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[Random]

heard on the grape vine these two companies are bringing out a outta the box racing version of there origionl setups.....

they comming into the country this year or next?
would they be worth getting?
(as i heard the KTM has a different engine)

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I know Can-Am are, because I've had a test ride.
Wait till you see just how race ready they are.
There is absolutely nothing to change, just buy and race.

Hopefully we see them in time for X-mas... don't know.
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[gammie89]

whats the retail for the both of them?
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i think there going to be a bit more, comes with a free dvd .

[The Two Stroke Smoker]

its not that dear is it Quad.............
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[feralkid]

quad wrote:

i think there going to be a bit more, comes with a free dvd .

Not again.
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[noyes58]

gammie89 wrote:

whats the retail for the both of them?

The KTM 450 sx retails for around $17,000
The can-am mx is around $15,000

[Dickie]

i went in an priced the KTM 450 sx just the other day, it was $17,000 +, and that didnt even come with nerf bars and a few other fiddly things..... i would much rather the can-am, which comes with nerf bars, and has an alloy frame, and costs a good $2k less.

its good that these companies are bringing out these out of the box race ready machines, but its still no different than buying a stock bike for $12 and putting $5k of suspension and A-arms on it. unfortunatley quads are expensive, and even if you are really passionate about the sport, unless you have the money to get on a race ready 450, you are starting from way behind.

[47industries]

Where did you get that Can-am retail price from?
Mick@47
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[Dickie]

i got 15000 from out local brp distributor

[bigjon]

47industries wrote:

Where did you get that Can-am retail price from?

What's the retail price?

[Hooner]

Here's a link to some pics of the ktm. I've put one on my christmas list. Will i be granted my wish??

[Hooner]

http://www.atvpod.com.au/

Here it is

[bullet]

Dickie wrote:

i got 15000 from out local brp distributor

I just asked the Big Boss, and he said the price is not set yet for the Australian market...
so anything anyone has heard is a guess (doesn't mean it's wrong either).
I asked him "what is the price going to be" but he is not giving away any secrets.
He excitedly said I might be presently surprised though.

No answers but maybe good news hey?
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[Dickie]

i hope so, because i am very interested in getting a DS 450 x mx.

i think my local distributor may have got mixed up with the 08 ds 450 x, but there really couldnt be too much difference in price.

[Random]

i will have to see and ride the KTM and CANam's first
but having 3 canam dealers in Townsville
and only one half ktm shop i think it'll be an easy choice!

I think i wanna like the KTM's more but dont;(

[PeteW]

I have it from a reliable source that the DS450X MX (the out of the box ready to race one) will be in between $12 and $13K which will be great value for a ready to race quad.....
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[Linc]

With the KTM, Can-Am, Yamaha, PoPo and Suzuki all MX ready I can't see the manufacturers hikeing up the price as they just wont sell them. Actually I see the one with the best price selling the most; feature wise there is not much between them all.

Competitionis a good thing.........Yay.

Linc

[ATV PRO]

IMHO I think its great that Quads going down this road to race ready Quads ,however I believe they are race ready only to a point ,pros will actually need more to keep up with a purpose built racer .
Just a few things to consider ...
1) No long travel suspension
2) No ZPS
3) Suspension set to limited weight range ,if you are over or under you will need to spend money to make spring and internal changes to get them optimum and even then you will be disadvantaged with limited travel and poor progression.
3) KTM rear swingarm has no link and once goes over center gets soft and lacks progression and is around two inches less travel than a Honda with PEP and JB Swing arm with Superlink that has great progression and bottoming resistance capabilities ,I can run at between 6-10" of frame height by adjusting Ride height with ZPS PEP,on the KTM you are limited to Heights with tyres and frame is around 8 to 10" on a KTM .
Most MX Racers run between 7-8 inches for best cornering and IMHO races are won in corners.
I believe you you are not getting a properly set up racer to suit disciplines,ability and weights .
What about the cost of service,parts ,parts availability ,all of life costs ?
I haven't done any sums but it may be worth looking into .
As they get old they will need serious maintenance and this will effect resale value as a prospective buyer of a used machine .
Please don't get me wrong they are two great quads and If you own one for all round riding and racing ,nice choice .
If you are a supported rider on one even better as you will be privileged to the extras you will need to race one at its most competitive.
For Now Ill keep the Honda set up just the way I like it and for not too much more money .

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[Roycroft]

Hi Len you say that for not much more than a 09 KTM, Yamaha or Can Am you can setup your honda for the not much more money.
try this

$13,000 approx new trx 450 09
nerf bars $300+
kill switch $30+
beadlocks rear and MX tyres $1500+
Axle $700+
A-arms and shocks all round $4500+
Braided brake lines $100 +

theres $8000 to the normal rider already just to make a TRX 450 honda equivelent to a Can Am, Yamie, or KTM.
and thats not even getting into the little things like bumpers, steering stems, heel guards, handle bars etc etc.

also remember len that there are only a few pros in australia. nearly 100 of ATV buyers are not pros, and even if pros bought bikes they don't normally pay the full RRP.
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Last edited by Roycroft on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:15 am; edited 1 time in total

[bullet]

I gotta agree with Roycroft there, and at the moment he's probably ridden the DS450X MX more that anyone else in Australia.
The MX is absolutely race ready.
Sure if you are one of the dozen or so top Pro's in the country, you might have a suspension expert specifically set up and tune your shocks for you... But you would not have to replace anything.
I've been thinking that for me to race this bike in Production would almost be cheating, it is a 'Pro bike' with a standard engine (and a good one at that)
If you are in Clubman or Womens etc this bike will be an out of the box competative racer for around $12,000.
The engine is unchanged from the old X model.
I raced the same completely stock motor against a field of 15 Vets at the Vic states and won the championship (some of them were on $25,000+ bikes).
If you wan't to spend probably less than a grand on top of your $12000... I know quadsquad could fully set up the suspension and is getting great engine performance just by adding a high comp piston.
Then you're ready to start chasing those top 12 Pro riders around
That is scarey value for your race dollar.
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[OZ_450]

micks pro bike has not got stock can am front shocks on it either from what i remember seeing bullet

mick maybe have to replace a arm but not shocks on the trx

lets see how many can am riders in pro ride their stock form next year hey ???????? i think smitty will keep his fox floats on his haha
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[bullet]

Yeah, Agreed OZ. But remember a lot of the Pro riders have other sponsors, and obligations to run different equipment.
Many pro riders will swap out the standard shocks without even trying them.
Just maybe though... some of the new generation quads coming through might have better shocks than many aftermarket brands for 09.
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[OZ_450]

well i know one 07 ltr 450 will be prob on stockers in expert next season lol maybe it will end up with a stadium kit fitted if the minister of war and finances (Tania) approves a grant for it lol
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[Huskygoat]

Now you CAN AM BOYS have bought this on your self, because what len said is true. you really do piss everybody off trying to make sugar out of sh!t. what has the Can am won this year Kamfari Thumb pump Vic series Oh I forgot FINKE!!! congrats Smithy but for the Quad tell the truth and what was changed on it and don't forget the Honda bits . Len is spot on in what says at his level . You guys are dills everybody knows you get paid to say what you say except smithy he's not on here every two seconds how good Can am are. earn respect, tell the truth I think everybody would like hear it ...

I await your response


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