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[yogie]

The vqtra is born.

We are an association that hopefully will bring together all like minded riders of ATV's, and bring idea's and plans to get what we deserve, and that is rec rego.


Firstly we are not a club, the qrcv has that down pat and one of the best run in aust.

we do not organise trail rides, but I you and other all ready do that, through our own networks, so keep on doing what your doing in that regard.

we are an association which primarly wants to create a DATA BASE of infomation that will be used to pressues those in Victoria that refuse us REC REG, I know there are two types of reg that quads are currently using, I am one of them. And that looks like it might be the only alternative to get legal reg, and it is currently being tested by two atv manufacters based Victoria, but more on that later when I am alowed to.

BUT the VQTRA ultimate goal is to get the same type of rec reg that two wheelers get. the qrcv has been to hell and back trying to acheive rec reg for quads and they have done have layed great foundations for us hopefully get a step closer or even acheive it... But we want with your help to try a different aproach to getting us and our sport firstly reconised and finally rewarded with reg reg.

we want recognition and licencing and training for all ATV riders in Victoria, we want to work side by side with Vicroads and the dse in regards to acheiving saftey and envoirmental sustainabilty in Victoria.

It cost nothing to join. it is open to all ATV riders in Victoria and Aust for that matter who want to ride in the bush and get outdoors on our ATV's

IT WILL BE A DATA BASE, for eg when we target a minister and we need a our members to be heard, we can use that at the time with out starting another thread here or else where.

we will let all members know when we are going use that info before we do so FOR e.g we are going to target a sitting member in a cetain area, and you dont want to be involded for party reasons, we will drop your name, simpe as that, there will be a newsletter, mainly do with nothing (sic) but if there some thing to put out there we will do it.

There is a forum set up BUT, its important that we all make this site our number one atv forum that we continue to frequent and support.

We only want infomatiion that YOU ARE PREPARED TO GIVE. So if you only want to give us your user name, and email thats fine, any more info will be NOT SOLD OR PASSED ON TO ANY OTHER GROUP EVER. THIS IS NON NEGOTIABLE.

At the moment all we can do is build a demographic of who rides them, wether doctors lawers, builders and even bakers, so that we can show the powers to be that we are just normal men and woman with familys, mortages and jobs, but we like to do what the trail bike riders do, but on a ATV...

So email to vqtra@hotmail.com using your user name here and we'll send you a application form, which can be done on the pc or a hard copied and posted in.

Any questions please ask

Priesty
Big Jb TRX450
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buzzbro
and myself

*disclaimer* I will not be doing any moderation on this subject or thread because it will be a conflict of interest, so any issues please contact any other moderator
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[yogie]

the forum link

http://vqtra.s4.bizhat.com/index.php?mforum=vqtra
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[Hamo]

Why don't we get every atv rider together and organize a legal protest ride from Ballarat to Victorian Parliament house and be armed with statistics on how atvs are better on the environment than other vehicles. As the safety concerns have already been resolved by the coroners inquests, as doing things in a quiet polite way does not seem to be getting us anywhere. I think we should have a meeting with all atv riders, both race, trail and enduro (anyone who owns a atv) as I have spoken to Vic roads and they are not interested in atv. If you decide to then I'm in.

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[Big Jb TRX450]

i read a few threads on here & im wondering if as a united group we should stop referring to ATV's as "quads". im only bring this up because its not actually the proper terminology for an ATV (more just a nickname or slang). It could help to sort any confusion with the rds authorities & other govening bodys
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[priesty]

Big Jb TRX450 wrote:

i read a few threads on here & im wondering if as a united group we should stop referring to ATV's as "quads". im only bring this up because its not actually the proper terminology for an ATV (more just a nickname or slang). It could help to sort any confusion with the rds authorities & other govening bodys

You know JB, I've been thinkin the same thing for ages, (that's scary in itself) But with all the new UTVs (side by sides) that are coming out now maybe we'd be better off hitched to thier wagon, although they currently can't get rec reg either. Definitely some food for thought there.
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[yogie]

priesty wrote:

Big Jb TRX450 wrote: i read a few threads on here & im wondering if as a united group we should stop referring to ATV's as "quads". im only bring this up because its not actually the proper terminology for an ATV (more just a nickname or slang). It could help to sort any confusion with the rds authorities & other govening bodys You know JB, I've been thinkin the same thing for ages, (that's scary in itself) But with all the new UTVs (side by sides) that are coming out now maybe we'd be better off hitched to thier wagon, although they currently can't get rec reg either. Definitely some food for thought there.

I'll tell you whats scary... you two.
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Shorty Shifter
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honda thumb
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durablue stickers

[gazman]

I wish you guys good luck.When i started racing a trike in Vic in 1984 i remember the runaround the guys got from the controlling bodies about getting a race licence for a quad. "its got 4 wheels,go to Cams. Its got handlebars,not a steering wheel,go to M.A. !! If you can get enough members ,500 + ,(not gonna happen)and can access the Right people
in the right places,you might have a chance.Apathy by members will be your biggest problem.I just got a letter from a QLD pollie telling me he had 30 respones from all of QLD quad riders,asking us what we would like in a ride park!!It would be good for the major sellers of quads(meaning the most profits) to help out,but that never happens .Why sell them when you can't really ride them anywhere?Somewhere to ride legally must mean more sales? I guess if you push for rego WITH some form of insurance to protect the anyone involved in an accident, this may help. Anyway, good luck and hang in there.I will help anyway i can.
gazman.

[Dino]

gazman wrote:

.I just got a letter from a QLD pollie telling me he had 30 respones from all of QLD quad riders,asking us what we would like in a ride park! gazman.

So your the other one....I just got 29 replies!
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[gazman]

Yeah Dino,over 2500 members on this forum(i saw your poll) and only 30 give a darn!
gazman

[priesty]

gazman wrote:

Yeah Dino,over 2500 members on this forum(i saw your poll) and only 30 give a darn! gazman

Yeah but wasn't that poll for Qld riders only?
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[Dino]

priesty wrote:

gazman wrote: Yeah Dino,over 2500 members on this forum(i saw your poll) and only 30 give a darn! gazman Yeah but wasn't that poll for Qld riders only?

No, the poll was nation wide for 4wd Quads. Total responses was 29.

We've got some vocal trail riders in South East Queensland, and some people in power who might be considered as mis-informad, if they get caught out.
Regarding what Gazman was referring to, I have been verbally advised that the real number of submissions was 427.
So how do you know when a politician is lying.............???????
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[gazman]

when his lips are moving........

[IRS 525]

gazman wrote:

when his lips are moving........

Make sure you get it in writing.
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[Clarkie]

or his names Kevin Taxem Rudd
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[Dino]

Clarkie wrote:

or his names Kevin Taxem Rudd

146% increase on my shooting licenses! Could be Anna Lie.
38% increase on tobacco. That could be the Dudd.
8% increase on the rates. That could be the counciller who welcomed me to the shire. I've only been here 15 years more than him........
Between the Fuel companies, Telco's, Coles and Woolies, I reckon my hourly rates gotta go up about 400%.

Cheech Marin was right. "Things are tough all over!"

Sorry to see your thread hijacked Yogie. But you guys are on the right paper trail,,,,,,,,,
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[Big Jb TRX450]

i would rather pay fee's/tax for reg than pay fines, when i see 2wheelers who dont have rec reg or road reg it pis*es me off because @ least they have the option to be able to get the rego
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

priesty wrote:

Big Jb TRX450 wrote: i read a few threads on here & im wondering if as a united group we should stop referring to ATV's as "quads". im only bring this up because its not actually the proper terminology for an ATV (more just a nickname or slang). It could help to sort any confusion with the rds authorities & other govening bodys You know JB, I've been thinkin the same thing for ages, (that's scary in itself) But with all the new UTVs (side by sides) that are coming out now maybe we'd be better off hitched to thier wagon, although they currently can't get rec reg either. Definitely some food for thought there.

I thought the correct terminology for the vehicle was Quadcycle, instead of bicycle or Motocycle. ATV's reffers to a whole group of vehicles with any number of wheels and configurations.

Just my humble opinion after reading around numerous article boards and posts over the years.
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Hamo wrote:

Why don't we get every atv rider together and organize a legal protest ride from Ballarat to Victorian Parliament house and be armed with statistics on how atvs are better on the environment than other vehicles. As the safety concerns have already been resolved by the coroners inquests, as doing things in a quiet polite way does not seem to be getting us anywhere. I think we should have a meeting with all atv riders, both race, trail and enduro (anyone who owns a atv) as I have spoken to Vic roads and they are not interested in atv. If you decide to then I'm in.

I had suggested before we do a quiet protest/information day in the city. I would like to think we could organise with the Police to Rally at the top of Swanston "walk at 11.00, ride to the corner of Swanston and Burke at 12.00 and park on all four corner's so as not to restrict traffic and hand out pamphlets about how the fun police are taking away people rights to do everything and were trying to take them back. Then at 2.00pm after lunch break ride to Parliament house to stage a 1 hour set-of speaches.

Now they dont let just anyone do this sort of thing. And polical parties get to though. So we should get the backing oif a political party. I have several interests including shopoting that are being infringed by the givernment and they have a few more members and there is a state political party been formed to try and win seats back off the greens to win the ba;lance of power struggle in governments at both State and Federal level. The party here is called Country Alliance, llok up their website. We should throw our lot in with them and organise a protest march under the auspices of Politcal rally. Apart from rallying we are also advertising our sport on the news and to the general public in the biggest forum we can muster.

So I suggest the alliance contact them and throw their weight behind the cause of multiple things the "fun police" - politicians are trying to take away from us.

The point being that the law is there to stopo criminals and punish them, the moment the the law changes from a reflection on the behavior of the individual to the moderation of the behaviour of all it becomes totalinarianism and not demorcracy, which in its pure form all people are FREE not regulated.

We should also concentrate on the fact that these vehicles are able to be registered in specific istances but are not given ANY rights whatso-ever i other instances. That we arent happy about it and we have a politcal party that we are going to vote 1 on our ballot and that we want a major political party to give their preferences to US not the GREENS and that any party supporting the greens will be voted LAST on our State election cards later in the year.

The country alliance tries to draw the shooeters, off road users from 4wds to bikes, fishers and farming community lost by the Nationals demise.

The shooters and fishers party has been an upgrade from the shooters party atr the last political election but does not include us as an interest group I think, but if anyoine has a better suggestion for a political party for us to throw weight behind Im more than happy for that to be put forward, I'm just suggesting that we should take to the streets and I THINK thats how we can achieve it.
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[PeteW]

its the word ATV (not even really a word is it) that is missleading as it would suggest that quads are an All Terrain Vehicle, which in the hands of most consumers clearly they are not other wise we would not have had a coroners enquiry that has slowed this whole process down....

good luck and go to it I say fellas
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[yogie]

PeteW wrote:

its the word ATV (not even really a word is it) that is missleading as it would suggest that quads are an All Terrain Vehicle, which in the hands of most consumers clearly they are not other wise we would not have had a coroners enquiry that has slowed this whole process down.... good luck and go to it I say fellas

We thought long and hard about using ATV or quad, and in the end it comes down to what I see and what you see are the same but through different eyes if that makes sense, the assoc name states quad but we use atv through the litriture so its horses for courses I suppose.
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honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[kfxluke]

yogie wrote:

PeteW wrote: its the word ATV (not even really a word is it) that is missleading as it would suggest that quads are an All Terrain Vehicle, which in the hands of most consumers clearly they are not other wise we would not have had a coroners enquiry that has slowed this whole process down.... good luck and go to it I say fellas We thought long and hard about using ATV or quad, and in the end it comes down to what I see and what you see are the same but through different eyes if that makes sense, the assoc name states quad but we use atv through the litriture so its horses for courses I suppose.

Heres a good example:
when you're at the pub with your mates and you say i have to go home to my b*#tch but for all official reasons the correct terminology is actually "wife".
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

For all other states that dont know, it was brought to my attention last night in a discussion with the president of the Croos Country Drivers Association that Victoria is proposing a bill that would see ALL off-road racing confined to TRACKS ONLY, that would include organised club rides.

CAMS and MRA are fidhting this bill being tabled at all let alone passed. I dont know what is known about this by the group leaders here, but its probably well worth checking with MRA.

People may scoff and say it wont happen, but are not immune to bleeding heart liberal kid glove wearing, cotton wool handling minorities in the government that want to ban us from everything from defending yourself in your own home even to things like we cant race our vehicles in area's investigated and approved by professional racing organisations. Apparently they know better than the general populace and they aren't afraid to treat us like it.

I hope its not a real situation but that it is even being proposed as a bill is a sad indictment on the fun police we call government that just want to invade the rights of the individual by introducing blanket changes a totalitarian law rather than curbing criminals with longer and stronger penalities.

If I or anyone finds out anything to the effect I hope they will post it.
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[yogie]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

For all other states that dont know, it was brought to my attention last night in a discussion with the president of the Croos Country Drivers Association that Victoria is proposing a bill that would see ALL off-road racing confined to TRACKS ONLY, that would include organised club rides. CAMS and MRA are fidhting this bill being tabled at all let alone passed. I dont know what is known about this by the group leaders here, but its probably well worth checking with MRA. People may scoff and say it wont happen, but are not immune to bleeding heart liberal kid glove wearing, cotton wool handling minorities in the government that want to ban us from everything from defending yourself in your own home even to things like we cant race our vehicles in area's investigated and approved by professional racing organisations. Apparently they know better than the general populace and they aren't afraid to treat us like it. I hope its not a real situation but that it is even being proposed as a bill is a sad indictment on the fun police we call government that just want to invade the rights of the individual by introducing blanket changes a totalitarian law rather than curbing criminals with longer and stronger penalities. If I or anyone finds out anything to the effect I hope they will post it.

howdy g-man, hows thing s???

I have been following this thread at dbw, dont know if this what your talking about, have a look anyway.

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71854


and lets not forget the Brumby state govt has done its preference deals WITH THE GREENS ALREADY for the october state election, so whee you live make sure your local member lets you know what he/she is planning to do in regards to closing down

YOUR LOCAL TRACKS, OR PLANNING CHANGES TO HOW PRIVATE LAND CAN BE USED FOR EG 4X4 EVENTS...
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elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

yogie wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: For all other states that dont know, it was brought to my attention last night in a discussion with the president of the Croos Country Drivers Association that Victoria is proposing a bill that would see ALL off-road racing confined to TRACKS ONLY, that would include organised club rides. CAMS and MRA are fidhting this bill being tabled at all let alone passed. I dont know what is known about this by the group leaders here, but its probably well worth checking with MRA. People may scoff and say it wont happen, but are not immune to bleeding heart liberal kid glove wearing, cotton wool handling minorities in the government that want to ban us from everything from defending yourself in your own home even to things like we cant race our vehicles in area's investigated and approved by professional racing organisations. Apparently they know better than the general populace and they aren't afraid to treat us like it. I hope its not a real situation but that it is even being proposed as a bill is a sad indictment on the fun police we call government that just want to invade the rights of the individual by introducing blanket changes a totalitarian law rather than curbing criminals with longer and stronger penalities. If I or anyone finds out anything to the effect I hope they will post it. howdy g-man, hows thing s??? I have been following this thread at dbw, dont know if this what your talking about, have a look anyway. http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71854 and lets not forget the Brumby state govt has done its preference deals WITH THE GREENS ALREADY for the october state election, so whee you live make sure your local member lets you know what he/she is planning to do in regards to closing down YOUR LOCAL TRACKS, OR PLANNING CHANGES TO HOW PRIVATE LAND CAN BE USED FOR EG 4X4 EVENTS...

Gday Yogie good and you?

This it as far it was explained to me, especially the cancellation of a permit to race and as it was told to me MRA and CAMS SOLICITORS called an emergency meeting with the State govt "who-ever" to get at each other last nite. So it seems there is more posted there than on the CCDA home site and its CCDA members posting!

I heard it direct froim the CCDA pres when I was asking about the future of the SXS racing with CCDA.

Seems you have the ball(s? ) in hand!
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

With the upcoming Vic election shouldn't somebody organisation wise but together a how to vote card?

We really are on the edge of the precipice here after the federal election and Greens getting Federal seats in Vic you can bet they will be expecting extra seats come State election.

Since simply canot be allowed to occur if we want to overturn current legistlation banning racing on farmland even if there is precedent or not and even if there is a track or not.

That and loose other rights as well let alone be allowed to move forward with someas incidious as Rec Rego.

Have absolutely no doubt that extra greens seats and first preferances are a direct threat to quadding, ATV's, SXS's and everyother thing you do for fun, like 4wding, Camping (where), shooting and fishing iof they are your bag, 4wd upgrading and even 4wd ownership and use are under fire from the greens let alone introducing wonderful things up the street from you like injecting rooms.

Be educated, investigate what the greens are actually on about and why you possibly dont want them to have more influence. Investigate who is actually going to support the views of ATV riders and their tow vehicles. Know that a primary vote for either Labor or Liberal means they have a safe vote and only have to jump into bed with the majority other party to get in power and both will sign up with the greens as quick they can behind your back.

So make your primary vite count. Dont vote above the line so that you have the opportunity to vote anyone opposing ATV's last and give your primary vote not to Labour or liberals who will form government anyway but to people who are going to support us so that the government has to come to them for support to form government and make policy etc.

The federal election shopwed us sevral things. One that the whole country is on a pin point about who should have power. Two the greens have abourgeoning support and Victoria is quickly becoming THEIR heartland.

I hand it to the Vic committee to get organised and get lobbying and find out who actually supports our sport and is to be voted for and produce a how to vote card.
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