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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Either to race or to sponsor your use of your vehicle on a recreational basis we need to be a group if for one reason and one reason alone, that numbers are power and power counts.

Whatever you want to do, recreational or racing a group supporting your wanting to undertake that activity if you come up against a roadblock you have a powerbase to turn to.

So I would like to form a steering commitee for a couple of months just to thrash out what an Australian Association should be in charge of and then take nominations and put people in office.

Places where an association can have impact, possible examples:

Providing technical expertise on matters reffered by other bodies , Local councils, private event organisers, CAMS, MA

Negotiating insurance cover for standard and modified vehicles with an underwriter.

Seeking information from other user groups, eg from the States on ride parks, tracks, competitions, etc

Sitting on the council of Australian Manufacturers Representatives group??

Im sure other people with much more experience have many good and better idea's.


Ive thrown my experience, in the ring, Im good at pulling the concept together and getting it afloat and I will keep pushing for it because as I have said elsewhere every successful sport in the country has a governing organisation. We should use that experience and follow the same path.

Whatever decisions are made from there so be it.

I hope to have everyones support in this or hear valid arguements against having it. I hope to have this running in the next 3 months max so that we have a couple of months to do any negotiation for next years events.

Please indicate your willingness to participate and no one is discriminated against in taking part but neither will we be deterred from the cause and the "openess" of our approach We'll have to meet somewhere and soon so travell's going to be in it and hopefully it can be to a place where we can let the buggies run free.

Phil you seem to have grounds in the right spot if I can be so bold as to put you on the spot with maybe a date and land access and hopefully the people who are geneuinely interested in an organisation will get off their proverbials to be part of it. If Phil sets a date if we can EOI's by 2 weeks prior.

Regards and fun to all, especially those about to run the Cape next month I believe theres a couple of SXS Machines on that. Very jealous.

Gavin
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

I think Phil is away til the end of this week in terms of potentially setting a date, hopefully while we still have the chance of some wet track up around Tamworth area.

I also hear a whisper there may be a Polaris sponsored recreational owners event in the area for those not interested in competition but interested in getting together, more later if details pan out.

Cheers SXS Riders!!
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Im going to bump this back to the top because with the release of the Can Am unless you want a race of one brand again we need this association and we need the rules and regs.

We do nothing and we'll have nothing. Its that simple
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[jackass/450]

Soooooooo .............. is there any more news about this or has it died in the water? I have got the impression that unless you have a polaris then it just so happens that the rules don't suit you - this is only my opinion

Cheers
Chris

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Well Chris the only news is that no one has expressed any interest in forming an Australian association for any reason.

I have stated I have a fiscal interest in this so while I am absolutely happy to help and encourage this organisation being set-up I cant be seen to be running it by either the manufacturers or users of the machines as any decision that doesnt favour a particular brand and Im labelled as biased.

I still say that if we as users dont have this we are going to take it in the pooch all the way to the bank, we wont have anything and we sure as hell wont get it our way.

The rules of the CCDA racing havent been released yet and are under discussion as to how to make the participation of all vehicles available, with the requirements of their safety structure, which in reality none yet meet, so there is work to be done aboiut what the rules will be.

But you cant expect the rules not to suit the Polaris as much as possible when they have been there doing the work and other manufacturers have been approached with one "no" and one "no response!". Can Am have just launched and will be several months I would think before we see one in the country. Also with that launch I believe whole heartedly that there is no way in high heaven we wont see a Polaris engine upgrade and more from them.

So the rules will either be set now and made for all eventualities or just set for what the market has for sale right now.

We certainly cant "blame" Polaris for being the only ones to dip their toe in and get us any eventing at all. So all power to them, they are the ones supporting our dream.

This as you say though - dead in the water - unless some users get interested in being empowered about the way they want the sport run and who's doing what with it and actually start saying lets form up this association. Until then its dead.

People need this, because there are numerous organisations that are interested in having them and unless you tell them what you have they'll be telling you what they want you to be and you may get painted into a corner with a built machine that cannot compete elsewhere.

Cheers

Gavin
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Despite the lack of replies it seems some work is going ahead anyway to define classes for competition and its going to be done by the only manufacturer having any involvement in activities so far since there isnt an organisation there to represent the riders.

It would be a gross understatement to say it would be a disappointment if we didnt get some representation as a group in the development of our sport and recereation.

For all other states that dont know, Victoria is proposing a bill that would see ALL off-road racing confined to TRACKS ONLY.

CAMS and MRA are fidhting this bill being tabled at all let alone passed but we dont even have representation by either of those two groups. All because we dont have a bed to sleep in we are currently outside the base and not even being looked after.

People may scoff and say it wont happen, but I bet you Tas will go directly after if Vic get this up. And other states wont be immune to bleeding heart liberal kid glove wearing, cotton wool handling minorities in the government that want to ban us from everything from defending yourself in your own home even to things like we cant race our vehicles in area's investigated and approved by professional racing organisations. Apparently they know better than the general populace and they aren't afraid to treat us like it.

Its always been my view that doing nothing is as bad as doing the wrong thing as it will be taken away without asking, so we need a professional organisation to support our rights.

Now to try and find out the outcome of the meeting of the MRA and CAMS solicitors and the idiocy we call government.
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[yogie]

howdy g-man, hows thing s???

I have been following this thread at dbw, dont know if this what your talking about, have a look anyway.

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71854


and lets not forget the Brumby state govt has done its preference deals WITH THE GREENS ALREADY for the october state election, so where you live make sure your local member lets you know what he/she is planning to do in regards to closing down

YOUR LOCAL TRACKS, OR PLANNING CHANGES TO HOW PRIVATE LAND CAN BE USED FOR EG 4X4 EVENTS...
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[jackass/450]

First time i have heard of this ....... this can not be allowed to get accepted, what a load of poo poo.
Why the hell do we even bother purchasing FREE HOLD land. I seriously think that people living in the city who clearly have no idea shouldn't be able to dictate what someone else can do with their own peice of Australia.
Poo Poo - its alright for them to sit in traffic for hours on end just so they can go and buy a packet of smokes.

This is POO POO.
Rant over

[yogie]

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72084

its going to happen... unless we stop it TOGETHER Why arnt we demanding answers from our pollies (I've asked and waiting an answer)
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rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
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durablue stickers

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

yogie wrote:

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72084 its going to happen... unless we stop it TOGETHER Why arnt we demanding answers from our pollies (I've asked and waiting an answer)

This HAS happened to the 4wds in which the SXS's were competing, all events rest of year concalled, while lawyers fight in out. Orgainsation like QRCV are going to be highly affected as any track not a rave track but considered to be on farmland wil be canned.

Best get all efforst going in one direction. See thread.

http://forum.mudrhino.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=11043&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

It is a dark feken day in Victoria and other states should be similarly worried.

Definately a good time to think about jumping ship and taking an early sea/tree/change to Qld or such.

Who-ever is representing who and such like had better jump at this.
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[jackass/450]

Hey Gavin,

Thought I would post here instead of clogging up other old mates thread.
Not sure about the total width once the kit has been installed -
Greg from Lonestar racing said this kit will give me the most wheel travel in the business and he gave me a smokin deal on it has both of my other quads have a heap of lonestar gear on them - he likes the repaeat business and the dollar is still good




So ...... sounds like there are still roads being paved to form some sort of Australian sxs utv association?????? This can only be a good thing but there needs to be more then a handful of people doing the work or coming up with ideas. I applaud polaris for getting behind the sport and it is a pitty that other manufacturers aren't / won't get behind this sport.
Again, if there is anything I can help with please let me know - I can only see positives for this sport.

Cheers
Chris

[yogie]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

This HAS happened to the 4wds in which the SXS's were competing, all events rest of year concalled, while lawyers fight in out. Orgainsation like QRCV are going to be highly affected as any track not a rave track but considered to be on farmland wil be canned. Best get all efforst going in one direction. See thread. http://forum.mudrhino.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=11043&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90 It is a dark feken day in Victoria and other states should be similarly worried. Definately a good time to think about jumping ship and taking an early sea/tree/change to Qld or such. Who-ever is representing who and such like had better jump at this.

I said it before and will repeat this again and again, Brumby needs green preferences and the greens get their support from local govt green mayors and other wanna be pollies who want this this events stopped, and it just filters up the line till it becomes law... bloody landcare groups
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

yogie wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: This HAS happened to the 4wds in which the SXS's were competing, all events rest of year concalled, while lawyers fight in out. Orgainsation like QRCV are going to be highly affected as any track not a rave track but considered to be on farmland wil be canned. Best get all efforst going in one direction. See thread. http://forum.mudrhino.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=11043&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90 It is a dark feken day in Victoria and other states should be similarly worried. Definately a good time to think about jumping ship and taking an early sea/tree/change to Qld or such. Who-ever is representing who and such like had better jump at this. I said it before and will repeat this again and again, Brumby needs green preferences and the greens get their support from local govt green mayors and other wanna be pollies who want this this events stopped, and it just filters up the line till it becomes law... bloody landcare groups

Well I'll do what I can about that Yogie, I have joined a political party called the Country Alliance www.countryalliance.org who look to represent the needs of anyone who uses "the land" from 4wds Rec biking and now with me ATV's all types, shooters, and most especially farmers and regional communities. I have nominated for candidacy just so even if I dont win I can take votes from the Greens.

So I may not be able to start the Oz organisation but I can stand in Parliament if I get that far and block or suppport the right legistlation. Be aware of who you vote for not only as a first preferance but check where their preferences are allocated, yu may be suprised to know that the two party system both have to pander to the Greens until we take anough power away from them by allocating first preference votes not to Labor or liberals (who will win anyway) but to groups like country alliance to offset the number of first preference votes handed to the greens just like in the National elections jus held.

Be careful where you vote!!
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[yogie]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

Well I'll do what I can about that Yogie, I have joined a political party called the Country Alliance www.countryalliance.org who look to represent the needs of anyone who uses "the land" from 4wds Rec biking and now with me ATV's all types, shooters, and most especially farmers and regional communities. I have nominated for candidacy just so even if I dont win I can take votes from the Greens. So I may not be able to start the Oz organisation but I can stand in Parliament if I get that far and block or suppport the right legistlation. Be aware of who you vote for not only as a first preferance but check where their preferences are allocated, yu may be suprised to know that the two party system both have to pander to the Greens until we take anough power away from them by allocating first preference votes not to Labor or liberals (who will win anyway) but to groups like country alliance to offset the number of first preference votes handed to the greens just like in the National elections jus held. Be careful where you vote!!

well done Gman and good luck, I'll be in contact with and get hold of their full policy and the preference system myself.
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rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[Dino]

What Yogie said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good on yer!
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