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[Dazz]

thought you guys might find this interesting i found it on another forum


Dated, Aug 20 2009, 09:03 AM
Here are the results of the latest S.A.E testing for motorcycle oils. I only copied some of the areas that I understood, and the overall results from all the testing. You can read, you can decide. If the members feel that this is a helpful post, then maybe the mods will pin it.


Brand Viscosity Grade Base Batch Number
AMSOIL MCF 10W-40 Synthetic LB 22259
Bel-Ray EXS 0W-40 Synthetic AF1212
Castrol GPS 10W-40 Synthetic 3011020
Golden Spectro 4 10W-40 Syn/Petro Blend 13264
Lucas High Performance Motorcycle 10W-40 Syn/Petro Blend None indicated on containers
Maxima Maxum 4 10W-40 Syn/Petro Blend 16104
Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 Synthetic X2904
Motul 300V Sport 10W-40 Synthetic 20507/A/69093
Pennzoil Motorcycle 10W-40 Petroleum HPLA192024/12143
Royal Purple Max-Cycle 10W-40 Synthetic F02402
Torco T-4SR 10W-40 Synthetic 62395
Valvoline 4-Stroke 10W-40 Petroleum H104C2

Brand Viscosity Grade Base Batch Number
AMSOIL MCV 20W-50 Synthetic LB 22355
Bel-Ray EXS 10W-50 Synthetic AF1319
BMW 15W-50 Synthetic 13286
Castrol GPS 20W-50 Syn/Petro Blend 3006260
Castrol V-Twin 20W-50 Syn/Petro Blend 4103005
Golden Spectro 4 20W-50 Syn/Petro Blend 13036
Golden Spectro American 4 20W-50 Syn/Petro Blend 11838
Lucas High Performance Motorcycle 20W-50 Synthetic None indicated on containers
Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 Synthetic X22H4
Motul 300V Competition 15W-50 Synthetic 20407/A/69015
Pennzoil Motorcycle 20W-50 Petroleum None indicated on containers
Royal Purple Max-Cycle 20W-50 Synthetic H11402
Screamin Eagle Syn3 20W-50 Synthetic 0461301314
Torco T-4SR 20W-50 Synthetic L 58418 LORJB CR
Valvoline 4-Stroke 20W-50 Petroleum F294C1
Yamalube 4-R 10W-50 Syn/Petro Blend 2 x 1494451, 2 x 99071
1235*1515
Actual Viscosity Tests
AMSOIL MCF 10W-40 14.14 Yes
Bel-Ray EXS 0W-40 15.06 Yes
Castrol GPS 10W-40 15.09 Yes
Golden Spectro 4 10W-40 15.91 Yes
Lucas High Performance Motorcycle 10W-40 11.11 No
Maxima Maxum 4 10W-40 14.39 12.5 to <16.3 Yes
Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 13.92 Yes
Motul 300V Sport 10W-40 14.01 Yes
Pennzoil Motorcycle 10W-40 13.0 Yes
Royal Purple Max-Cycle 10W-40 13.33 Yes
Torco T-4SR 10W-40 15.03 Yes
Valvoline 4-Stroke 10W-40 14.94 Yes
(Note, Lucas Oil did not pass the minimum specs for actual viscosity)

AMSOIL MCV 20W-50 20.04 Yes
Bel-Ray EXS 10W-50 17.09 Yes
BMW 15W-50 18.15 Yes
Castrol GPS 20W-50 19.52 Yes
Castrol V-Twin 20W-50 19.22 Yes
Golden Spectro 4 20W-50 20.24 Yes
Golden Spectro American 4 20W-50 19.61 Yes
Lucas High Performance Motorcycle 20W-50 18.54 16.3 to < 21.9 Yes
Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 20.9 Yes
Motul 300V Competition 15W-50 17.7 Yes
Pennzoil Motorcycle 20W-50 16.84 Yes
Royal Purple Max-Cycle 20W-50 19.79 Yes
Screamin Eagle Syn3 20W-50 20.3 Yes
Torco T-4SR 20W-50 19.5 Yes
Valvoline 4-Stroke 20W-50 18.14 Yes
Yamalube 4-R 10W-50 19.48 Yes

The results show that all of the oils tested except Lucas High Performance Motorcycle 10W-40 have initial viscosities consistent
with their indicated SAE viscosity grades. Those oils consistent with their indicated SAE viscosity grades are appropriate
for use in applications recommending these grades/viscosities

Ratings for Shear Stability from Best to Least (Rated on both 40W and 50W)
1. Amsoil
2. Bel-Ray
3. Golden Spectro 4
4. Mobil 1
5. Maxima
6. Castrol
7. Valvoline
8. Torco
9. Royal Purple
10. Lucas HP
4 Ball Wear Test Rating from Best to Least
1. Amsoil
2. Mobil 1
3. Motul
4. Torco
5. Maxima
6. Bel-Ray
7. Pennzoil
8. Lucas HP
9. Castrol\
10. Valvoline
11. Golden Spectro
12. Royal Purple
Gear Wear Rating from Best to Least
1. Amsoil
2. Bel-Ray
3. Maxima
4. Valvoline
5. Royal Purple
6. Lucas HP
7. Golden Spectro 4
8. Pennzoil Motorcycle
9. Castrol
10. Mobil 1
11. Motul
12. Torco
Oxidation Stability Rating from Best to Least
1. Amsoil
2. Mobil 1
3. Bel-Ray
4. Maxima
5. Torco
6. Royal Purple
7. Golden Spectro
8. Valvoline
9. Motul
10. Pennzoil
11. Lucas HP
12. Castrol
TBN and Cleanliness Results from Best to Least
1. Amsoil
2. Motul
3. Royal Purple
4. Torco
5. Golden Spectro
6. Mobil 1
7. Valvoline
8. Lucas HP
9. Pennzoil
10. Bel-Ray
11. Maxima
12. Castrol
Foaming Tendencies from Best to Least
1. Amsoil
2. Golden Spectro
3. Torco
4. Royal Purple
5. Lucas Motorcycle
6. Motul (Failed)
7. Castrol (Failed)
8. Maxima (Failed)
9. Valvoline (Failed)
10. Pennzoil (Failed)
11. Bel-Ray (Failed)
12. Mobil 1 (Failed)
Rust Protection Results from Best to Least
Amsoil, Mobil 1, Motul, Torco, Maxima and Lucas HP all tied and passed with 0 spots.
Royal Purple, Pennzoil, Golden Spectro, Valvoline, Bel-Ray and Castrol all failed with 21+ rust spots present.

The following areas were all evalutated:
Wear Protection (4-Ball ASTM D-4172)
High Temperature/High Shear Viscosity
(HT/HS ASTM D-5481)
Gear Performance
(FZG ASTM D-5182)
Oxidation Stability
(TFOUT ASTM D-4742)
Rust Protection
(Humidity Cabinet ASTM D-174
Foam Control (ASTM D-892)
Volatility (NOACK ASTM D-5800)
Viscosity Shear Stability (% Viscosity
Retention after 90 cycles, ASTM D-627
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270)
Acid Neutralization (TBN ASTM D-2896)
Zinc Levels (ppm ICP)
Pricing
The overall ranking of all oils tested in the aforementioned tests is as follows:
1. Amsoil
2. Mobil 1
3. BMW
4. Torco T 4SR
5. Golden Spectro 4
6. Screamin Eagle Syn3
7. Golden Spectro American 4
8. Royal Purple Max Cycle
9. Motul 300V
10. Bel-Ray EXS
11. Valvoline 4 Stroke
12. Lucas HP
13. Pennzoil Motorcycle
14. Yamalube 4-R
15. Castrol GPS
16. Castrol V-Twin
Sources:
JASO T 904-98
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 892-03
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 1748-00
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 2270-04
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 2896-03
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 4172-94 (Reapproved 2004)
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 4742-02a
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 5182-97 (Reapproved 2002)
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 5481-04
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 5800-00a
ASTM Test Methodology Designation: D 6278-02
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[dangerman4]

looks like the testing was sponsored by amsoil.

[Dazz]

im surprised at how poor motul is and how good mobil 1 is ....

[Fox]

I think I will change yo Mobil 1 for the Brute, dose anyone use Mobil 1
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[priesty]

Anyone know where I can buy Amsoil ?
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[cuzo]

Amsoil - Have never herd of it has anyone used it ?? Cost ?? were to get it from ??
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[Linc]

dangerman4 wrote:

looks like the testing was sponsored by amsoil.

IT WAS SPONSORED BY AMSOIL........seen this test before and the results, have also seen different tests with different results.

IMO stick to what you know.

[bigjon]

It's just good marketing from Amsoil.

I'm not changing from Bel-Ray & Yamalube because of this.

As long as you have a good quality oil that meets your manufacturers specifications and service it accordingly you will be fine.

Three things I look for in an oil.
1. Supply. I like to use the same oil in my vehicles. The reseller needs to carry this oil all the time. Readfords in Dubbo carry both Bel-Ray and Yamalube.
2. Price. I'm not cheap, but I'm not spending a fortune on oil.
3. Meets my vehicle manufacturers specs.
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[Dazz]

Bel-Ray does quite well too ...

[Vonammer]

Hi All

I have used motul and yamalube in the past, but just ordered some Amsoil, $76 for 3.7 litres.
Looking at most of the American ATV sites/forums, This oil does quite well, can only try it i suppose.

Vonammer
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[PeteW]

does look very much like marketing propaganda.... Iv'e seen a lot of supposed oil data, every brand has something like it, that is of course very favorable to the brand.....
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[bigjon]

Don't misunderstand me, it's probably a great oil. I just wouldn't change brands because of this specific test.

My grandad used K-mart then went to Wal-Mart brand oil in his trucks (pickup). He would get >200k miles before they shat themselves. The key is changing the oil regularly. These pickups weren't unbeatable Toyota's, they were North American made.
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[Dazz]

Vonammer wrote:

Hi All I have used motul and yamalube in the past, but just ordered some Amsoil, $76 for 3.7 litres. Looking at most of the American ATV sites/forums, This oil does quite well, can only try it i suppose. Vonammer

where did you get it from ?

[shan660]

i just have one question to ask in relation to oils. in the past i was into my high performance v8s , and noted alot about oil viscosity and and so on,
i dont know if you remember or not but when the gen 3 v8 came out there was a lot of problems with oil pressure and this was killing some motors with less than 50000 kms on them , i know this because my boss had 3 engines put in under warranty.
ok my point is these engines were designed and manufactured in the USA , which has different climate and conditions to us here in australia, so there for i feel we should only stick to what we know works in australian conditions.
this is also why the gen 3 motors packed it in over here, when you buy a gen 3 holden v8 you are told its only covered under warranty if you use mobil 1, and this is where the problem started.
my boss after his third engine checked his oil once again and realised it needed topping up. he had no mobil 1, all he had was plain old aussie 20 /50 oil. problem solved, no engine problems ever again, and the motor is still fine.
it might not be the case with this oil, but i would be wary

[gazman]

I am told the problem with the LS-1(apart from being a chevy) was the oil pick ups,faulty from the USA.

[shan660]

that me be the case as well , but once my boss found this out , as we deal with Hrt and other major players in holden aswell, they were very eager to find out for them selves, but this may be adifferent scenario for other people, but in his case it was all about oil pressure, he had none or was very low. when he put a thicker aussie oil in ,it gained oil pressure and never smoked when he started it up.

[muzzgit]

It shouldn't be a problem that we have different conditions than the USA. Personally, I don't believe we do.

We have regions that have snow in winter and we have regions that have constant high temperatures. The USA has the same, only they get colder when it's cold, but they also have areas that get just as hot as our hottest areas (like Cloncurry, or Marble Bar).

It's more the point that in North Amerca they are more up with changing oils to suit the climate as it changes throughout the year.

The chev engine in the crumbledoor is a problem child.
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[shan660]

yep im cool with that i was just making an observation from the understanding i had of this , and just remembering a few comments in the past from old petrol heads / mechanics , referring to usa engine oils to australian.
and you are right about the crumbledoors not a fan myself.

[shan660]

yep im cool with that i was just making an observation from the understanding i had of this , and just remembering a few comments in the past from old petrol heads / mechanics , referring to usa engine oils to australian.
and you are right about the crumbledoors not a fan myself.

[Vonammer]

Dazz wrote:

Vonammer wrote: Hi All I have used motul and yamalube in the past, but just ordered some Amsoil, $76 for 3.7 litres. Looking at most of the American ATV sites/forums, This oil does quite well, can only try it i suppose. Vonammer where did you get it from ?

Hi Dazz

Try this;

Sales Enquiries


Email: sales@lubricationmanagement.com.au
Phone #: (03)9794 0700
Postal Address: 127A Lonsdale Street Dandenong Victoria 3175

Regards

Vonammer
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[sherlock]

I have been using amsoil in my quads for 5 years now. I have never had an issue what so ever even when i forgot to refill my bike and i did a couple of laps around my back yard. I shut it of as soon as i remembered and no harm was done. you can get it from hear.

VIC, TAS, NSW, ACT: A1 OILS Australia
Peter Crossing
Po Box 7007
Broken Hill, NSW, 2880

PH: (0 8087 7890
FAX: (0 8088 7518
MOB: 0427 269 645
Email: info@a1oils.com.au

WA: Dean (Doc) Harrison
Synthetic Lubricants WA
188 Maddington Road
Maddington, WA, 6109

PH: (0 9459 8603
FAX: (0 9493 3184
MOB: 0408 903 218
Email: synthetic_lubricants@bigpond.com.au

QLD: Ross Lawson
Alpha Lubrication
PO Box 479
Maroochydore, QLD, 4558

PH: (07) 5448 5953
FAX: (07) 5448 5943
MOB: 0427 624 494
Email: amsoilq@bordernet.com.au

SA, NT, TAS: Bruce and Kath Pavier
PO Box 1278
Mylor, SA, 5153

PH: (0 8388 5294
FAX: (0 8388 5294
Email: amsoildist@yahoo.com.au