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[Trud]

QRCV TRI STATE BACK ON TRACK FOR 2010

After much searching and scouring, doubt and deliberation, the Quad Riders Club of Victoria are thrilled to announce that the Tri State Series will go ahead for 2010.

Economic situation has played a major part in deciding and finding tracks to compete at, however the QRCV have managed with the support of other quad clubs and great members to pull it off.

We are hoping for this to be bigger and better than last year keeping the tradition alive within the quad fraternity

1st round on the 7th March will be held in South Australia at Acusa Park in the Adelaide Hills only 30 minutes from Murray Bridge.
The track has steep hills with switchbacks, which will make for great racing and great spectator viewing.

2nd round on the 16th May is back at one of our favourite tracks in Fairbairn Motocross Track (Pialligo Ave, Majura) in the ACT.
The Motocross track is 1660 metre long, 8 metres wide and has a FIM standard 40 gate start grid. It has all of the obstacles you'd expect to see on your favourite Play Station venue.

The 3rd round on the 8th August is at the home grounds of the QRCV being Toolleen, Central Victoria. The hard packed long track will certainly make or break the riders.

With 12 to 13 different categories including Juniors, Women’s, Production and the famous Jumbo Juniors there will be well over 36 races over the course of the day with lots of thrills and spills.

Supp regs , maps to tracks and accommodation guides can be found at the QRCV website www.qrcv.com.au in the next few days

Thanks for your patience and look forward to seeing you all there

[hustleratv.com.au]

top job there Trud , and to all that helped make it happen see you all in SA
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QRCV TSS entry forms are now online at www.qrcv.com.au
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[Roycroft]

did i miss it or is the lap duration per class not there?
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[450yam2]

I was looking for that as well, how long for pro moto?

[PeteW]

Roycroft wrote:

did i miss it or is the lap duration per class not there?

Incase you havent read the entry forms for the last few years it is not usually on there....... ( I know because I just looked up a heap of old ones)

Pro Moto will be 20m +1 Lap like normal
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PeteW wrote:

Roycroft wrote: did i miss it or is the lap duration per class not there? Incase you havent read the entry forms for the last few years it is not usually on there....... ( I know because I just looked up a heap of old ones) Pro Moto will be 20m +1 Lap like normal

Too Much like normal
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[Roycroft]

i agree lenny, i am unsure what is achieved by making the pro moto's 20 min at the Tri State and even national level

all it does is make each rider pace them self over a 20min duration, which is boring to race and watch. where if it was a good 12-15 min moto, the racing would be much closer knit and more of a sprint format and more exciting for everyone.
i see even the 2 wheeled moto X has reviewed there stance on this and reduced there national moto's from 30 min to 20 min for this exact reason.

and we have a long way to go to get to the level of racing the pro MX has.

you cant tell me that they don't know what they are talking about.
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[Huskygoat]

Or maybe a 2lap dash for cash...... or the last race whoever is last drops per lap , until there is a winner ... so a 15 rider race is 14 laps .... mix it up ... but the 20+1 are still very important .. just my 2c

oh roycroft you will probaly drop out early lol
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[mickbundy]

wrote a message but what is the point
Just say you cant do it at the front for the 20, don't try and change it to suit yourself.Either you can run there or you cant tell the MWA I cant do it at my age it is beyond me, don't bullshit that it is boring it maybe for you. Have you heard the spectators say shyte that Pro race was real average at the nationals?? no look at the pics the fence line is packed these people come to watch these guys put in for a full race not a sprint.
Not attacking anyone racing but yeah if it aint broke don't fix it.. it works fine as it is

[Roycroft]

hey mickbundy, this is my opionion based on my expierence, and feedback from numerous other people from my state and racers i know,
this is all about the sport, the nats were great for the whole event, just trying to fine tune things for the future of our sport.

to say i can't do it, i actually can if we had to do 40min moto i would be there to the end, hey huskygoat thats what i am talkinabout super X style differant mixed up formats to please the crowd and make the racing more close.
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[Huskygoat]

mickbundy wrote:

wrote a message but what is the point Just say you cant do it at the front for the 20, don't try and change it to suit yourself.Either you can run there or you cant tell the MWA I cant do it at my age it is beyond me, don't bullshit that it is boring it maybe for you. Have you heard the spectators say shyte that Pro race was real average at the nationals?? no look at the pics the fence line is packed these people come to watch these guys put in for a full race not a sprint. Not attacking anyone racing but yeah if it aint broke don't fix it.. it works fine as it is

How many poeple do you ask ??? Yep it was boring.... You don't watch V8 supercars or one day cricket and now 20/20 ... Don't be scared of change a couple of extra short races from the best riders would be good.
Maybe you can entice new sponsors for something different?

20 +1 should still be the preimere event though. 4c now
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[thebigdog]

Roycroft wrote:

i see even the 2 wheeled moto X has reviewed there stance on this and reduced there national moto's from 30 min to 20 min

That says it all. 20 mins must be the right amount of time.

I totally agree with Mick Bundy.
If you look back to 2005, Ryan probably couldn't do a consistent race at 20 mins, but he was determined and worked his a$$ off to get where he is now.
Everyone else needs to get better, not ask for shorter races to make it seem they going better.
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[Roycroft]

thats why the v8s brought in the spint tyre, and cricket the 20/20
exactly my point, it wouldn't hurt no one to mix it up only the ego's of the die hards who think that a 20 min moto is exciting to watch for the whole 20min,

you guys keep refering to Ryan and Chris, there are 18 other pros in the field that make up the numbers remember, just because the top 2 guys are the fastest doesn't mean we make the race around what they can do, its the rest of the competirors, fans, specators, and most of all sponsors we have to look after. sponsors are the life blood and we already have limited amount of those willing to back up our non pro's.
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[mickbundy]

Roycroft wrote:

thats why the v8s brought in the spint tyre, and cricket the 20/20 exactly my point, it wouldn't hurt no one to mix it up only the ego's of the die hards who think that a 20 min moto is exciting to watch for the whole 20min, you guys keep refering to Ryan and Chris, there are 18 other pros in the field that make up the numbers remember, just because the top 2 guys are the fastest doesn't mean we make the race around what they can do, its the rest of the competirors, fans, specators, and most of all sponsors we have to look after. sponsors are the life blood and we already have limited amount of those willing to back up our non pro's.

True control tires now the only way you can win a V8 supercar race is how well you pit and race strategy not a hell of a lot of passing.
And I am not just referring to Chris and Ryan there is half a dozen or more that could run at their pace, and a few more in the wings The machine Ant could do it at 40
And if sponsors are limited to the non pro section what will be achieved by mucking around with the upper classes. Like I said I am not bagging or rubbishing anyone. Just trying to understand where the ideas are coming from Cheers Mick

[old55]

If you are referring to the Tri States did you approach the Promotors of the event to request a review of the times.

Just a silly thought?

[Wadey]

its taken years to get our Pro class to the a level that is somewhere near overseas standard and having 20 min. motos is one of the things that has achieved that. I bet if you took a vote from the Pro's from last years nats, the vast majority would prefer to stick with 20 mins. Having the ability to ride that hard for 20 min is one of the things that set these guys apart from other grades. This class needs to be of a level that demands not only great riding skills but also great endurance and perseverance. I for one would be dissapointed should the class ever be changed from 20 mins.

[Trud]

Well said Wadey and Bigdog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hustleratv.com.au]

mmm , take a vote then
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Wadey wrote:

its taken years to get our Pro class to the a level that is somewhere near overseas standard and having 20 min. motos is one of the things that has achieved that. I bet if you took a vote from the Pro's from last years nats, the vast majority would prefer to stick with 20 mins. Having the ability to ride that hard for 20 min is one of the things that set these guys apart from other grades. This class needs to be of a level that demands not only great riding skills but also great endurance and perseverance. I for one would be dissapointed should the class ever be changed from 20 mins.

Ditto, and there is nothing better, from a spectators point of view than watching the top pro riders race for 20 minutes.
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[cowchaser]

I was never any bloody good at it, too lazy and drink to much. I think that our Pro Class should be a stepping stone for anybody that wants to make the step to race in the States and the best way for that to happen it keep our premier races at 20mins.
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[Roycroft]

so we are saying that we are trying to put our pro level at the level that the USA has? and we want all our top riders to go to the USA to race? lets not forget at our national level we do 5 x 20 min +1 lap moto's. this is iron man stuff considering the USA only does 2 x 20 min +2 laps for a national event.
and for the Tri state even which is an interclub event, (grassroots racing)we are proposing that people to have a go at pro level need to step up to 22-23min motos?

well bad news everyone we are not at that level of the USA and never will be, and to think that 20 min motos will assist this is not the way to grow the sport.

what would be the harm in reducing the moto length if it encoureges more people to have a go and produces closer racing? if there is already some great racing then imagine if the length of the moto was reduced, WOW that would be some great racing to watch.

lets take the Machoness and ironman out of it and put the sport first. if we want endurence go do thumb pump or finke.

its good to see everyones input but to be honest i am only seeing some views of parents or friends that are heavily involved in the sport so far. this i believe is not upto people people like you and me to vote on this, its up to the clubs to put the best interest of the sport first.

name one other club event that runs a 20min moto for pros in Australia, not even the WA state rounds do this, why becasue they need to grow the sport why should the Tri State be any differant.
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[IC chill]

i think you will find that WA dont run 20min motos is because of the fact that they have to get 300+ riders through 3 rounds of racing in one day....

you say change it so more people get into the sport but isnt that what the production class was brought in for????? not the seasoned pro class...

[triple"A"]

Roycroft wrote:

so we are saying that we are trying to put our pro level at the level that the USA has? and we want all our top riders to go to the USA to race? lets not forget at our national level we do 5 x 20 min +1 lap moto's. this is iron man stuff considering the USA only does 2 x 20 min +2 laps for a national event. and for the Tri state even which is an interclub event, (grassroots racing)we are proposing that people to have a go at pro level need to step up to 22-23min motos? well bad news everyone we are not at that level of the USA and never will be, and to think that 20 min motos will assist this is not the way to grow the sport. what would be the harm in reducing the moto length if it encoureges more people to have a go and produces closer racing? if there is already some great racing then imagine if the length of the moto was reduced, WOW that would be some great racing to watch. lets take the Machoness and ironman out of it and put the sport first. if we want endurence go do thumb pump or finke. its good to see everyones input but to be honest i am only seeing some views of parents or friends that are heavily involved in the sport so far. this i believe is not upto people people like you and me to vote on this, its up to the clubs to put the best interest of the sport first. name one other club event that runs a 20min moto for pros in Australia, not even the WA state rounds do this, why becasue they need to grow the sport why should the Tri State be any differant.

the only way to raise the standard is to lift the bar..............

the pro class should be asking "can we go to 30 minute motos", not softc@%*ing out. personally, i could never compete at even a quarter of that and would still be way off the pace, but that's why the pro class has my admiration and respect.

[bullet]

It seems there are only maybe 3 or so people in Australia who want to run Pro's for less than 20mins, and they keep making the same noise about it.

Well by this topic ayway, for every couple of shorter race fans, there seems to be half a dozen who like the 20+1.

Noisey minorities should not win debate by constant lobying, particularly if the topic relates to the future of our sport.
Proper conideration through transparent process should prevail.
And that wont be OZatv regardless of how noisey anyone wants to get with scarcely related examples rolled into a one sided view.

I don't think i've ever seen our top X Team Pro's on this forum, and i'm sure both of them would happily tick the 20+1 box with a big yes please.

Since a few years back in SA our 'Intermediate class' has always run 12min +1 lap.
Improved from the old 4 or 5 laps, this is the best thing that ever happened to our racing.
I still remember the first 12min moto nearly killed us all, but we all do it much more easily now and the racing is so much better because there is so much more to it.
I like the 12mins and i'm nowhere near a Pro-racer.
And that's how it should be.
The day we get a bunch of Bullets in Pro's... God help us, we'd need to stop calling it Pro's for a start.

Best of luck to the real 20 minute legends of our sport and anyone who wants a crack at the top level.
(go Manshee )

Just imagine if our Pro's got used to 30min motos... they might go to the U.S. and clean up
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