OZ ATV :: The Australian ATV Forum

[froggy]

News at our club meeting two nights ago that our councils have been asked to go away and come up with a piece of land each that could be used for recreational activity, interesting to see what comes of it.

[bullet]

Remember MA accredits all our junior coaches, insures our practice days, camp ways and trail rides.
As well as giving us some sort of framework that flows into all quad riding...
like GCR's giving us a basic guide for what safety gear we might use for all other riding too.
Our statistics might not look so healthy if quad clubs did not more or less adopt those MA ideals.

But yeah... we definitely need a more direct link and stronger representation under MA.
I think quads are still the fastest growing motorsport in the world, an if thats correct then it would be reasonable for our 'say' to grow proportionally.
_________________
Can-Am X Team
Bullet #Y12. MrsB #Y18.

[Dazz]

just received another reply to my email to our council

Quote:

Hi Daryl, Thanks for letting me know your views on the need to open our State forests to trail bike riders. My view is that the concentrated riding of trail bikes in environmentally sensitive areas should be actively discouraged, as I do not see how it can occur without too much damage. Possibly if land was sourced that was already degraded and not environmentally sensitive, was not near to any sensitive receptor points for the noise, and far enough away from anyone so that dust was not an issue, and not near to watercourses because of the erosion problems and run off issues that intensive use of trails would create, then I could support the use. Unfortunately land that fits that description is hard to find, and is not going to be near any built up areas, so it won't be easily assessable. But in reality, that is the nature of your sport. It has evolved from vehicles that were designed to give access to inassesable places, not from vehicles that were designed initially or exclusively for sport. Regards, Chris Robbins Councillor, Division 14 GCCC

spineless with no clue allready he thinks were in the same basket as trail bikes without any thought to the fact that ATVS are differant!

[yogie]

The biggest problem is they dont know about "footprints" left by motor vechiles, and the most damage is caued by tyre pressue, check out the infomation on it, quads do the least than by bikes 1st, and 4wd 2nd. Bikes run at about 20psi?? but quads run about 4-6 psi, I had this debate on DBW ages ago, and I won most of it I feel.
_________________
2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[mickbundy]

[quote="Dazz"]just received another reply to my email to our council

Quote:

spineless with no clue allready he thinks were in the same basket as trail bikes without any thought to the fact that ATVS are differant!

No of course you are totally different you would not be spinning rear wheels or sliding through the corners or leaving your broken parts behind. Please DAZZ don't treat them like they are idiots everybody off road is there for fun.
Do not make it sound like you are there to ride only no wheel spin , sliding wheelie's or having fun you are right ATV's are different they leave two huge furrows instead of one in a slide so what is your point ??

[Dazz]

good point mick...

[bullet]

Maybe luke is right...
It looks like there are a few other people out there progressing 'were do i ride my ATV'

Off road forum results so far. FYI.

http://www.lga.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?c=18605

LGA circulars 33.7
_________________
Can-Am X Team
Bullet #Y12. MrsB #Y18.

[Dazz]

Quote:

Thanks you for your email and I apologise for the delay in replying. You would have trouble convincing me that state forests should be open to motorised sports, be it trail bikes, ATV or other off-road vehicles. BUT, I do agree that there needs to be places where these enthusiasts can ride legally. Purpose built tracks should be able to cater for all levels/ages of riders and I am happy to support this. This is an area of need that is being investigated. I hope that in the near future GCCC and State Government can reach a decision on where and how these facilities can be provided. Thank you for taking the time to put your case. You are the only one, other than those against the re-location to Burleigh, to contact me. warm regards, Christine Christine Smith MP Member for Burleigh

wow im the only one to contact them ...... how f...... lazy are we in this sport...

[yogie]

what is that pollie on about, its is legal in every state to use "state forrests" with a registered vechilce... and that is the issue, two wheelers can get rego in every state and so should quads...
_________________
2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Huskygoat wrote:

Some thing that's bugging me Jordy said today that road going rego vehicle must have slip diff not a locked axle like on our straight axle machines. Q is there a locked axle registist machine out there?????

Just to quickly answer this I owned a 1999 model Jeep Wrangler TJ and believe they are a fully lock rear diff permanently, try listening to one of those turn a corner in a car park, that and the fact you can get air lockers for many 4wd models and the govt have not stopped that I believe fully locked diffs in not an issue but whether that directly applies to solid rear axles I dont know.

But you can put a solid axle on a trailer.

I dont know if that is an indication of rules 100% or not as a straight axle is not locked diff technology is the easy argument any red taper will lay down.
_________________
www.asho.com.au for your shooting and outdoor needs
www.paracordaustralia.com - all things Paracord for outdoor adventure and craft

Tweet - ceo@futrixenterprises.com.au

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Clarkie wrote:

Back when Yamaha made the YZ250WR (00-04)models for sale here they ran for 4 years and cost $30,000 a year to get ADR complied and they had to produce a minimum of 100 per model, All the work was done by YRD and they were done so the Europeans could race a Yamaha 2 banger in the A4DE, so I suspect you would be looking at $30,000+ per quad model that want to be ADR'd and a minimum of 100 per model would have to be produced per year?

Clarkie do you know if crash testing is applicable to motorcycles for ADR? I dont think so. I also dont believe crash testing is appllicable to $350,000 harvesters etc. So not all vehicles are subject to the crash tests.

Im not saying that Clarkie is saying that, Im just asking do you know what the $30,000 applied to?
_________________
www.asho.com.au for your shooting and outdoor needs
www.paracordaustralia.com - all things Paracord for outdoor adventure and craft

Tweet - ceo@futrixenterprises.com.au

[OZ_450]

a quad axle is not known as a locked diff or axle they are known under same terms as a sprintcar or race car axle that being what is called a live axle

as is one peice ..........

locked diffs are still a 3 peice set up that being 2 axles and the centre drive set up

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Dazz wrote:

just received another reply to my email to our council Quote: Hi Daryl, Thanks for letting me know your views on the need to open our State forests to trail bike riders. My view is that the concentrated riding of trail bikes in environmentally sensitive areas should be actively discouraged, as I do not see how it can occur without too much damage. Possibly if land was sourced that was already degraded and not environmentally sensitive, was not near to any sensitive receptor points for the noise, and far enough away from anyone so that dust was not an issue, and not near to watercourses because of the erosion problems and run off issues that intensive use of trails would create, then I could support the use. Unfortunately land that fits that description is hard to find, and is not going to be near any built up areas, so it won't be easily assessable. But in reality, that is the nature of your sport. It has evolved from vehicles that were designed to give access to inassesable places, not from vehicles that were designed initially or exclusively for sport. Regards, Chris Robbins Councillor, Division 14 GCCC spineless with no clue allready he thinks were in the same basket as trail bikes without any thought to the fact that ATVS are differant!

Just in terms of damage to ecology we need to get some documents from the states that assessed the impact of say atv tyres against other "footprints" As it turned out ATV tyres actually cause less damage (pressure per inch) than an actual footstep! We need that paper!!
_________________
www.asho.com.au for your shooting and outdoor needs
www.paracordaustralia.com - all things Paracord for outdoor adventure and craft

Tweet - ceo@futrixenterprises.com.au

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Dazz

Ive seen and discussed some efforts in the past but I also am only new to the sport.

What I am not new to is making submissions to Boards of top 100 Australian companies as a project leader of a concept.

The way I have tackled this in big business is now followed by the political system.

A concept paper is put together. Dont worry too much about the details of it. Ask for a simply stated set of things. Always ask for more than you want but not outrageously so people who are dissenters can say no to something while looking to politically support the majority. Rec reg all states, set-up of Aust governing body ATV's, definition of ATV's for MA and for all Aust states. etc etc.

Then we have a core group put that to Australia's peak body MA, who dont just look after racing, they have much more involvement both with motorcycling and in the community than that.

It gets set up and approved and as part of the registered group of MA clubs or commitees that then kicks of the national and state work required at government level to make it happen.

I believe those are the simple steps required. My experience is they do work and my belief is a united ATV front Australia is required not seperate racers and re riders until further down the heirachy that this will end up being. Hopefully then all state clubs will buy into the national association and that should be one of its goals.

I could go on forever, but as we have all seen (say Luke, Yogie and Pete that I know of as well as I think Linc Husky VJ and Mrs G and others who have posted that I dont know exactly whats gone on for lack of having talked to them, so a lot of people with a lot of long term experience...) individual efforts be quite determined and have significant personal effort only to fall for lack of a consolidated front or punching power! This is the essential first step we are all looking for a consolidated front gives us political power and MA is where I believe we get that and credibility in the shortest possible timeframe with least amount of effort.

Cheers.
_________________
www.asho.com.au for your shooting and outdoor needs
www.paracordaustralia.com - all things Paracord for outdoor adventure and craft

Tweet - ceo@futrixenterprises.com.au

[yogie]

geeman1969 wrote:

ust in terms of damage to ecology we need to get some documents from the states that assessed the impact of say atv tyres against other "footprints" As it turned out ATV tyres actually cause less damage (pressure per inch) than an actual footstep! We need that paper!!

Check out the USA "footprint" organisation, they have already done that years ago, thats why the big push against two wheelers started over there, from the Govt envoiromentalist and the more readily aceptance for quads, mind you, like here they want evrything out of their forrests like here.
_________________
2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

yogie wrote:

geeman1969 wrote: ust in terms of damage to ecology we need to get some documents from the states that assessed the impact of say atv tyres against other "footprints" As it turned out ATV tyres actually cause less damage (pressure per inch) than an actual footstep! We need that paper!! Check out the USA "footprint" organisation, they have already done that years ago, thats why the big push against two wheelers started over there, from the Govt envoiromentalist and the more readily aceptance for quads, mind you, like here they want evrything out of their forrests like here.

I was wondering where I got that quote from Yogie, thanks for chiming in, theres something that needs to be shoved under Mr ecological sustainability!

Dazz check that out and stick it to him!!
_________________
www.asho.com.au for your shooting and outdoor needs
www.paracordaustralia.com - all things Paracord for outdoor adventure and craft

Tweet - ceo@futrixenterprises.com.au

[gazman]

I wrote a long to Eddy Sarroff,Jan Grew ,Ron Clarke (not clarkie)Bob LaCastra and Peter Young regarding riding areas and council inaction around the Gold Coast about the 04-09-09. I didnot bother writing to Christine Smith but I will now!!Am I off the hook for being f%&#*& lazy?

[Q67Dazza]

hhmmm interesting
.
.
.
a consolodated approach is where it's at and M.A will definately have more Political HP....
.
FOHVA joins forces with MA 2005.........it would be good to understand what Goals this has achieved if any??
.
.
a new association is a fair bit of paperwork, just to set-up
and what are you going to be affiliated with??..or too.....to give you any credibility or HP??..The Australian Sports Commission...they don't just hand them -out
where are you going to source all your safety managment guidelines,??? best practices?.......
do you think the new association is going to be the ATV Recreational Free-Riding Sports Governing in Oz....
_________________
007257 where are you???.... bring back the Bling

[Dazz]

more emails .....

i think im the only one who is writing to these people ....

Quote:

Thank you for your earlier email in relation to places to ride trail bikes. This is a very difficult issue, as all levels of Government deal with the conflicts of addressing the needs and aspirations of off-road motorcycle enthusiasts and the lawful requirements of meeting residential amenity. This is further complicated on the Gold Coast as it continues to sustain significant levels of population growth. Council itself has committed significantly to progressing such matters having both established its own Motorsport Taskforce, while being a key representative on the SEQ Council of Mayors' Trail Bike Taskforce. In doing so, it continues to investigate and support the consideration of viable options for off-road motorcycling both within and outside of the City. In relation to your desire for further access to the State Forests this is a matter for the State Government and in this regard I would encourage you to make contact with Kathy Kingsford, Principal Project Manager, Sport and Recreation Services, Department of Communities. Ms Kingsford can be contacted via email at Kathy.Kingsford@communities.qld.gov.au or on telephone (07) 3237 0098. Thank you for letting me know your views regarding this matter. Best wishes Ron Clarke MBE MAYOR Gold Coast City Council Ph: (07) 5581 5283 Fax: (07) 5581 6054 PO Box 5042 Gold Coast Mail Centre Qld 9729 mayor@goldcoast.qld.gov.au www.goldcoastcity.com.au

[PeteW]

Q67Dazza wrote:

hhmmm interesting . . . a consolodated approach is where it's at and M.A will definately have more Political HP.... . FOHVA joins forces with MA 2005.........it would be good to understand what Goals this has achieved if any?? . . a new association is a fair bit of paperwork, just to set-up and what are you going to be affiliated with??..or too.....to give you any credibility or HP??..The Australian Sports Commission...they don't just hand them -out where are you going to source all your safety managment guidelines,??? best practices?....... do you think the new association is going to be the ATV Recreational Free-Riding Sports Governing in Oz....

All FOHVA joining with MA did was to wreck what FOHVA were doing IMHO
_________________


www.thumbpump.com
www.dirtcomp.com.au

[yogie]

PeteW wrote:

All FOHVA joining with MA did was to wreck what FOHVA were doing IMHO

Spot on pete, i remeber all the promises and all the great work Darryl had done and it was gone over night. shame really
_________________
2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers