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[budha]

Hi All,

With the recent tragedy in Melbourne and the senseless loss of life, would there be an opportunity to promote more riding area for quads?
Potentially motivating the point as "maintenance of the fire breaks"? It seems like " back burning " and fire break maintenance is hot on the agenda and may be a good opportunity to move forward.
I wouldn't know where to start so I'm just putting a few thoughts out there as riding area's and facilities are an obvious bone of contention.

PS. I hope i haven't offended anyone by looking for something positive within the tragedy. We all lost a little in the fires.

[niftynev]

Sounds like a sensible and cheap solution to an issue.
There is always a HOWEVER to ever good idea though.
Most fire trails and fire breaks are on crown land and hence regarded as a road rellated area under the legislation
(1) A "road related area" is any of the following:
(a) an area that divides a road,
(b) a footpath or nature strip adjacent to a road,
(c) an area that is not a road and that is open to the public and designated for use by cyclists or animals,
(d) an area that is not a road and that is open to or used by the public for driving, riding or parking vehicles.

That why we need conditional rego for stockton.

We should start a pertition on this forum and take it to government to get more Recreation Vehicle Areas gazetted across the state under the RECREATION VEHICLES ACT 1983 see link http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/rva1983194/
PART 3 - RECREATION VEHICLE AREAS

10. Applications for designation of land as a recreation vehicle area
11. Designation of land as a recreation vehicle area

If hunters can shoot on crown land why cant quad bikes ride. Makes sense to me.
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[Dazz]

Could some one set up an online petition that maybe the Quad riders associations and Atv & Equipment Importers can put forth to government and councils im sure that all will sign it and maybe they just might take action for a change instead of ignoring us year after year

it makes sense dosent it for our country to put the foot forward and get the show on the road for outdoor sports like ATVs as it will incresase the number of riders ... increase sales of gear ... and increase jobs it will bring revenue for them from yearly fees , fines , fishing & hunting licences and they could let the park rangers run the show so its all nice and GREEN friendly

Makes sense for our country to create jobs any way possible and what better way than with the millions of acres we have in this country doing nothing

what say u.....

[Dazz]

after doing a little research on the subject ... my conclusion is

OMG the amount of redtape surrounding the problem is totaly

re-cock-ulus

There are just too many bodys in the deal .... police, council , dpt of transport Parks & wildlife & Land owners ... how the hell do you get them all to talk @ the same table

i was looking into Conditional Rego of a recreational Quad
with these two documents

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resources/file/ebbb290eff6880a/cond_rego_trike_quad_offroad.pdf
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resources/file/eb96d343f981da4/Pdf_guideline_for_conditionally_registered_vehicles.pdf

of course the quad has to abide to the following rules

LO3
LO6A
LO7



LO3 -

Restricted to a designated area.

A vehicle operating under this condition is only permitted to operate in the following
areas:
(a) Car-parks (shopping centres, airports, etc);
(b) Parklands;
(c) Resorts;
(d) University grounds;
(e) Hospital grounds;
(f) Refuse/recycling depot;
(g) Wharf;
(h) Forest reserve;
(i) Cemetery;
(j) Showgrounds; or
(k) Any area designated by the Chief Executive Queensland Transport.
(l) Mining leases
A vehicle operating under this condition is only permitted to operate at a speed no
greater than the specified “SP� condition code (if applicable).
A vehicle operating under this condition is permitted to cross roads contained within
the restricted area.
page 11 of 23
Queensland Transport, Guideline for Conditionally Registered Vehicles, 2008
A vehicle operating in the areas listed above must have authorisation from the
owner of the road.

LO6(A)

Restricted to designated route.

A vehicle operating under this condition is only permitted to operate on a designated route
and at approved times.
In all cases a vehicle operating under this condition must operate under requirements
detailed in a current route specific approval issued by the authority responsible for the
management of the road, for example, Main Roads, Local Government or the Environmental
Protection Agency.
In addition a vehicle operating under this condition must operate under requirements
detailed in a permit issued by the Queensland Police Service.
A permit may be required from Queensland Transport, only if the vehicle is built to carry
passengers and the Transport Operations (Passenger Transport) Act 1994 applies.
The requirement for authorisation from both the owner of the road and the Queensland
Police Service ensures that authorities with local knowledge have assessed the required
area of operation before permitting use of these vehicles.
Permits/approvals must be obtained prior to operating the vehicle and must be produced
when required by an authorised officer.

LO7 -

Restricted to loading and unloading tasks.

A vehicle operating under this condition is only permitted to cross a footpath and
operate up to 100 metres on a road for:
(a) Loading and unloading onto a vehicle/combination; or
(b) Loading and unloading a vehicle/combination.
A vehicle operating under this condition is not required to comply with the condition
“TD1� – Not to travel during darkness or poor visibility (if applicable).


and to top it off this is just for Queensland the rest of the country could have more or less conditions

this stuff totaly needs a change ...........

[niftynev]

[this stuff totaly needs a change ...........]
Even more reason to all work together to get it changed.
If hunters can shoot on public land, quads should be simple. Id rather get hit by a quad than shot.
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[ashnery]

Wern't the fires travelling at 80mph and jumping distance's over 200mtrs .

Sure did not want to be infront of that even on a quad.
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[Dazz]

i think no one gives a rats ass as to what happens with trail riding some times maybe there all tired of beating down the same door over and over or waiting for some one else to do somthing about it for them

surley we all realise by now that its going to take every one to stand up and say give us space to ride to make the powers that would take notice ?

im sure every one is interested in having places to ride out your back door so if you want to improve our sport just step up and have a say in it.

come on now lets get this show on the road we just need a starting place like a petition!!!

[budha]

I agree with you on that. If anything changes it will be from a collective attempt.
Is there any way of getting this on the " today tonight " show or " current affairs " or does it just not make the grade?

[niftynev]

A current afair etc only deal with issues that pollies wont fix. As far as the pollies know there is no issue with quad bikes and areas to ride because all we do is sit back and winge without taking any action to help ourselves.

We have to take the issue to the government. Make them aware of the situation and provide some justification for our concerns and provide solutions to our problem.

I can guarantee that if you asked your local member they would have no idea quad bike riders had any issues. As far as they would be aware the state has a rec rego system, a ride area at stockton. What more would you want!!

As Ive banged on about before. the gun lobby got together and pushed the government. They even threatened to run against sitting members, and look what they got. They can shoot in state forests and on public land with a permit. Who would have thought that would be possible 5 years ago. The power of people that work together to resolve a common issue.

Come on, lets work together and lobby the government to get a better deal for quad bike riders or you will forever have no where to ride legally.

If we all contribited 10% of the cost of a police ticket towards the cause who knows what we could acheive. Otherwise we'll all continue to complain on the forum and over a beer at the end of the day and nothing will change.
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[Dazz]

So how do we start what is the first thing to do ?

[niftynev]

working on it. post tomorrow night
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[niftynev]

We need to focus on what we want and justify our request using facts.
We need one unified goal. What is it we want?

The Government is only interested in the facts. What we wish to achieve needs to be;
- clearly stated,
- contain facts (only)
- Be short and concise. One issue per petition or letter
- be justified with studies or proof to support our claims
- outline what occurs elsewhere for example Queensland or overseas
- the proposal or suggestion is legal or can be legally undertaken with
safety
- is beneficial to broader community eg reduce fire hazard or save
councils money and is supported by wider community.

What we need is more Recreation Vehicles Area’s gazetted across the state on crown lands such as Forestry fire trails, tracks on vacant crown land, beach’s.

How to Prepare a Petition see web link
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/petitions/media/petitions_brochure.pdf and
http://www.jillianskinner.com/Jillian%20Skinner/Petitions.html

Presenting a petition to Parliament (from web link)
Members of the public can raise concerns about any issues by having them raised in a petition which is submitted to Parliament on their behalf just before Question Time when the Legislative Assembly is sitting.

Petitions are one of the most traditional Parliamentary processes, being the only means by which an individual or group can directly place grievances before the Parliament.

The Petition Form
- Every petition should begin with the words "To the Honourable the
Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales
in Parliament assembled". This is the preamble.
- The last paragraph of the body of each petition must set out the general
objective sought by the petitioner(s) or the nature of the action sought.
This concluding paragraph is the request.
- each page of signatures must be headed with the words of the request.
- The opening paragraphs of the petition (containing the preamble,
petitioners, grievance and request) may be written, typed or printed.
Every signature must be original handwriting, and signatures must not
be pasted on, photocopied or transferred in any other way.
- The petition must not have any attachments, such as letters, affidavits,
or other documents, except in the case of a petition for a private bill.
- The petition must be legible and contain no alterations.
- The petition must be in English or accompanied by a translation certified
to be correct by the Member lodging the petition. Signatures
- The petition must be signed by the people whose names are listed,
using their own signature or mark unless they are physically
incapacitated. Every person signing a petition must write their address
after their signature.

Content
• The petition must not make reference to any debate in Parliament.
• The petition must not ask for a grant of public money, either directly or
indirectly.
• The language used in the petition must be polite and respectful.

Presentation
• Petitions can only be lodged for presentation to the Legislative Assembly
by a Member of the Legislative Assembly.
• The Clerk will announce to the House the petitions lodged for
presentation, stating the Member who lodged it and the subject of the
petition.
• Every petition presented is considered to be received by the House,
unless the motion "that the petition be not received" is moved forthwith
and agreed to. No debate is permitted on the subject matter of petitions.

Sample petition (from web site)
http://www.jillianskinner.com/web%20related%20documents/Health/PDF%20HEALTH/petition%20Queen%20Victoria%20Memorial%20Hospital%20May%202008.pdf
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[budha]

Gents,

How do we get more members from this site to actively participate on this?
Petition is a great idea and we need the members to actively participate.
Is there some way we can get the moderator involved who im sure will have an idea or two to target the members of this forum?

[Dazz]

What we need is more Recreation Vehicles Area’s gazetted across ALL states and on crown lands such as Forestry fire trails, tracks on vacant crown land, beach’s.

a little correction needed...........

just as a suggestion the same group that lobbied for guns might shed some light for us also it might be worth a letter

what about the quad riding assocations how can they help us ?

ill join tommorow if they will lend support


The Government is only interested in the facts. What we wish to achieve needs to be;

- clearly stated,

we need a journalist * atv magazine may help there


- contain facts (only) ...... we need written facts from parks and wildlife , fire brigades , SES in the forms of letters returned from key questions asked ........... of course studys and any thing else that may benifit the cause and not from just 1 state either ......

- Be short and concise. One issue per petition or letter

- be justified with studies or proof to support our claims ......

this item wont be too hard to prove !!



- outline what occurs elsewhere for example overseas ..... must be lots of stuff here we can add imagine if us queenslanders had a stockton of our own OR even a bloody fire trial to ride on that didnt take 5 hours to reach!

[niftynev]

Ive started chasing up loby groups for idears. The gun loby bought about the game council that oversees recreational hunting on crown land.

If the Govt is happy to allow quads to be imported and for companies to pay the import taxes and rec rego fees surely they need to look at where buyers of these machines can ride them. Surely they don't imagine you ride them in your back yard. Not everyone has a farm.

Come on guys and gals where are your ideas. Take some photo's of issues, make some suggestions.

Do we want to loby polititians for more ride areas and present a pertition or not?
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[Dazz]

i feel very dissapointed that no one is offering there support, input or wisdom what a shame when the out come will benift every one.

i guess if your happy riding in circles all day then why the hell change now .....

on another note

i have noticed alot of places in the states, canada and uk have allowed Quads to use land as long as they meet specific Decible levels of noise .... maybe the use of silencers can be somthing to smooth over the noise issue for councils

[fossil800R]

http://www.ozatv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7996

Not a new topic guys but yes you are right about the lack of support. Can't see a lot changing in the short term either. Count me in if you need any help.
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[yogie]

I'll assume your in Vic, and they (vic roads) will not change their view on quads, see the letter i posted from Vic roads in the link fossil put up. They state "quads are unstable at speed" so what speed ??? 5, 10, 15, 20, 300, k's per hour, they wont give a figure so they will contuine to block any quad specific reg till then, but I will again, next year send off another submission explaining why quads are legitmate vechilces and we are entitled to ride these quads in the bush, blah, blah.



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[Linc]

yogie wrote:

I'll assume your in Vic, and they (vic roads) will not change their view on quads, see the letter i posted from Vic roads in the link fossil put up. They state "quads are unstable at speed" so what speed ??? 5, 10, 15, 20, 300, k's per hour, they wont give a figure so they will contuine to block any quad specific reg till then, but I will again, next year send off another submission explaining why quads are legitmate vechilces and we are entitled to ride these quads in the bush, blah, blah.

If quads are unstable at speed (what speed )........that means every council that uses quads are putting their staff in danger and thats neglect!

If you can register a quad as a farmer then it means it's OK that they are dangerous because it's only farmer.

If you can register a quad as a disabled person then it's OK that they are dangerous because it's only a disabled person.

We dont need a petition we need a lawyer.

[hustleratv.com.au]

Linc wrote:

yogie wrote: I'll assume your in Vic, and they (vic roads) will not change their view on quads, see the letter i posted from Vic roads in the link fossil put up. They state "quads are unstable at speed" so what speed ??? 5, 10, 15, 20, 300, k's per hour, they wont give a figure so they will contuine to block any quad specific reg till then, but I will again, next year send off another submission explaining why quads are legitmate vechilces and we are entitled to ride these quads in the bush, blah, blah. If quads are unstable at speed (what speed )........that means every council that uses quads are putting their staff in danger and thats neglect! If you can register a quad as a farmer then it means it's OK that they are dangerous because it's only farmer. If you can register a quad as a disabled person then it's OK that they are dangerous because it's only a disabled person. We dont need a petition we need a lawyer.

QRSA has been down this path b4 with our transport SA its like hitting your head against a brick wall with some of the stupid questions and reasons they give you . Yes a lawyer maybe needed. unless you can get the federal goverment to aprove them.

we have a 24hr realiability trial in SA ,which is awsome but we cant get a permit to ride our quads from the end of a check point to the start next stage (on goverment roads). like in the safari.
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[Dazz]

all it takes is a joint Effort ...

i am in Queensland

[hustleratv.com.au]

Dazz wrote:

all it takes is a joint Effort ... i am in Queensland

each state runs by its own rules ; WA has it made.


also we saw quads at alice springs a few years ago with rego, used as rubbish collectors. (goverment workers) up and down the foot path didnt tip over.
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[dangerman4]

Unstable at speep.... what a joke
how stable are horses?
there aloud to go on roads with no rego plate screwed to there ass.
and there the most unstable, unpradictable creations on earth.

[Dazz]

hustleratvracing wrote:

Dazz wrote: all it takes is a joint Effort ... i am in Queensland each state runs by its own rules ; WA has it made. also we saw quads at alice springs a few years ago with rego, used as rubbish collectors. (goverment workers) up and down the foot path didnt tip over.

how do they have it made?

also quads are used here in queensland for Weed control
are they not used in any form of fire fighting?

there has to be a lawyer somewhere that rides a quad !!!

[hustleratv.com.au]

WA has is made.


they let quads have permits for safari ,to ride on public roads , they also have rec rego and places to ride quads off road (parks & forrest).

its very motor sport friendly.
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