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HSR, It was a South Australian that talked Tassis into using the QRCV rules.
I must have made 20 phone calls in relation to that one.
It made sense to me because there were only 2 of us going over and we had raced to those rules all year.
If the QRCV don't like any new rule that pops up, I guess no-one can make anyone sign up.
Don't get too stuck though, The rest of the Country has willingly accepted your 'draft' rules for the last 3 years with no monumental democratic processes (not in MOM either).
As you indicated your rules were drafted some TIME ago, times have changed, quads have changed, and now we have the advantage of seeing them function for a while.
And I think all 5 of last years riders loved them
With the benefit of hindsight, recent experience, consideration of new model bikes etc etc... if Husky want's to draft something up for NT, why wouldn't the hole country give a new set of rules aimed at improvement a go.
He want's to put a bag of energy into promoting them too.

Big Dog, I expect your art to improve to farm animals next time... not just a lousy old snail.
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[PeteW]

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I find it strange that some people want a production class, yet not permit experienced riders from competing. How can it be given a bike class status, when you want it to be a rider class status. I can't see manufacturers supporting brand new riders. It would be nice if they did, but as all of us know, that doesn't happen. [/quote]I never thought the voice of reason here would be Big Dog. I agree.

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The rest of the Country has willingly accepted your 'draft' rules for the last 3 years with no monumental democratic processes (not in MOM either).

Don't suppose you've noticed the last 3 times we've been through this argument then. this is not the first time the proddy class has been debated publicaly nor is it the first time that all the clubs have been asked for their input on the matter. I seem to recall that all the states have previously not been able to agree on a set of rules and the VIC rules had been adopted because there wasn't an agreement reached in time.
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[noodles]

PeteW wrote:

bullet wrote: You are only talking about opposition from 2 or 3 Vics Husky. thats 2 or 3 vic on the forum B, not the Committee of the QRCV. given that this has not gone before the club officially then there is not much chance of an official answer for VIC.

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Nor has it it been brought up at a QRASA meeting so as a club we have no stance on any current or proposed rules be that for a club round or the nationals.

However my personal opinion is ---------------------
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[HSR]

"B" the QRCV has no problem with other states/clubs writing and running any class under their own supp regs and we are not imposing our Production rules on any one unless they choose to race in our series or championships, the only reason that the Victorian rules have been used in the last 3 years ( irrespective of who pushed for or made the decission to use or adopt them ) is that they were the only ones ever written or published.
We are far from hung up about them and have never made any move to have them be anything but the Victorian Production Rules covering all the production classes that are run in our series/championships, this debate has however only focused on the senior production class so if the arguments logic persists there will be two sets of Production rules 1 for senior novice riders and another set for junior production classes this seems to me to be confusing in the extreme, novice riders only in senior production but experienced riders in junior production where is the fairness or logic in that. It must also be remembered that the rules for any competition under the MOM umbrella must promote fair and safe racing, we believe that the rules we have implemented have achieved those goals but as I have stated before if a national set of rules were to be introduced and set forth in the MOM we in Victoria would happily run to those rules.
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[bullet]

Yeah, you're right HSR. This Production discussion has only been aimed at Senior rules to this point.
I mean maybe it could cover Junior classes, but I have no experience with the effectiveness of the rules in the Junior scene and would not feel anywhere near quallified to even comment.
Your existing rules have made for some great racing at the senior level, and the class has been fair.
If the result of this discussion is rule differences between Senior and Junior Production classes, I can't see that being a problem.
The bikes are very obviously different and it's not like anyone can enter both Senior and Junior production classes on the same bike.
It would be no more confusing than the engine size differences and like you said before, people could always look the rules up anyway.

I think the discussion has been had, and I'm just sitting back to see what pops out the other end.
If Production does not change, i'll probably still race to your rules next season, and enjoy every minute of it again...
If they do change, and we get more new riders in there, I might step out of the class to help make it more of a 'sport growth' class.
I'll support what ever happens
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[HSR]

" B " You will always be welcome to be involved with any QRCV event whether as a competitor or in any other role you may take on in the future because your spirit and enthusiasm for this sport is second to none.
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[Huskygoat]

Ok lets see how these go

1) Engines: All engines must remain standard as produced and sold by the manufacturer, no material may be removed by grinding, polishing, machining or cutting from any casing ,casting, reciprocating parts, transmissions, manifolds, clutch components, vee drives or sheaves, apart from cylinder reboring if the OEM offers oversize pistons/rings, with the exception that Generically engineered and/or manufactured engines may cross use engine components for reconditioning purposes, all cylinder head and base gaskets must be of the same type, material and thickness as standard. No AFTERMARKET pistons, rings, camshafts, valves / valve springs, manifolds, reed valves, reed blocks, clutch springs, clutch weights or sheaves may be used under any circumstances.



2) Frames: All frames must remain standard, frames may be repaired but must not be gusseted, braced, stiffened or strengthened, all engine mounts, mounting brackets and mounting hardware must remain standard. Nerf bars or foot mounting boards must be fitted, foot pegs may be changed if integrated with nerf bars, Axles, “ A “ Arms, swingarms and all steering components must remain as standard, steering dampers may NOT be fitted, steering stems may be repaired but must remain of standard length, handle bar risers or mounting adaptors may NOT be used. Handle bars, grips, clutch perches and levers may be changed. Twist throttle mechanisms may be used. Aftermarket Flexx style handlebars and spring loaded or adjustable levers may not be used. Subframes may be repaired but must remain as standard no Aftermarket subframes may be used. All bodywork and hardware must remain as standard, no cut down mudguards are permitted, seat covers may be changed but the height and contour must remain as standard.



3) Brakes: All brake lines, disc rotors, callipers, master cylinders, wheel cylinders, brake drums and cables must remain as standard, friction materials and fluids are free, park brake levers and actuators may be removed and block off plates may be fitted.



4) Exhaust systems: Spark arrestors may Not be removed , slip on mufflers may NOT be used , all header and intermediate pipes must remain as standard, no full length Aftermarket or alternate model exhaust systems may be fitted under any circumstances. All exhausts will be subject to current and/ or future GCR`s regarding noise emissions.



5) Air filters: All air filters must remain as standard fitment, filter element may be changed provide that it is the same shape and fitment as the OEM filter/filters and elements, Air box lids may NOT be removed.



6) Fuel systems: All carburettors, EFI Throttle bodies and injector nozzles must remain as standard, carburettor main jets, pilot jets and needles may be changed, EFI fuel mapping modules may be used providing they are used in conjunction with and do not replace the OEM engine control unit (ECU) or computer and do alter ignition timing, duration, dwell or alter rev limits or rev limiters, no Aftermarket or Race kit ECU`s are permitted under any circumstances, Fuel as per GCR 12.9.



7) Suspension: Internal valving, oil, gas, pistons and springs may be changed. External springs may also be changed provided the same number of parts is used (I.e single rate spring replaces single rate etc.). All shock absorber bodies, shafts, assembled lengths, link`s, link ratio`s, mounting points and mounting components must remain as standard, no Aftermarket shock absorbers or suspension hardware can be used under any circumstances.



Wheels and Tyres: Tyres are free, Aftermarket wheels may be used provided they are of the same material, structure and offset as the OEM wheels, no wheels spacers or the reversing of rims is permitted.



9) Electrical systems; Tether type kill switches must be fitted and operational, all GLASS lenses must be removed, removal of all other lights, lenses and horns is recommended but not compulsory, switch assemblies may be removed or replaced to simplify their operation, any wiring removed from switch gear, lights etc. Must only be removed to the closest electrical connectors no cutting of the wiring loom is allowed except to facilitate the fitting of the tether type kill switch, no Race kit wiring looms are permitted, alternators, generators, regulators, rectifiers, batteries and ignition systems must remain as standard, no offset keyways, no Aftermarket ignition reluctors, igniters, electronic control units (ECU`S), CDI`s, ignition control units ( ICU`S), ignition coils, or timing alteration devises or modifications are permitted under any circumstances.



10) Cooling systems: Coolant as per GCR`s, all radiators, cooling fans and fins must remain as standard, radiator materials, mounting points, mounting hardware, hoses, thermostats or mechanical fans and any and all cooling ducting must remain as standard.



Footnote: If it has not been specifically allowed within these rules then you must assume it cannot be done
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[HSR]

Husky, If what you propose is only the non use of steering dampers, the restriction of handle bar diameter, the exclusion of Flexx bars , the compulsory use of standard resticted mufflers and the complsory use of air box lids then I can see no reason why these can`t be written into the supp regs for your events and published as such, any one from interstate contemplating competing in a NT Production Class event would surely have no trouble meeting those rule requirements. Good Luck and best wishes in your endevours to get this up and running.
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[HSR]

Husky, If what you propose is only the non use of steering dampers, the restriction of handle bar diameter, the exclusion of Flexx bars , the compulsory use of standard resticted mufflers and the complsory use of air box lids then I can see no reason why these can`t be written into the supp regs for your events and published as such, any one from interstate contemplating competing in a NT Production Class event would surely have no trouble meeting those rule requirements. Good Luck and best wishes in your endevours to get this up and running.
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[Quad Squad]

Good on you Husky for taking this on.

I only have one observation, and thats all it is. Do with it what you wish.

Why allow the changing of seat covers/material? a gripper cover can be quite an advantage. Fair enough that covers can be damaged in a crash but they should be replaced with the same material?

my 0.2cents
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[Huskygoat]

good work I missed that anymore?
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[Quad Squad]

Did you want to allow FMI's?

In No.6 it says they are allowed, in a roundabout way

They wont be needed without any mods.
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[Huskygoat]

I think so because motors are jetted to meet emissions not for riding
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[Linc]

Quad Squad wrote:

Did you want to allow FMI's? In No.6 it says they are allowed, in a roundabout way They wont be needed without any mods.

Yeah but to be fair if you can change jets on a carbied quad you should be able to adjust fuel on a FI model. Agreed that in most cases it is not needed but thats not the point. It will also make it easier to swap between classes.

[OZ_450]

cant have felxx bars but can mod the hell out of your shocks ?/

husky i said it before shocks no mods make em race em factory persons size is no excuse thats like saying some ppl have bad wrists why cant they have dampners and flexx bars

if ya gunna run sotck run stock shocks shocks make more of a diff then bars would gee what is it that you have moded shocks already husky or what"
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[ozquad44]

OK its been alluded to, opinions are like bums...

But I'd have to aggree, modifying shocks can become quite expensive, and done correctly can make a world of difference to your ride. So to get the edge, everyone will be piling the dollars into shock construction. Sort of conflicting with the intent of the class.

But if you look at the flip side, the shocks need to be serviced on a regular basis (OK fess up who hasn't touched their shocks since new). So how do you monitor the difference between shock modifications and normal servicing? Truth is you probably can't.

I'd suggest that the shock must use OEM components. That should be the limiting factor, and a fairly easy one to spot. On the outside at least. Play with oils and shim stacks all you want, Its your money.

As for the steering dampner. If anyone hasn't raced with a Steering dampner why not? I think it is a safety item as much as it is a racing aid. Especially for new comers to the sport.

I firmly believe that a steering dampner is as important as Nerf Bars and a lanyard.

I know it takes a lot of work in your own time to get these things off the ground and everyone has great ideas but no one is around to help out when it comes to the crunch. So I apologise for being just another voice on the net.

A stock class is great idea, and apart from safety gear, keep the quads as stock as you possibly can.
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[Linc]

I think the proposed rules strike a fair ballance between stock and the ability to adjust the quad to your own ability, weight and riding style.

Linc

[Quad Squad]

Huskygoat wrote:

I think so because motors are jetted to meet emissions not for riding

Linc wrote:

Yeah but to be fair if you can change jets on a carbied quad you should be able to adjust fuel on a FI model. Agreed that in most cases it is not needed but thats not the point. It will also make it easier to swap between classes.

Yep, fair enough. i was just throwing it out there, no arguments here.
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[bullet]

Linc wrote:

I think the proposed rules strike a fair ballance between stock and the ability to adjust the quad to your own ability, weight and riding style. Linc

I think Linc has it right there.
The proposed rule changes still contain a few little bits that individuals are still not happy with.
And they will always be different aspects too.
There are a few that I would like to see, but someone else would disagee.

I think these suggestions have found the happy medium.
And importantly, we look like we are about to take on some reasonably significant change, aimed at sport growth.
When it comes down to it, groups of human beings never love the idea of change, so that's a dam good achievement.

where do we sign....
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[cowchaser]

Sorry guys but I might be a narrow minded stubbon cow cocky from the bush, but I still think you have gone down the wrong path with this and I'm not going to budge. But if it's going to go this way I really hope it works for the good of the sport and we attract alot of new people to our communitee.

So what now? are you going to take it to the clubs? Or are you going to sit on it just hoping it will just happen
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