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[med6363]

probablly been asked a trillion times before but can some one tell me why are our quads not allowed on the road like normal dirt bikes with indicators etc to me there is no diffrence couldnt think of any thing better than cruising to work on my ds lol but really y not whats the laws stopping it as i understand quads from spain had to have things taken off them for bush riding as they are riden on the road over there is this true

[HSR]

There are NO quads manufactured by any Manufacturer that meet or exceed the ADR compliance standards that are nessessary to register motor vehicles in AUSTRALIA, FOR GENERAL ROAD USE you can get special rego`s for primary producers , councils , special services , that allow for conditional registration but these have strict guidlines that vary from state to state and if you are caught breaching them you can be booked for that contravetion.
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[med6363]

i do agree that there is no quads out there that are road ready how ever i believe when gas gas quads came into australia they have to be stripped of there indicators etc as they can be riden in spain on public roads i maybe wrong there but why not make ds650 s raptors ktm525 etc ridable on public roads as i see it no diffrent to a eg; wr 450 or can am spyder

[HSR]

Med 6363, yes you are correct , but you don`t have to remove those indicators, but indicators are not the criterea by whitch vehicles are judged to be safe on AUSTRALIAN roads, ADR`specify what is an acceptable level of engineering status for vehicles that wish to be registered in Australia, like it or not it is the standard that specifies whether a vehicle complies for registration or not . As it stands now with the laws in AUSTRALIA no quad made by any COMPANY meets or exceedes these standards, and as my memory can reflect the last time I hade any input into gaining ADR compliance it was about $15,000.00 per model. Not a figure most suppliers wish to spend on a low volume vehicle such as a Quad.
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[med6363]

ahhh i see sux really would be pretty good fun riding to work etc but i can see where you are coming from bit of a visious if thats how you spell it lol circle probablly more would buy quads if road registable then maybe worth the production companys adr ing them only prob i can think of some would ruin it with hooning lol however that happens what ever you are riding or driving

[ozquad44]

It is interesting to note that, BRP (among others) have registered trikes (two wheels up front), and many manufaturers have registered trikes (two wheels at the back), and lots of sidecars (two wheels on the side ) have been allowed to go on our roads.

Funny that our ADRs seem to have such a dim view of Quads. What with better steering and braking capabilities, more stability, and "potentially" better rider protection than the aformentioned contraptions. (i'm not trying to bash said contraptions BTW. Please take note of my avitar)

It is also funny to note that a disabled rider can register a quad for road use. Seems the same type of vehicle is a bit too dangerous for a fully able person.

It would be nice for one manufacturor to step up to the plate and register a Quad for road use. I'd put some money up for it. But I'm guessing that it's not physics stopping quads from being registered in this country. Its politics.
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[HSR]

It is not physics or politics it is simply that NO manufacturer makes a QUAD that complies to AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES , other types of vehicles if they are road registered DO comply fairly or unfairly as you see it, it is not up to the distributors to register a vehicle , they can only do that if it previous excemptions are meet by the local (state) registration authorities.
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[Dingo555]

HSR wrote:

It is not physics or politics it is simply that NO manufacturer makes a QUAD that complies to AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES , other types of vehicles if they are road registered DO comply fairly or unfairly as you see it, it is not up to the distributors to register a vehicle , they can only do that if it previous excemptions are meet by the local (state) registration authorities.

This has probably been asked before to, but what sort of specifications don't they meet ????
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[priesty]

HSR wrote:

It is not physics or politics it is simply that NO manufacturer makes a QUAD that complies to AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES , other types of vehicles if they are road registered DO comply fairly or unfairly as you see it, it is not up to the distributors to register a vehicle , they can only do that if it previous excemptions are meet by the local (state) registration authorities.

Hey Huey, is there a different set of ADR's for two & four wheel vehicles, because if there are then that's the problem, application of the wrong set, that's where the authorities need to reclassify quads as bikes rather than motor vehicles, hopefully the future influx of SSV's might force them to re-examine thier current vehicle classifications & create a new "ATV" class of vehicle, we live in hope.
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ADR....,POLITICS....dont th politicions make th adr's ???
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"priestyhopefully the future influx of SSV's might force them to re-examine thier current vehicle classifications & create a new "ATV" class of vehicle, we live in hope. cheers.......

SSV's Im behind on my TLA's priesty whats an SSV??
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[priesty]

side by side I meant , why are they called something else ?
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Okay, Ive always written it as SxS as I saw a magazine called that, but its all silly I agree, what happens if a single seater comes out??

Gunna call it a Side?
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[ozquad44]

Delete double post...numpty
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[ozquad44]

HSR wrote:

It is not physics or politics it is simply that NO manufacturer makes a QUAD that complies to AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES , other types of vehicles if they are road registered DO comply fairly or unfairly as you see it, it is not up to the distributors to register a vehicle , they can only do that if it previous excemptions are meet by the local (state) registration authorities.

I didn't say anything about distributors registering vehicles... I said Manufacturors.

And I'm pretty sure there are no ADRs that refer to registering quads, It would require a change in legislation, Ie politics. What do you think happened in europe.

At the end of the day, I was just making an observation. Don't get so cranky HSR
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[LC4]

Just got back from Europe and I saw quads on the road in a few countries one of which I snaped a photo of in England.
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[yogie]

In europe they are reg because of the big merge of al, the countries they had a few years back, other wise it would of never happened in the ol dart. And lets face it the car companyshere would block any ADR's being aproved for quads,

SO it will NEVER NEVER happen here, shame realy.
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[hammer686]

maybe i'm missing something but what's the big attraction to road reg quads? not much fun riding straight axle quad on bitumin & those with diffs are built for rougher terrain.
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[HSR]

I`m not cranky and I don`t understand why you would think I am, but the polititions don`t write or even debate ADR`s it is all done by the bureacrats within the relevent government departments then the minister rubber stamps their recomendations, also I said distributors because there are no motorcycle or quad manufacturers in Australia only distributors ,there are no ADR`s relating to quads in Australia because no manufactuer has applied for any, yes Priesty the ADR`s are different for motorcycles, cars , trucks tractors etc. To all the others who might ask Australian Design Rules only apply to vehicles to be registered in Australia, whatever happens in other countries is because of their rules and laws and has no influence or causual effect in OZ. Ihope this clears up any misunderstanding.
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[WHATEVER]

hammer686 wrote:

maybe i'm missing something but what's the big attraction to road reg quads? not much fun riding straight axle quad on bitumin & those with diffs are built for rougher terrain.

I am afraid I must agree ... Quads where not designed to run on the road. There is no advantage, that I can see. Like tweelies (2-wheelers) can zip in and out of cars, thus creating less of a traffic problem (not that I agree with half quads moving in and out of the traffic!!).

There is less around you, so less safty, and the solid axle make for turning etc a very difficult affair!! Just an opinion.
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Hmmm, for what its worth I'd like to see it happen, tommorrow.

I acknowledge HSR's points on govt and he and others points on technology. I know its a battle to be fought at beauracratic levels and against lobbyists, but the governments green paper gives us some advantages there just because of the fact there is no such thing as a single seater car!

It would be easier to introduce a whole new range of vehicles than it would be to throw money at static infrastructure that cant be moved and has 25year payback periods. Train networks, Highways, tunnels, nobody has the same destiation each time so static infrastructure is actually a waste of resources after you reach some level of usage (lack of that is).

I have a road motorcycle license and I dont know that anyone would claim that two wheels are safer than 4 when the vehicle is purpose built. I dont know what a single seated vehicle will finally be with 4 wheels but as far as safety goes we build safety cocooons for F1 driver that are 600mm across approx. But the safety level of 4 wheels alone warrants it to me, the vehicle being purpose built for that use.

I see more vehicles like the Can-Am Spyder and the addition of that 4th wheel not as a matter technology or current car manufacturers lobbying or govts, but just a matter of time. Just as now we are begining to see a range of electric scooters and hybrid cars governments will come to support 4wheel single or double seat vehicles. Thats just me being a futurist.

The technology is here right now. Personally I'd have no problems putting road tyres on Bullets Speedway TRX and take it on the road. But we have many much better contenders mainly using IRS that could be lowered, worked on ergonomically and have much better "Motorbikes", as well as a zippier single seated vehicle. Using less fuel, less wear n tear on roads etc etc. Its no riskier than whats already out there and in fact is probably a safer solution on road as they are off road.

With the advent of the new Gilera etc "leanable" twin front wheel setup and electric scooters a vehicle that disabled people coulg take on the road and ride straight into your local shopping centre is a security device locking them to 14kph in the centre, they'd be no wider than current 4 wheel nanna mobiles.

So it wont be tommorrow, but if you do something that makes sense today and it gets knocked back yet it sticks in a kids head, it only 20 years til he'll be the one making the decisions. So maybe I wont be young enough to enjoy it to its full potential anymore, but that doesnt mean, it doesnt make sense or is the right thing to do.

With major manufacturers like BMW kicking into the concept the steps of inevitability are ringing in the corridor I feel.

But once again thats just some thoughts and an opinion and not putting down anyone else's point of view. Or certainly any explaination as to why we dont have quads on our roads as that wasnt the basis of my commentary.
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[WHATEVER]

Thanks very much for that reply geeman1969!!

To be honest, i had never thought about it on them lines. I had a one track view of "why do we want (current) quads on the roads ???". And you are totally right ... make a "road" quad and you are off.

To be honest the quad platform lends VERY well to electric motors. The quad is a lot lighter and ready NOW. Sure, the electric motors and batteries are not ready, but again, it is a journey, a process, we need to start somewhere, and move on from there!!

I think you actually have started something (for me) there!! I think that once BMW sees that people are riding dirt quads ... they WILL put money into R&D and build a road one!! Imagine a quad with the 135 motor in it ...

Again, thanks very much for that geeman1969... I really see the opportunity!!
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[LC4]

hammer686 wrote:

maybe i'm missing something but what's the big attraction to road reg quads? not much fun riding straight axle quad on bitumin & those with diffs are built for rougher terrain.

I think it all comes down to personal choice, a lot of people could be driving / riding more practical vehicles on the road but most choose something that apeals to thier liking, for example Hummers and custom choppers.

[nazzame]

The picture of quad is a Dinli dmx 450, there wouldnt be a problem with a straight axel quad on the road , i have ridden a quad on the road 500 kays sealed and unsealed back in 01 ,they were transport sections to get to comp sections in 24hr road trail 1000 kays all up , i have done this event 6 times on a outfit , and felt safer on a quad then an outfit , felt just as safe on my quad as i do in my car. be good to hear what the guys who do the safari say about ridding on public roads.

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

I did write another very good section on where to find made for road quads, electric quads ( i posted one in 4x4 forum) and the dangers of "invisible" electric cars coz they make no noise, but it was too clever and deep for the computer and it blew up trying to post.

Either that or the server said I just cant compute this concept, it soooo crap!!

I went to rewrite it but brilliance is a once in a lifetime opportunity...
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