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[vjcrose]

Huskygoat wrote:

Thanks for the help. For some reason we struggle getting 200-300 juniors here in Darwin. At best 4-5 and Locky Stone is the National Champ . WE have a ruling from MA to run Womens and 200 in the same race. So the classes for Joe Byrd so far PRO Clubmen Vets Womens & J200 Juniors First prize is a pet croc ? great for dog and cat control! Thanks Huskygoat Territory Quad Association

pet croc - on ya goat that just turned most people away - and linc says I'm as mad as a two bob watch

Mrs Gaitar is right Locky was the 90cc champ last year but has had to move up to 200cc this year due to the MA regs on his age. Slight oversight goat which may upset people. he just said he will beg your forgiveness when we cruise into town on the safari.... will you be around mrs gaitar?

Locky is going to WA even though the NT Titles are on the same weekend.

our ma officials are able to make temporary exemptions based on the number nominations on the day in question. I was the only female nominating for several years but stoney asked for the exemption to put the 200cc jnr (2-3) with women (me). All of a sudden heaps of girls came out of the woodwork - they say they never wanted to race against the boys trying to prove their testosterone. Don't get me wrong these girls are very competitive but dislike the filling in and dirty moves that the guys sometime feel "proves their manliness". If you want to see the worth of a real man just see how he reacts when a girl beats him. some are real ####s about it. It has been great for the sport here however these classes by themselves would not have the numbers to race independently and if these girls had to go in with the guys they would drop out. Previously we had trouble with the 90cc class numbers and now we have a full grid.

Thankfully our MA understands that it is in everyones best interest to grow the sport safely in a controlled environment rather than impose strict rules which encourage people away to trouble.
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[vjcrose]

I suppose this is a dumb question however normally new people to the sport start on a 2nd hand ride. so how many secondhand quads are still stock?
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I chose ladies and ill prob still get my ass kicked.....

[bullet]

I'd guess most ex race bikes (second hand) are sold as stock.
Most people transfer all the hot stuff to their next model.
In any case all those standard mufflers are sitting on somebodies shed floor.

Good point though.

I just think it would be a good idea if our current classes could be seperated by machinery ability as well as rider ability.

When you get faster move onward and upward.

The way it is now there is nothing between lap times for a lot of the classes.
expert, vets, production (QRCV allows slip ons etc) and clubman are all within a few seconds of each other.

Is 30hp enough for a club level rider?
Does everyone in any class need a 50hp Pro bike to get a look at a podium?
What is best for our sport?

Standard Clubman is just an idea, and one that would need to be carefully slid into place.
But I think it would be great for the 'future' of our sport.
I don't know... class changes will allways be dificult and recieve lots of opposition from some who are already out there racing.
change management and acceptance is allways hard.

But look what happened to womens racing in NT, by VJ's example.
Are less intimidating entry level classes the go?
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there is no CORRECT formula when determining what classes to provide. just a ball park shot at catering for the majority, plus a level suitable for first timers. trust me, if you listen to a loud minority , you end up creating a class for them , and then barely make the minimum numbers required for that class to run. thus also taking numbers away from a class or 2 that could do with a couple more riders to make it interesting
having said that though, i no longer ride at our mx events coz the class i would have ridden in has been sacrificed for the sake of an extra class, as i am no mx racer, i was taking part in a novice category, to give newcomers the chance to try first before they actually raced, and my inclusion in this class meant that even the slowest of the slow newcomer, wouldn't have been discouraged by coming last in the field, that was my spot. so we now have a quadlites class, that caters for experienced riders who dont want to race long races such as the clubbies and experts have, and at our last meeting, the lites had only 3 riders

so there is no right answer, go with what suits the majority of your rider base.

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

I like gravedigger and bullett have made some posts recently about the success of our sport only coming through growth of numbers through the door. Even if I have made my posts silly lil ones about flattrack racing!! lol (Still argue that'd be ace as)

If we want more racers we must have easier racing classes to get into. That has but one answer, a production class where no matter the money you have the race is determined by rider ability. Its happened very successfully for Roas Racing through their Prod 250 category in which nearly every world class Australian champ was blooded. And its cheap. You can do a season on 10 grand, you can also do a season on 20 if you want to, but its readily accessable. Racing itself is an intergral part of growth as is future success of our riders which in road racing is devloped in the hellfire that is 250 proddy.

Is it the 250 class we put them i or the 200? Do we have a big enough 200 for a old teen young adult to fit on? If not do we build up a set of 200cc raptor/yzf/choice of std 250? framed quads by sourcing a standard engine?

We need to be able to blood people at an age where they can decide their own fiscal situation to race, so this age group must be catered for. Maybe juniors who have done 90 - 200cc racing must skip prodey class then and go straight to clubman or higher.

We must have juniors but 90's n 200's cannot race side to side.

We need a proddy class. Its a given, we must have new entrants like any growing business they have to be able to make their way through the door. Probably by a combination of education and experience people must be grown into the sport.

Vets (like me) may have to accept clubman, as may women, we dont have sexism in car racing why is it in motorcycle racing?

Experts and pro's will ahve to go together. Any pro should be able to work his way successfully through trafic or he's not a pro and any expert shouyld be able to get out of the road or he's not an expert and should be relegated to clubman.

And who gives a fruitbasket about where they come in clubman or any class as long as your having fun, that is what sport is about after all.

Fun for you equals fun for the crowd, it does transmit itself.

Hard to squash 2 junior events into 5, Thats how I would do it if I had 5 but if its a long term thing I would not accept and ruling on 5 classes only.

And I'd love to see one off special events/or a series like completely open class quads, no powers restrictions just race safety measures. Or my maligned little 150-250cc drifters!

Trail racing events are also a must.

So where are we now 9 classes?

If its 5 Ive put in my two bobs for a one off event, and if its for the whole season we have to offer a lot more racing than that.

Just do what makes sense i believe.

Gavin ( I havent even got a quad yet)
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vjcrose wrote:

I suppose this is a dumb question however normally new people to the sport start on a 2nd hand ride. so how many secondhand quads are still stock?

I just saw this after the 5 minutes it took me to write my post. Well the answer is heaps when you have a proddy category, how do you think the Road Racers get them? They buy a guys who's moving up a class.
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[vjcrose]

re secondhand quads
just a thought cause every 2nd hand quad Goat has brought me has had non stock extras added pre our ownership. The banshee I had at one stage was pretty extreme.
Also every quad we have ever sold has not been stock - for example our 2006 outlaw 500 had an exhaust and vortex - it was not worth taking off the bike as they do not fit our new quads

If you start running strict hp/cc classes then you will need to pull the motors down before presentation like in the go-carts. like I have been told the tp300 was limited to cc however the 4x4 class $300 1st prize was awarded to a detuned quad - if 2nd/3rd/4th wanted to be picky they may have applied for a MA investigation regarding whether this quad should win under the strict regulations of cubic capacity. Just my stating this will piss people off however it is an example of where extra hassle could be created for everyone due to capacity classing.

the 5 class limit is for a particular event not for ever.

women class - I can and have competed against men however I believe most Olympic sports and many others do have this devision between the sexs. even if you don't like it - men and women have differences. and it's a way of allocation just like age, color, cc, style, etc. Many women are turned off racing against men due to the ego of some - and please don't misunderstand me - I realise there are some b~~~~s amongst the girls too, however the men I have seen are more likely than the girls to be rough on the track. I tend to avoid these men cause I have 4 daughters who depend upon me after the race - I can't afford to be hurt
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Maybe your 06 Outlaw 500 standard exhaust and std ignition was lying right there on the floor next to the quad when you bought it.

I've got all my stock stuff for every bike I owned, unless I handed it to the new owner.

Internal engine mods would be hard to police.
But would we go that far.
It would be 'Clubman' why cheat.

If any one was interested in my 730cc Renegade at tp300 they asked.
If anyone wanted to inspect it, We could have shown them the original 800 barrel and pointed out the edge of the different head gasket.
We didn't have to go that far because it was all honest.
If we really need to bother though, there are a few other measures.
4 strokes can be liquid measured for cubic capacity too.
Failing that for a National title, if you can't convince officials, I guess you go the strip down (not so bad on an air cooled Jumbo).

Quads in a new 'Production - Clubman' class would probably only need a basic eye over, and maybe the 3 podium bikes get a 5 minute questioning and more thorough external inspection.
There are plenty of dude's out there that can tell if an engine has been played with.
And if they were production... an official could hold any two same model bikes and test ride them for obvious differences.
We won't need to pull every entrants engine down every race.

Who really cares anyway, If you cheat... good on ya, you're a hero.

I would still like to see a lot more trail riders comfortably having a go at MX at a more evenly matched clubman level.
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[yogie]

geeman1969 wrote:

Trail racing events are also a must.

almost like a endro with log Xings creeks and the like, Grizzly mentioned some thing like in one of his posts. The Qrcv tried to arrange a series like that one year, didnt last long though...
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I guess Yogie when it comes down to it, the rec boys will have to vote with their feet when it comes to racing, you cant run a race without numbers so if a race is organised every man and his pup should turn up for a bash.

Kinda like a sit-in but a sit-on, where you may not be competitive but you are REPRESENTED. As bullett said change management is pretty damn hard, you can make some of the people happy some of the time and not all of the people happy any of the time.

Damn Id ride a slalom event if that was called trail racing just to make sure it had happened and that people voted with their feet.

Im not saying anything will come easy just that it will if we will.
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Well I am only speaking for myself now... And this is my own opinion and EVERYONE does what they want and suits there own interests and pursuits. having now clarafied that.

I find racing like chasing a tail, around and around you go, enduro on the other hand has a wider apeal to me, at least it has some of the things I like doing on the trail, mind you I tried and failed misrably at TP300 but i loved it, had a ball. So I doubt if the trail riders would ever take on one class for a season, maybe a race or two to say "i did it" like the TP300 But we dont like constraints or rules and whil there's a bit of competive spritit in us all, there's no first or last place on trail ride, we all start and we all finish together Simple as that. No I think the MX'ers and trail riders will always agree to disagree, and I wonder where all old racers go... to the trails of course...
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[v8toy]

why cant we go back a few years on 2 wheelers and yes i know we ride four wheels. when i started racing seniors (16 years+) there was the 125cc class then there was 250cc class with the likes of kx500's , cr250's etc etc then there was the faster riders that graded themselves or ma officials did it as either A, B or C grade (which i guess is clubman). A and B grades raced together and C grade and vets rode together.

Then u have the womens class wether people like it or not and for the interest of the sport to get women into racing it is the only way. Its hard enough to get my missus out on the track next to vjcrose let alone next to a line of male quad riders sorry vj lol

then obviously the 90cc juniors then 200-250cc juniors





A and B grade 450cc 4 strokes or 350cc 2 strokes etc etc
C (clubmen) and vets on the same sorta capacity bikes
Women all capacity
90cc juniors
200-250cc junior
ag quads


so thats 8 classes i can come up with everyones cattered for but yes u do then have the added factor if u dont get enough numbers for each class then the likes of ag quads can run with clubmen maybe and like we have in the nt women with 200-250cc juniors and A and B can even run with the clubmen if need be to let everyone one have a ride get value for money and most of all HAVE FUN

obviously with things like states and national titles ofcourse there is gonna have to be each and every class possible to keep the peace so to speak but thats to be expected after all the entry numbers would more than likely be there
for the majority of us we just wanna ride with mates etc on the track

theres just to many people complainin and bitchin keeping it simple is the easiest way and the people that wanna cry will just have to be told to grow up

man i feel a little better now i had my 2 bobs
cheers
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yogie wrote:

enduro on the other hand has a wider apeal to me, at least it has some of the things I like doing on the trail, mind you I tried and failed misrably at TP300 but i loved it, had a ball.

Couldnt agree more I think a trail course should be ther same as a trail course for those fat tyre pushbikes, whatever thats called. There sahould be a mixture of all trail elements, rocks, logs, puddles, jumps, slaloms and strights. And whatever else I missed.

Hmm finding some land? Always an issue but there is always a solution.
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[vjcrose]

ah V8toy - bit mean to send your missus out on that track first off... it is one of the most demanding in NT - even the Roma track for last years Qld titles is not that punishing. Has she picked up her trophy yet?

Re trail riding - here we are pretty lucky. Our club applies for an exemption from MA to be about to run the big can ams too. We have 5 per year under DMCC - 1 is our kamfari (mud 4x4), Boulderdash (2 days) and 3 pony express which can be completed by all standards of quads these have creek crossings, long straights, hill climbs, tight trees, rough and fasst bits. Then we have the black KORMAS club at katherine - they do between 3 and 6 pony express style endros which have the long straights, dry creek beds, dam wall climbs, tight trees, rock wall climb etc etc. all quads are able to complete these events also. We have a lot of big kwakas and canams around here and they love to mix with the yamies, outlaws etc oh I forgot - and you V8toy on that new KTM you just gotta learn to control all that awesome power. ACTUALLY last KORMAS endro - Mark Allcorn on his girlfriends Yam 450 beat Waldo Hussey (one of OZ's top riders - in my OP) on a big canam by half a lap Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Waldo's but it is good to see the can am team have a bit of competition as they are the best and only brand to buy - just ask them. But I agree with Mark's missus = not bad for a girl's quad....
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v8toy wrote:

man i feel a little better now i had my 2 bobs

Sine I had two bobs earlier does that mean we have 4 bobs in the kitty or didya just swipe my two bobs and puit it back with your own dissertation?? lol

So we should all move to NT where jobs are plentiful, you get rain 6 months a year and theres more places to ride quads that you can poke a stick at?

Id be there tommorrow but I have a wife and kid who may not follow (now is that a good thing?? lol)

What we do need to do locally, statewide and federally is make a common stance, and even if you only agree with it 80%, suck it up and push it. Rule number one, get it in then you can always stretch the rules bit by bit.

Who is ATV Aus? Im pretty ignorant of local, state and federal heirarchies yet.
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[vjcrose]

geeman1969 wrote:

So we should all move to NT where jobs are plentiful, you get rain 6 months a year and theres more places to ride quads that you can poke a stick at? Id be there tommorrow but I have a wife and kid who may not follow (now is that a good thing?? lol) Who is ATV Aus? Im pretty ignorant of local, state and federal heirarchies yet.

do you mean MA australia? otherwise I second that question - whoo is ATV Aust?

NT suits us but each to his own.... if anyone on this forum comes to darwin they are welcome to contact us....
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There is seriously not a controlling body at a national level??

My oath no-wonder this sport has gone no-where near the gang busters it should have if we cant lobby at a federal political level.

Somebody should do something about it, oh wait, im in the group of somebody arent I?

Well I should say somebody ELSE! hehe

Well even I will not step away from it, Im somebody I'll try to have something happen about it, even if my best is just to say it should happen.

How can we possibly be having a "Nationals" when there is not actually a National sport!
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[v8toy]

geeman1969 wrote:

v8toy wrote: man i feel a little better now i had my 2 bobs Sine I had two bobs earlier does that mean we have 4 bobs in the kitty or didya just swipe my two bobs and puit it back with your own dissertation?? lol So we should all move to NT where jobs are plentiful, you get rain 6 months a year and theres more places to ride quads that you can poke a stick at? Id be there tommorrow but I have a wife and kid who may not follow (now is that a good thing?? lol) What we do need to do locally, statewide and federally is make a common stance, and even if you only agree with it 80%, suck it up and push it. Rule number one, get it in then you can always stretch the rules bit by bit. Who is ATV Aus? Im pretty ignorant of local, state and federal heirarchies yet.

4bobs it is i dont theive of others lol
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[vjcrose]

hey V8toy - you shoulda come to Katherine for the ride instead of the v8's. Huskygoat won the day, blitzing us all on the outlaw!!!! eek eek eek I came 2nd eek and Daryl on the Can Am came 3rd with tjnough - tim on the yamie in 4th. Waldo hit a roo on the 1st lap but by the 6th lap he and Dean on the other Canam had smoked their brand new belts.
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