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[bno12a]

I dont have anything to do with people on this forum who are dealing with NPWS or the worimis to sort out issue's so today i made some calls & found out that you need a NPWS permit (beach permit) when you drive past that sign on lavis lane, that goes for all vehicles, confirmed by Peta Morris at worimi head quarters. Now that also means that we can use our Rva vehicals from that sign as that is where the RVA access road starts.
I have all the rego & permits for my bike as do most people so from now on i will be parking on the public road side of the sign pushing my bike 3 meters & riding from there, I said exactly that to the nice lady at council & she said that was fine no problems.
This aswell as other pictures & statements are being put together with a letter outlining the issue's that we are going through also the $100 000 improvements we can all see (coruption???). the size, location & safty issue's concerning the RVA area & being sent to state members of parliment to see if they even know whats goin on up there.
If you read this also ring council 3 times a week & ask them the same question about the permit wont take long for them to have the shits with npws or worimis. PEOPLE POWER is the only way.

[Ozpilot]

I thought about this too. Will they then book you pushing it from the trailer to the sign as you have an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle on a public road? I think it is likely the police will start waiting for people on their way out if they start noticing trailers or utes parked outside the RV area.

This idea of having to get a permit for a tow vehicle is pretty amazing. I have often borrowed vehicles to tow toys to the dunes. Do I have to get a permit for each? Seems incredible!

Or should we look at it as a $10 (for up to 3 days or $30 per year) parking permit? If Lavis Lane is well maintained and the car park is large and secure that may be worth it? (I haven't seen either since the work has been done.) When I look at it like that, I know $10 is a drop in the ocean compared to the real cost of riding for a day (or weekend) - especially if you tow two toys with that vehicle.

Just throwing a few ideas around.

[PC]

A mate of mine told me he was talking to a lady the other day when he was dropping his kids off at school, she said she was fined for parking in the car park last week for not having a beach permit.
My response was, "no, that couldn't be right," but maybe it was.

Wow!

[bno12a]

Yes you would have to get a permit for each vehical or get 1 & swop it car to car.
It is not a motor vehical you carnt rego it or insure it for the road. They pieces of sporting equipment, last time i checked no laws stopping you moving sporting equipment around the side of the road in a safe manner. If they do start to wait for people then wait kind of AUSSIE are they when there is so many other more important social issue's to go & deal with, drunk idiots in town at night is a major 1.
You mite be happy paying for nothing, were will the 24hr security guard be, or the lines in the dirt showing you were to park, the fresh water taps or even decent garbage bins, the only thing the changes will be good for is the gravel & sand natzi's check points, i would rather go see one of the home owners & offer them 50 a year to park in there yard.
That ten bucks get my bike there & back, so now its twenty hey, i work for myself every dollar counts.

[muzzle]

[quote="Ozpilot"]I thought about this too. Will they then book you pushing it from the trailer to the sign as you have an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle on a public road?

There is no law saying you can not push your bike on a public road. HOWEVER.... its not allowed to be operated...SO YES push it to the dirt and happy trails.
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[Aussieduner]

Now these people are charging for everything to do with riding at the dunes, including parking , will they be putting a fee on any sand you may accidently take home on your ATV ?
Or it will be speed limits on the dunes with fixed cameras to fine you for going too fast, oops there's another money grab they havent thought of yet.......
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[HondaGrant]

A permit to park in the carpark what a scam .
The rangers I've spoke to over the last few weeks seem pretty reasonable but all it takes is one person to piss them off and everyone parked in the carpark without a beach permit is gunna get slapped with a fine.
It will probably end up like other National Parks were theres a boom gate at the entrance and if you don't have permits you dont get in.....
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[quote="muzzle"]

Ozpilot wrote:

I thought about this too. Will they then book you pushing it from the trailer to the sign as you have an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle on a public road? There is no law saying you can not push your bike on a public road. HOWEVER.... its not allowed to be operated...SO YES push it to the dirt and happy trails.

a few months back a local over here got done for pushing unreg dirtbike down the roadside - court said must be transported on reg/lic vehicle.
fun police every where nowdays
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[muzzle]

YOUR F#*KING KIDDING.
UNBELIEVEABLE. THE COPPER HAD TO GO TO THE BACK TRACKS OF WILLIAMTOWN JUST TO GET HIS QUOTA UP !!!!!! JEEEZ , CRIME IN TOWN MUS"NT BE ALL THAT BAD NOW .
COULD SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THIS AS I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE MALL OR CIVIC PARK AT NIGHT WITHOUT THE THOUGHT OF BEING ROLLED !!!!
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its all good. its just a bit dirty !!!

[Aussieduner]

muzzle wrote:

YOUR F#*KING KIDDING. UNBELIEVEABLE. THE COPPER HAD TO GO TO THE BACK TRACKS OF WILLIAMTOWN JUST TO GET HIS QUOTA UP !!!!!! JEEEZ , CRIME IN TOWN MUS"NT BE ALL THAT BAD NOW . COULD SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THIS AS I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE MALL OR CIVIC PARK AT NIGHT WITHOUT THE THOUGHT OF BEING ROLLED !!!!

Hey let me know when your coming to town so i can roll you to pay for my parking at Lavis Lane
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[bno12a]

i didnt know that the intension of npws & worimis was to turn us into robbing theives like aussie dunner , but they dont care were the money comes from as long as they get more more more $ forcing people to do more irrational things to pay them, thats got to good for society.

[BC250R]

Its probably all my fault Sorry
I did say in the other post
" What's next? Parking meters in the carpark!"
As we all know, they do look here. but i didn't think they would take me seriously. Though they were clever enough to implement the idea without the expense of installing the meters.

This all begs the question, Is this all about conserving sacred land or is it about revenue? The carpark does not seem culturely significant to me, but i'm sure the dollars will be put into improving the facilities. NOT!
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[BC250R]

Just had another thought!

Maybe the 4wd's arn't culling us quickly enough for them in the RVA slaughter zone so they've thought maybe we'll make them push their bikes through a narrow corridor of death instead?
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[BC250R]

I just went to the NPWS website to see if i could find any info and i noticed in the left column "careers".
Followed the links and found 4 pages of jobs up for grabs, apart from 1 job for just under $50K per year, all positions netted between $70k to $120K with the majority being over $89k and a hell of a lot at $100K plus.

I think i have found why they need to turn us upside down and shake us till our pockets are empty.

Have a look for yourself!
http://jobs.nsw.gov.au/JobList.asp?AgencyId=63
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[Hulk]

I went up to stock from Sydney last weekend and there where 2 lovely ladies in uniform at the entre, as i was unloading they came over checked the permits and rego and told us we did not have a problem they even took photos of the bikes with the rego and permits on display possibly as an example..... as we where getting ready i ute drove up and they checked the rego and permit and let them pass all good but they had 4 passangers in the back of the ute. YES IN THE TRAY OF THE UTE. They let them pass and did not make the other passangers get out of the back. WTF is going on.

We came back for lunch and had another chat with the same rangers and she was watching as we replaced a clutch cable on a bike. we then went for another ride and came back about 3pm loaded the bikes got ready to go home after a beautiful days rid minus a flip with me and my wife on her quad and found a fine on our front window for not displaying a beach permit. if i had known i would have bought on why couldnt this lovley lady no turned B#@%h tell us rather than supprise us

Just my 5 cents worth. I thought the carpark was lavis lane and you did not need one. I since called and made a complaint and they want it in wrighting. To be continued...

[Oldrodder]

Lavis Lane actually turns into Stockton Bight Track and then Macs Track, according to a NSW map.

[OZ_450]

what are costs now for you to ride there?

cost for a mxer is ..... $300 for a licence there abouts , $60 per event to enter with state titles and nats being more , memberships to a club or clubs is around $100 a family per year

what are your regos and stuff worth a year?? just curious is all
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[Oldrodder]

A quad RVA is $450 plus $30 for the permit for the year, but it sounds like what they want is a permit for the tow vehicle even if it is incapable of going on the beach.
I think a lot of people will park on the border and push their quads in.

[shagger]

Once everyone starts parking outside, how long will it be until Port Stephens council put in no parking signs?

[OZ_450]

so in all honesty it works out cheaper then it does to race ?

and you guys are still complaining ? jeez honestly it is motorsport wether you race or ride for fun and any motor sport isnt cheap ...... so for under $500 a year or even $800 abouts you can ride every day ? hmm come race a quad for a year think if i do state title and nats im up around $1500 with licence and entries thats for hmm 18 days a year at 3 some times 4 races of 4 laps on a track .... my choice and am happy to pay it. if it is something you really enjoy no amount of money is going to make you complain

not trying to cause a arguement or nothing like that but maybe you guys need a time out like i had as most times when stockton is mentioned it is to whinge or complain it is motorsport time to relize it isnt cheap
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[Jamie]

I think all your going to be seeing now is people pushing there bikes onto the gravel road.You will be seeing me doing that every weekend now...lol

[Oldrodder]

So next time you go racing OZ450 you'll be happy to pay an entree fee for your tow vehicle as well, even though it only towed the quad to where it will be raced.

We are happy to pay for the item we are using but can't see why we need to get a permit for something that is not capable of even going on the beach.

[shagger]

Oz i can understand your point, but those fees cover insurance, upkeep of tracks, organisation of events and prizes for the event. With stockton there is no upkeep of the beach(except tracks in and out) no prizes and our insurance would be useless if anyone was to make a claim.
The main gripe is that they are trying to make us pay for a permit that allows us onto the beach just to use the carpark. Most of the cars that are used for towing are not 4wd's therefore are never going to get out onto the sand.

It would be better if someone from either NWPS or Worrimi council joined our forum and had some input into the discussions that have been going on and told us honestly what their intentions are for the future of stockton bight.

Shannon

[shagger]

Sorry i've sort of doubled up on what oldrodder said. I must have been typing at the same time he was.

[Gravedigger]

As someone from outside of NSW I think you guys are luuuuckyyyy to
even have such a perfect LEGAL place to ride. If my family could be provided with such a place by our state govt. I would happily pay the
relatively small amounts that many people seem to be complaining about.
Let's be honest here, if a few hundred $ makes it unaffordable then maaybe motorsport is not really an affordable sport as we all know what
it can cost and is by far a cheap or average cost sport.
In Victoria we have NO LEGAL riding areas for quads provided by our great govt., your only option is to ride on private property or run the risk
or participate in competition,currently only MX on offer on regular basis.
I did notice the comment that we have insurance and pay for track prep. and maintenance etc. The reallity is 99% of track work is done by club
volunteers and at nearly every meet riders share corner duty so as racing
can go ahead. INSURANCE, what do you mean. Unless you are either
killed, quadraplegic or have your limbs cut off you get NOTHING. I have
unfortunately found this out after a 3 month hospitalization following an
accident at a MX meet. In Vic. if you have rec. rego on a trail bike and have a accident in a legal riding area you have full TAC insurance cover
which is really the ducks guts. Does your rec. rego. provide you with similar cover to that of normal road rego, one would hope so, that's why
we pay it.

Cheers Dean.