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[old55]

Well after some long deliberations with MA they are finally here - please click on the link below for the Supp Regs and Entry forms.

We look forward to seeing everyone over here in the West for 2 great days of racing.

Should you have any queries please do not hesitate to contact us for any questions that may arise, as I am sure there will be a few.

Cheers

Leanne B


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[cowchaser]

Can someone tell me the Prodution class rules please?
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[PeteW]

cowchaser wrote:

Can someone tell me the Prodution class rules please?

yeah, I would have thought after all the back and forth about the prod class rules they would have at least ended up in the supp regs.
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[old55]

Production will be addressed next week and bulletins with regards to that particular class will follow.

[47industries]

We had our QuadridersSA club meeting last night, and from the information Luddy has received, the Production class has been replaced with a Stock class. As far as what that means, I'm not sure. Perhaps just a name change, but the rules as to what mods you can do are:
Can change: Tyres, bars, cut plastics.
Must have: Nerfs, bar ends and kill switch.
Cannot: remove air box lid, change muffler or anything else.
My memory is pretty.......sorry what was I talking about again? So could someone please confirm this?
Mick@47
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[PeteW]

47industries wrote:

We had our QuadridersSA club meeting last night, and from the information Luddy has received, the Production class has been replaced with a Stock class. As far as what that means, I'm not sure. Perhaps just a name change, but the rules as to what mods you can do are: Can change: Tyres, bars, cut plastics. Must have: Nerfs, bar ends and kill switch. Cannot: remove air box lid, change muffler or anything else. My memory is pretty.......sorry what was I talking about again? So could someone please confirm this? Mick@47

that wasnt the point mick, I know all that, but why arent they in the supp regs already.
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[cowchaser]

If so that is the dumbest idea i've ever herd of and the class will die out in the future.
You must be allowed to change your jetting, throw the lid to the shithouse and run a slip on.
This class is for attracting new people to our sport and no one will want to get involved if your not even allowed to make some bugdet changes to your bike.
Have a look in the states I think they run a class like that there and it has nearly no support.
Can somone tell me who is making these decions
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[47industries]

Sorry Pete, I'll shut up now! (he say's as he wipes a lone tear from the corner of his eye). Look what you've done now, you've gone and made me all sad.
Mick@47
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[47industries]

Sorry smitty, I know this is serious stuff, but I just think it's piss funny that you misspelt the word heard as HERD....as in cows......get it? Ok, it wasn't that funny.
Mick@47
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[fourtrax]

these rules are discussed by the quad advisory committee for which each state has a representative, once an agreement has been concluded the head of the committee then advises ma of what they think should happen.
(this is from what i know, anyway)

so, i would say this ruling is from the quad advisory committee.
to me anyway, a stock class is exactly that, stock. if you add an aftermarket pipe then its not stock?

smitty might be right though, maybe we should be looking towards the states for guidance. " its not for me to wonder why, but to do or die"!

over and out
jaden

[old55]

Ok - one step at a time:

The rules for production class "Do not" have to be in the supp regs, and cant be put into the supp regs until the Chairperson for the NQAC forwards the requested bulletin to the organisers of the event upon All States with thier delgates answers to all related questions within the Production Class. Remembering this debate has been in topic for nearly 3 months.

As for The class dying out - please remember this is a National Event not a Clubrun, the Production class is set for those that can just afford a new bike without the performance parts and want to participate in the Nationals but not be disadvantaged or put off by much faster and performance enhanced bikes at this level.

There are going to be many people who will not be happy but thier views should have been aired through their NQAC Reps, but as stated in the supp regs surely there is a class for everyone to participate in.

At least with a National set of rules being in place guidelines can be followed rather than nothing to be in place and no-one knowing what they have to follow or making rules up as they go along.

Cheers

Leanne

PS Get behind your NQAC Rep, generally its the small minority that help with decissions. Its like most sports everyones blind, deaf and voiceless until something happens to upset the apple cart. Sorry but thats my observation and I am only a mother, aunty, wife and sister, but one that strongly follows my children and family members in a growing sport and needs to know what is happening and how it effects them

[cowchaser]

I agree we do need a national standard for national races and I think you guys are doing a good job. But plaese remember to use your common sence when making decions.
Just think would you like to ride a bike around a MX track with a choked up air box and a bung up your pipe?
And think of it this way.
Somone that is new to our sport is most likley to buy a stocky second hand bike and most of those bike are sold with a slip on pipe and a rejeted carb. Who in thier right mind will then go out and buy a stock pipe, airbox lid and stock jet just so they can run in the Prod class?

Please don't think that i'm having a go at the commite and i hope you see this as constructive critisim. As Mick as pointed out i'm not a rouge schooler and I can somtimes be more blunt than a sledge hamer but I would like to think that I talk common sense and i think that is more important.

Feel free to use this post in any debete that you have in your future meeteing.


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[Todd 127]

Back you you up there Smitty, i have bought second bikes for myself and for friends and NONE of them were 100% stock, some had the standard pipe, but every bike would have a upgraded air cleaner setup, because of the poor design from factory. These werent done for performance purely for longevity of thier engines. So if you own a banshee, you have to run the stock aircleaner setup and risk detroying your motor, sounds a bit crazy to me !!!

[hurtin_it]

I think anyone that has a new bike removes the airbox lid straight away and also the baffle. Couple of dollars for some jets...everybody can afford that.

[PeteW]

fourtrax wrote:

these rules are discussed by the quad advisory committee for which each state has a representative, once an agreement has been concluded the head of the committee then advises ma of what they think should happen. (this is from what i know, anyway) so, i would say this ruling is from the quad advisory committee. to me anyway, a stock class is exactly that, stock. if you add an aftermarket pipe then its not stock? smitty might be right though, maybe we should be looking towards the states for guidance. " its not for me to wonder why, but to do or die"! over and out jaden

Jaden, my point was this has been discussed at length by the NQAC.

Leanne, everyone I have spoken to on this topic here in VIC is in aggreeance about our current production rules and would like to see those rules carry through to the National level (as per last years nats). How many other states other than VIC are running a production class at all let alone one with 10 or more regular riders entering it? So far the state with the most riders is getting the least say and states who dont even have an MX series are voting agisnst us.

Todd and Smitty, I'm with you both on the second hand bikes thing, I dont know many people who've bought 2nd hand quads with the stock pipe or filter and these are exatly the sort of people who we want to include in the production class.
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[old55]

I definaetly dont make the decissions so no use addressing anything to me but I will list the NQAC reps for each State so that if anyone needs to air their views they can get in contact with their local reps:

QLD Derek Rumble
WA Lance Brenton
SA Bjorn Ludvigsen
NT Martin Stone
NSW Len Pipiciello
ACT Adrian Mohr
Vic Pete Wilhelms

Each State gets one vote and the mojority rules as per GCR rule changes at the beginning of the year.

[fourtrax]

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Jaden, my point was this has been discussed at length by the NQAC. Leanne, everyone I have spoken to on this topic here in VIC is in aggreeance about our current production rules and would like to see those rules carry through to the National level (as per last years nats). How many other states other than VIC are running a production class at all let alone one with 10 or more regular riders entering it? So far the state with the most riders is getting the least say and states who dont even have an MX series are voting agisnst us. Todd and Smitty, I'm with you both on the second hand bikes thing, I dont know many people who've bought 2nd hand quads with the stock pipe or filter and these are exatly the sort of people who we want to include in the production class.

hey pete, mate i think your being a little synical saying that "states who dont even have an mx series are voting against us" Pete, its not like the other states have gotten together in an evil plot trying to foil the QRCV !
every state should have an equal say, and if a ruling needs to be made on mx then if vic is the expert then surely your view should be listened to as would qld's if we were discussing dirt track. Your right we dont have a production class up here, although we do have a mx series and regularly race its an open class. So we dont have experience running a stock class.

[Q67Dazza]

thought the Vic production rule set was pretty good, practical
we don't currently run Production here
but if we look at the bikes this sunday in Clubmen at AJS State round I know what i'll see
about 5 with stock suspension and a similar production allowances,,, the other 15 have aftermarket sus,,,,
tight arse race team is fast becoming the minority over here...
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didn't agree with voting "No" to the cherry bomb when you could re-jet a naturally aspirated
didn't agree with some of the other stuff either, but that's just subjectively based on how i run my bike with limited funds
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not a big fan of the practicalities of stock-out da box
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hope the Dockers beat Melbourne tonight
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my entry forms are -in and hopefully I've secured number 67
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who's gunna get #55,,, that ozzie dude or that yanky digger
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[450yam]

There have been some good arguments put up here as to why minor modifications should be allowed. You need to make sure that these points are expressed in the NQAC discissions, from what I have seen most of these points were not even brought up.
Every one needs to communicate and remmber not every one thinks the same.
As for slip ons, air filters, jets and cherry bombs I think they are a cheap budget mod that ought to be allowed.

[Mrs_Gaitar]

PeteW wrote:

Leanne, everyone I have spoken to on this topic here in VIC is in aggreeance about our current production rules and would like to see those rules carry through to the National level (as per last years nats). How many other states other than VIC are running a production class at all let alone one with 10 or more regular riders entering it? So far the state with the most riders is getting the least say and states who dont even have an MX series are voting agisnst us.

The Victorian production rules were put in after the Nats last year, as last years nats, you couldnt use a pipe or steering dampner etc.
there were 7 riders in last years nats who did all races. this years Vic series, 4 out of the 6 rounds there has only been 5 riders in the production class. The other two rounds 6 & 8 Riders. We follow other states series with interest, who is coming where, and I guess some people follow WA's State Rounds with interest too...Its great to read the event write ups too.

This weekend will see current leader and #1 Chris Brenton see his 38 pt lead evaporate before his eyes, 3 out of the top 5 Pro's are injured.
28 Clubmans are fighting for the 20 spots on the grid, and every state round now is a race to get your entries in before others.

We hope to see a huge contingent of riders come across to WA and enjoy the Team atmosphere that WA has felt over the last few years travelling across to Victoria. When you leave your state, you become a team and its a great feeling to see every single one of your state riders do well.
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

1. Vets and Juniors Dont forget to attach a copy of your birth certificate/extract

2. Dont forget to send a stamped self addressed envelope.

3. Please mark your envelope "Nationals" as the race sec still has 1 state round to do.
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[ATV PRO]

So far as the Production class goes,it started off with some basic mods and as time went on it turned a basic mod class into a class with quit a few mods with big gains in Hp for some makes.
Most agreed with a few basic mods ,then it got outa hand and not every one could agree,so it went back to bare bones stock where a compromised was met and a wieghted vote as the final result.
Surley its easy to put your stock pipe,lid and jet back in and in the process it will get a closer race result between the manufacturers with the rider actually winning the event... ? Cost is only a Quad ,Kill switch and Nerfs. KISS
I fully agree with Leanne and Lance in that there are plenty of classes that allow mods!
Just read the sup regs and WA well done on a very professional and well laid out proposal ,Prize money,holeshot money,top promoters with an awesome venue... all great stuff for the sport ,you fully deserve the First ever MX Australian Quad Nats.
Cheers Len
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Len

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[HSR]

For what it is worth I would like to add my bit to the debate about the senior production class at the nationals, surely if you are going to offer both senior & junior production classes you have publish the relevant supp regs otherwise how do people know what they are entering.
As for the statement the regs for these classes were introduced in Vic after the Nationals last year that is not entirely correct as it was the QRCV MX Committe that framed and forwarded the regs for these classes at last years nationals, as we had already decided to introduce these 2 classes at a state level for 2006.
With regard to what is allowed to be changed these rules were debated and framed to offer the widest appeal and affordability to any one who wished to enter these classes, and these are published on our entry forms so there can be no mistake as what is and is not allowed, the senior production class has enjoyed close racing and steady growth over it`s first year, so this current formula seems to be working.
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

Junior 90cc Standard Class is standard... Not production.

The Senior Production class rules were put in the hands of the NQAC and are still as far as I know not complete.
The sup regs needed to be out no later than 6 weeks before the event.
I would have liked to have seen them out 3 months before the event, but unforseen hold ups held them back from release til this week. We couldnt wait any longer for the Production bulletin, and When the NQAC agree on a standard Nationally exceptable set of rules {hopefully within the next week} a bulletin will be released.

In regards to the rules being in place for senior production at last years Nats... the rules running in the 2006 series in Vic are not the same rules as the Nats were run under for 2005, ie standard pipe, couldnt remove the baffle and you couldnt use steering dampners etc.
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[Beech]

[quote="fourtrax"][quote]Jaden, my point was this has been discussed at length by the NQAC.

Pete, its not like the other states have gotten together in an evil plot trying to foil the QRCV !

Just want to clear up QRCV's involvement with the NQAC, there is none.
You won't foil QRCV as we have nothing to do with the NQAC, Pete W does not represent QRCV or the Vic MX Series. QRCV will continue to run our MX series the way our MX comittee sees fit to, Production rules and all.