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[bno12a]

I also seen the near miss was a close 1, if most of the 4wd's wont to drive through the RVA & tool around there & there not goin up into the big dunes then the sencible thing would be to put us were there is know one that way NPWS carnt be sued if a 4wd runs one of us over, cause thats what i will be doing if i am hit or run over by a 4wd while riding in the RVA area, thats our's, get us away from everyone, safer for all.

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EVERYONE.... log on to NPWS WEBSITE and click on FEEDBACK !!.
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[atv retro]

I absolutely agree that the Stockton RVA area be considered for review to include the large dune system north to the " silver city " tin hut area. That is a great idea and I would have nothing but praise for the Worimi people and the NPWS if this was considered. The current RVA area is a godsend for ATV enthusiasts - now hang on don't kill me yet, I know it's cut up and has lots of 4WD traffic but considering prior to the revamp of the RVA by NPWS you could only legally ride the on the actual beachfront. This was how it always " legally " was even prior to the NPWS it's just that the Port Stephens rangers never enforced this because they also knew it was crazy to have ATV's concentrated on the beach front.
On a personal note I don't care for any beachfront use of ATV's at Stockton as it's just a recipe for disaster and irritation.
NPWS has shown that they can act in our favour with regards to ATV recreation and it would be fantastic if a further extension of the RVA area was to include the some of the large northern dune system. Not only for the pleasure of riding through and enjoying such a brilliant dune system but on a safety and social piont of view minimising ATV exposure to other beach users ie, 4WD,s fishermen etc. Fingers crossed hey!!!

[BC250R]

Here are some answers for you.
* The reason we have been put into the area that is so flat and 4wd friendly is so they can drive their 4wd's there and police us.
* We cant go in the big dunes because "some " of this area is sacred and ATV's may destroy it. (It is OK to destroy this in a 4WD)

Of the Rangers i have spoken with 80% seemed very reasonable and have listened to our view. What has been done with this view from here i do not know. Some of us have passed on contact details to be informed of meetings. This has not happened.

The rangers have said a lot of this new system is about giving the original land owners employment. Why not start up their own quad tour business like the old Sand Safaries and take the people to their sacred sites and tech them about it. They could charge the $200 per head for bus loads of Asian tourists like SS did, the money could go to the people and park facilities.

Why not fence around the sacred sites and put signage there explaining why it is significant. let people ride to these sites, read the stories and learn about there people and history.

Doesnt this make more sense than just closing down areas of the beach to the only people who actualy use it.

Or is the sacred site signifigance just an excuse for over policing and revenue raising. Whats next? Parking meters in the carpark?

I also agree that the NPWS have shown total ignorance and negligence when comes to our safety. I do not condone sueing who ever you can for what ever, but i will not hesitate sueing NPWS if i am injured by a F...wit P plater in his Hilux that he thinks can jump.
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[bno12a]

The truth is that they do not wont us or anyone there because if people use the beach then NPWS has to provide a duty of care, if no one is there then they have to nothing which is what they wont. I & every person who pays any form of money to use the baech wont it explaned to us why the land can be re-zoned OVER NIGHT so that the sand mine can be expaned, so all the cultural sites, sensitive places will destroyed so why carnt we use the area, the worimi's get richer & other countries wake up & they have a beach, but we car'nt enjoy that AUSTRALIAN sand maybe we should go ride on our sand in the countries its goin to, i bet they would'nt care.

[shagger]

Why don't national parks sign up here and have their say on what, and why things are happening on stockton. I think it'll save all the inuendo that is getting spread around.

[Oldrodder]

Did anyone see the mob filming there on Sunday and the cammo quad they had with them.
What rego and permit was on that and what area did they use ????????

[DRAGUL3R]

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This post has been edited as it's both inappropriate, ill informed and detrimental to the discussions being had by ATV community with NPWS for the ongoing and sustainable use of Stockton's Recreational Vehicle Area
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[ashnery]

Sounds to me like there are a lot of opions on here why dont you all get togther and approach the national parks and get us atvers a voice at these meetings?
I am sure national parks would be interested to here from some level headed people who represent the interesets of atvers.
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[JASE.71]

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[ReD HeaderZ]

Being raciist or realist whatever ya call it won't help....

I think that more considerations are in order though, I was there today, wow, what a change, no where to camp anymore, no shade for anyone anymore, just all turned into "rejuvination areas"....
All I can say it that whoever made all the decisions to get rid of anyone having a natural place to enjoy has been destroyed...by their wonderful decisions
The dunes are disappearing in so many places it is not funny..
We can't ride on the dunes, but someone can sell them off and cart them away in trucks, what rejuvination this is...
A few campspots might make a small area cleared, but not whole dune faces and hundreds of tonnes of land getting carted away by trucks...
This is a joke, if 4wd's have the right to go just about anywhere, why is is not the same for all of us....
The worimi elders would role in their graves to know this is going on, being of aboriginal decendancy myself, this shows the local land council has no idea of Aboriginal land concepts, that is we are to care for the land and the land cares for all inhibitants..The land is their for all natural beings....Not sell it all off for profits, what a disgrace...
It looks like todays society has changed the people's needs and values, stuff everyone else hey, it is all about the money, who cares for the normal people...
I can't believe what I saw today, I was gutted...
This sort of destruction should be stopped.. Or if it must go on, fence off the areas where the trucks are "as you have done anyway" and give the people back the areas, ok fence the areas off that have not been cleared already but at least re-open those areas and let people enjoy what they had which was not much anyway...

[REDTED]

Have any of the posters in this thread read this post in the NSW section? (Where this thread should be. ) http://www.ozatv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4128
Especially this bit >
Quote-'If you would like to have genuine concerns & ideas presented to the above mentioned committee, please discuss them with either myself(Lost down under-Paul), Len or Bazz.
We are joining the Central Coast Dirt Riders, who have agreed to stand behind & support us in our voice to the NPWS.
If you would like to see changes take effect & also be a part of it, then come along to the CCDR meetings & put forward your ideas.'
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As Redted indicated, the thread in the NSW section of the forum: Official Standing on Stockton is where discussion on Stockton issues should be directed. posted.

The thread contains updates on the Plan Of Management as they become available.

Paul Nixon (Losty Down Under), Barry Ashenhurst & Len Pipiciello have put a lot of time into the initial meetings with NPWS. Paul and Barry are both still involved at the moment.

They are working with the Board Of Management to convey ATV issues, and any suggestions or comments on the plan should be conveyed through the mechanisms outlined in that post.

NPWS have been in touch today, and in conjunction with Paul Nixon, will be providing a major update on the progress of the Plan Of Management in coming weeks.

The majority of the ideas in this thread are great & have been recorded for future meetings. The first Board of Management is actually this week.

Several posts have now been edited in this thread that were not in the best interest of the ATV's submissions regarding Stockton. Posters should think about how their comments reflect on the ATV community as a stakeholder in the discussions.

If you have any further comments on the removal of the posts, please PM Admin.
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[JASE.71]

THIS POST AGAIN HAS BEEN REMOVED DUE TO INFLAMATORY LANGUAGE

SHOULD JASE.71 POST ANOTHER SIMILAR MESSAGE THEY WILL BE PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM OZATV.COM
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Another post by JASE.71 has had to be edited tonight primarily due to racist remarks being included in his post.

These types of comments will not be tolerated on OZATV.com, and offenders will have their post edited on first offence, be warned on the second, and banned from the site on the third offence.

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In addition, the comments by JASE.71 were also factually inaccurate.

The following are facts that I've tonight been able to ascertain from some straight forward research on the internet.

- Information on the areas classified at Stockton Beach as Recreational Vehicle Areas can be found in the Official Standing on Stockton post.
- The new Interim RVA is larger than the previous available area, which has been in place since 1986.
- The remaining land around the RVA is a combination of Worimi Conservation Land, and Freehold land belonging to private landholders.
- Commercial sand mining operations taking place on freehold land, all outside of the RVA and the Worimi Conservation Lands, should not be the concern of ATV riders.

At the March Port Stephens Council meeting, a parcel of land owned by the Worimi Local Aboriginal Land Council was rezoned to enable sand mining to take place. This land is several kilometers east of the RVA , WCL and NPWS, and is well beyond any areas that ATV riders should be using that fall under the discussions here.

Details of the Council decision can be found on the Port Stephens Council Website (see Minutes 25/03/2008 pages 49 to 75).
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[greenhuman]

Sand mining on any coastal dune system should be a concern to everyone whether it is private or been rezoned. The area to be destroyed is right where 4WD's access the dunes from Lavis Lane and right next to where ATV are now made to access, not several K's east of the RVA. Several K's east would be out in the ocean. I never thought there could be anything worse than mineral mining the dunes. At least they leave some sand. Sand mining takes the sand never to return. Its a discrace.

[Oldrodder]

I think the main concern is how dangerous they have made things, we used to be able to access other areas even if it was illegally, like the bowl so that we stayed away from the 4 X 4's.

Now they have given us our own area and put us all together, but this area is also a favourite play area of the 4 X 4's.

What we need is an area that is good for us to ride in but not easy for the 4 x 4's to play in thereby seperating the two of us and making things a lot safer.

Will this happen ???
Who knows but we can only hope so.

[JASE.71]

It seems that you can post what you like as long as it is politically correct. Does freedom of speech no longer exist. I make no excuses for my opinion, nor do I think I should apologise for it. At no stage were my remarks racist, profanity or derogatory, I was merely expressing my view on the topic as I frankly see it. Normal hard working law abiding Australians are continually being shafted by the demands of minority groups.
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I've invited Paul Nixon to post to this thread the way in which submissions from ATV riders need to be submitted for consideration by the Board Of Management. Please take the time to both read the Official Standing post, and then to get involved if you're so concerned about the future for the RVA.

greenhuman wrote:

Sand mining on any coastal dune system should be a concern to everyone whether it is private or been rezoned. The area to be destroyed is right where 4WD's access the dunes from Lavis Lane and right next to where ATV are now made to access, not several K's east of the RVA. Several K's east would be out in the ocean. I never thought there could be anything worse than mineral mining the dunes. At least they leave some sand. Sand mining takes the sand never to return. Its a discrace.

If there's an area close to Lavis Lane being mined, it's most likely on freehold land, and not under area related to the Worimi Conservation Lands - so a pity, but not something that can be simply resolved through the Board of Management for WCL.

The area that has been rezoned by Port Stephens Council that I mentioned is ENE of the WCL.

JASE.71 wrote:

At no stage were my remarks racist, profanity or derogatory, I was merely expressing my view on the topic as I frankly see it. Normal hard working law abiding Australians are continually being shafted by the demands of minority groups.

Your remarks (and several others on threads where I've had to act over the past few years) were more inflammatory, inappropriate and potentially slanderous. I don't feel that they reflect well on the ATV community - nor reflect well on the reputation of OZATV.com.

Perhaps you should think of the ATV community as a minority group that needs to be heard - and at the moment, comments along the lines of your moderated posts aren't going to help the ATV community be heard positively in this case.
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[bno12a]

And why should we stop posting here, i would have this was a big enough issue to post were people have been looking & posting them selves. up there again yesty & a tipical *hit fight with big fat slops called rangers & if you dont like how i described them. well they are, one used the dirt road lavis land as proof that there are making things better, anyone else think its better my dad said its the same the as 60's when he started going there, dirt goat track. The big issue seems to be insurence, which is why australia is going down the toilet, we are not insured to ride anywere but the RVA, so if the RVA was moved to the big hills we would then be insured to ride there,yes or no?. But why would they move it a few post here and there & pissed people is nothing if we could get sum of the 200,000 people that use lavis & the beach (my dad looked at the counter that was there on the road for 3 months) we would have somthing to work with but we aussie's dont seem to be able to organise ourself's like other countries. Money makes things happen, eg the re classification of the land for mining over night, if sumone gave a local politicion or state pollie 20,000 reasons to get involed that would also get things to change, but who has that lying around, not many of us real beach user's, but if the goverment buy's my dad's place i will & will happly spend it, lets use the system against them.