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[kpracing12]

I have just read the 2008 MA competition rules for quads and need some clarification. The rules for Junior 200cc class state the 200cc 2 strokes (modified) run with 300cc fourstrokes (modified) I can't find anyway where it states they have to be OEM cases.
The question is
Can I put an RMZ250 engine into a 250r chassis and race it in this class?

[450yam2]

Your too big for that class anyway KP

[Mrs_Gaitar]

We have been fighting with MA over the lack of this rule in the book for now 3 years, it was ommitted by mistake a couple of years ago, and for whatever reason the 9 words
"all junior quads must run OEM engine cases and frames" hasnt gone back in, they fumble with trying other words... like "where it says standard it means oem with no modifications.....
anyways theres a rule under all disciplines that states.... if in the book it doesnt say you can....... then you cant.... ie does it say in the book that you can race a manufactured bike made out of all sorts of bits and pieces... does it say you can put a two wheel engine in a quad? no it doesnt.... so you cant do it.
Hence why in WA in all sup regs concerning Junior quads it states, all Junior quads must run OEM engine cases and frames.
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[fourtrax]

pete you need to call me! jaden 0411 227 488

[bullet]

In Jumbo's, a senior class, there was a rule change last year to allow 'like' engine replacement. But it was strictly for bolt straight it replacements. Many of the junior quad engines, 2 stroke and 4 stroke come out of the same chinese factories and ALL of the engine parts are interchangeable or identical. This rule modification actually took the 'check book' out of the race equasion for a senior class where entrants would have spent the many thousands of dollars to work the OEM units anyway.

With Junior classes, I could not agree with Mrs Gaitor more.
The last thing our sport needs is to make our entry platform a technology and check book race.
Keep the kids OEM, good for the kids and good for the sport as a whole.
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[PeteW]

This seems to come up every year since, as Bethwyn has already stated, MA ommitted the original OEM Frames and Engine cases line from the Junior Classes, You will find though that it is added in most cases to the supp regs for each event. You could also consider it to be not in the spirit of the sport as there are no models available in that kind of configuration so it would be a clear advantage (believe me I've thought of doing it many times).
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[Huskygoat]

A fellow rider in Darwin is looking at a Apex that will be in production in feb with a yzf 250 motor this issue needs to be addressed quickly before to many are ordered.

huskygoat

[Linc]

"that will be in production in feb with a yzf 250 motor "

define production for me......I dont get what you are saying. Is the whole thing being made by APEX?.

Linc

[Mrs_Gaitar]

a lonestar frame with a 250F motor

its manufactured by a shop not manufactured by a manufacturer.

if the apex can race, whats to stop anyone buying an old YFZ450 and putting a 250F motor in here in australia...

I am very very worried about this one..... from phone calls Ive received recently, this is a topic the NQAC needs to cover and fast. If MA needed proof that leaving out the OEM rule was a huge stuff up, then maybe the NQAC needs to go into the MA office and draw Ross Martin Pictures !
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[Linc]

.....yeah thanks........clear as mud.

[PeteW]

I think you'll find that if the engine is being used under licence, i.e. Apex are buying crate motor from yamaha under an agreement for those engines to be fitted to thier chassis. then it would be classes as a "production" model.

it has already been accepted here for the Cobra ECX's to be eligible to race even though there are very limited numbers of them (not to mention the cost of buying and setting up compared to other junior models)
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

I read on one forum about it, $14000 US then there would be shipping?

Pretty sure cobras are manufactured by cobra arnt they? and the Cobra importer in WA went to the trouble of having it Homologated?

2 wheeler kids arnt allowed on a 250F until theyre 13, so maybe this is another part of the NQAC discussion agenda?

Are we looking at a supermodified class here? dont think there would be enough to constitute a class anywhere...
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

http://quadzoneforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19606
for anyone wanting to see what quad is being discussed
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[cammoquad]

with more quads being made like that its almost going to end up cheque book racing
my 2cents worth
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[HoleshotQR#24]

Isn't there a minimum number of machines that must be produced by a quad manufacturer before it can be classed as a production quad?? It may only be in the US, but I'm pretty sure when the Cobra 70 first came out they couldn't be raced in a junior production class until 100 units had been sold. I think I saw this in the very first video/interview released about this by cobra.
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[bullet]

That's probably a good rule #24.
If 100 are manufactured they can be raced.
O/S they run Junior OEM and Junior modifieds.
Perhaps a way around that is the - if you don't have minimum gate numbers, that class dosen't get any points.

I dont know people... this one is nearly impossible.
The V8's struggle with this issue... Formula 1 can't get it right either...
And now it's hitting the dizzy heights of quad racing

Lets just hope the rules always follow common sense at the time.
We are always going to see something new come in sideways and stir the pot.

I personally like all the variation we enjoy.
This year we have lots of new colours on the track, still mixing it up with the old 2 strokes.
great stuff.
I'd hate to see us end up like V8 racing, where everyones cars are identical except for the Holden or Ford badge, and any new commers are banned.
There aren't too many parents that could afford one of those Holdens or Fords either.
Bit of a joke really.

I think all the people that input to our quad classes and events have done an excellent job in recent years.
thanks.
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[PeteW]

there is no Homologation list for quads AFAIK otherwise there are plenty of models that get raced here that are ineligible (250r's for example as they were never brought here officially).
We generally accept that if the model is or has been in general production somewhere else then it's OK to race it here for juniors and we certainly don't seem to be worried about it in the senior classes otherwise no one would be allowed to race their CroMoly Chassis 250r's with what ever engine they like in them.....
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