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[Process West]

Tell me why 1/2 of the guys I see racing remove their heel guards..(or have "Pro-Peg" nerfs with no heel guards).

Ive just been reading the latest US Dirt Wheels and there is a pic of a dude with his leg jammed between the footpeg and the back wheel..its sickening.

What puzzles me more is that scrutineers are OK with it...it doesnt make sense...You must have nerf bars to race but you are allowed to have a huge gap between the footpeg and back wheels.

Kevin
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[lukeash]

ive seen this picture and it does turn your gut. i agree but how often do the rules that the govern if you can race or not get updated? this should be changed

[PeteW]

Luke, the rules get pdated evey year so if enough people speak up on this issue that support a change then the idea could be put to the NQAC for submission to MA.

Scrutineers have to be OK with it as it is not a rule that you have to have heel guards as it is with nerf bars.

I personally hate riding without heel guards, they way that I ride I usually get my heels right into the back of the guards to help get my weight back.
I do know know lots of riders however that seem to think that thay dont have enough room to move with heel guards on (maybe they've all got huge feet of something) and others take off the stock ones cos thay are mostly only good for catching mud and dont offer much in the way of guarding at all ( I've seen plenty of them break off.)
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

lukeash wrote:

ive seen this picture and it does turn your gut. i agree but how often do the rules that the govern if you can race or not get updated? this should be changed

Pretty hard to get everyone following the rules we have and interpreting the ones the same way.
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[fourtrax]

Process West wrote:

Tell me why 1/2 of the guys I see racing remove their heel guards..(or have "Pro-Peg" nerfs with no heel guards). Ive just been reading the latest US Dirt Wheels and there is a pic of a dude with his leg jammed between the footpeg and the back wheel..its sickening. What puzzles me more is that scrutineers are OK with it...it doesnt make sense...You must have nerf bars to race but you are allowed to have a huge gap between the footpeg and back wheels. Kevin

someone with an agenda hey ! if the rules do change , and i presume by writing this your expressing your view that they should, and i need to spend another $300 will you do me a deal on a set of your pegs?

im sure your a good businessman, and youll do your best to have the rule changed? this sport is expensive enough without most of us buying another set of pegs and throwing out a perfectly good set.
leave it at that....

[Blaster Babe]

Why do people ride without heelguards?
Why do people ride without a helmet?
Why do people drive after drinking?
Why do humans make dumb choices?

i personally think that the less rules we have the better. I am a strong believer in "natural selection". The safety rules are only protecting the idiots that are poluting our gene-pool.
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[ash]

I don't think my feet would still be attached with out them. With guards on I've still run over my foot Lucky it didn't hurt too bad.
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[truk'n 450]

It's probly a personal choice situation, and wether you want the safety of them or not.i think ppl with big feet can have a prob with stock one's on some models.they do catch lots of mud but the thought of ya leg being maulled by the back wheel makes me leave em on
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[JB83]

I have a size 13 boot and AC pro pegs nerfs with heel guards, and i gotta say the heel guards are a nuisance. I used my bush mechanic skills and bashed em back with a sledgie, and they still get in the way but i'd rather that than a busted knee or leg.

[cowchaser]

I used a set of Rath nerfs and heel guards in the states and the heel guards had netting in them instead of alloy just like nerfs do. You did not even know they were there. They had a heap of room for big footed bastards like me and they can't fill up with mud. I thought they were a great idea
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[striaghtarrow]

I to am a size 13 and i dont have any trouble.......I can feel them on my heel but i would rather that than a busted leg / ankle.......I run AC Propegs with heel guards.

I have hit a tree side on in a cross country race and the nerfs took all the impact. i actually could not get off the bike as the tree was jamming my leg into the tank etc.....can only image what the damage would have been if these hadnt been fitted.

Wouldnt ride without em........

ian

[fourtrax]

your all a bunch of poofs, up here in qld we ride with thongs on standard footpegs. bugger the nerfs.
Bloody mexicans....

go the maroons!

[darkchild666]

[quote="fourtrax"]your all a bunch of poofs, up here in qld we ride with thongs on standard footpegs. bugger the nerfs.
Bloody mexicans....


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man your i weak,thongs just get in the way when your squashing CANETOADS!!! QUEENSLANDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..
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[nitro]

fourtrax wrote:

Process West wrote: Tell me why 1/2 of the guys I see racing remove their heel guards..(or have "Pro-Peg" nerfs with no heel guards). Ive just been reading the latest US Dirt Wheels and there is a pic of a dude with his leg jammed between the footpeg and the back wheel..its sickening. What puzzles me more is that scrutineers are OK with it...it doesnt make sense...You must have nerf bars to race but you are allowed to have a huge gap between the footpeg and back wheels. Kevin someone with an agenda hey ! if the rules do change , and i presume by writing this your expressing your view that they should, and i need to spend another $300 will you do me a deal on a set of your pegs? im sure your a good businessman, and youll do your best to have the rule changed? this sport is expensive enough without most of us buying another set of pegs and throwing out a perfectly good set. leave it at that....

i truly hope that your not saying this to try and change the rules so people have to bye your nerf bars and do a *** on this site ,one person trying to flog things off on these stie is one to many

[Ozzy84]

another person who fells the need to turn there personal decision into a rule. for f#*k sake, how does someone who doesnt like heelguards and races like that effect you, other than they could have spent more on your nerfs..........

Just leave it as is i say, and if your that way inclined, run them, each to there own

[John Mags]

Can't stand heel guards but that don't mean I want every one else to remove them. If you like them, leave them on, if you don't, take them off. Either way BIG FUX! If my foot goes back there during a race then all the better for my competitors. Who cares?

[Process West]

nitro wrote:

fourtrax wrote: Process West wrote: Tell me why 1/2 of the guys I see racing remove their heel guards..(or have "Pro-Peg" nerfs with no heel guards). Ive just been reading the latest US Dirt Wheels and there is a pic of a dude with his leg jammed between the footpeg and the back wheel..its sickening. What puzzles me more is that scrutineers are OK with it...it doesnt make sense...You must have nerf bars to race but you are allowed to have a huge gap between the footpeg and back wheels. Kevin someone with an agenda hey ! if the rules do change , and i presume by writing this your expressing your view that they should, and i need to spend another $300 will you do me a deal on a set of your pegs? im sure your a good businessman, and youll do your best to have the rule changed? this sport is expensive enough without most of us buying another set of pegs and throwing out a perfectly good set. leave it at that.... i truly hope that your not saying this to try and change the rules so people have to bye your nerf bars and do a *** on this site ,one person trying to flog things off on these stie is one to many

Thats a bit harsh...changing rules and flogging more product didnt even enter my head...Im not that type of business man.

I am about to release a heel guard-less "Pro-Comp" nerf soon so there is no need for me to want to change the rules.

BTW...I am the owner of this site..I have Patrick Jackson from Kinetic Presentation Systems manage it for me. I had thought about creating this forum about 18 months ago but decided against it because I wasnt sure if it would work or not..(and I cant stand failure in anything).
It seems to be kicking along OK and so far it has been a good meeting place to organise events etc.

I want the Australian ATV scene to grow because I like riding/racing. I used to race motorcross for 6 years in my yonger days and I cant wait to get back into regular racing (on a quad) as soon as I can.

Kevin
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[Process West]

700rappy wrote:

another person who fells the need to turn there personal decision into a rule. for f#*k sake, how does someone who doesnt like heelguards and races like that effect you, other than they could have spent more on your nerfs.......... Just leave it as is i say, and if your that way inclined, run them, each to there own

All I did was ask a question..I said nothing about rule changes...Fourtrax made this assumption (and clearly dropped the ball) and a few guys followed his lead.

...sheesh

Kevin
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[ATV PRO]

Ive ran over both my feet and my knee went through the chain and sprocket and scalped my knee cap skin right off(could see the pattella and ligaments,gross ! ) ,I was in Hospital for few weeks and in abrace for 5 weeks.
I now only ride with guards! The AC Pro pegs are not a good design as your heal does interfer with guards on the older style,But most standard nerf bars allow your standard Guards to be used(some modification may be needed).If Not it wouldnt cost much to make some netting between Mud Guard and Nerfs for very little money.The More protection the better in my view ,but hey each to there own.The less acidents on Quads the less negative attention we will recieve and the better the sport will be.
Cheers Len
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[ash]

hi guys,

I don't mean to argue but thought I'd give my 2cents in favour of retailers bombarding this forum with their offers. And I have no connection to process or any quad retailers.

For riders who are not interested in heel guards and don't want to be forced to use them and upgrade their current expensive nerfs, all because of a new rule, it is understandable that you want NO darn talk of this. I'm not arguing this at all.

Just argueing that we shouldn't slam quad bike and accessory retailers on this forum. The more the merrier from a customers point of view. A couple of reasons:

1st, more stores means more promotion resulting in more quad bike riders. And volume means cheaper prices, more clubs, more races, more voices and security for the sports existance in this country.

2nd, let the retailers talk it up and offer their cheap prices on the forum. It can only lead to price wars and DISCOUNTS for us:lol:


Support the retailers so that they can exist because it is in their best interest to help us improve the sport for us. And they can spend money in the name of business to help do it... Not just sponsorships but you'll find that retail store owners will get involved with the politics in the back ground etc. Or at least I hope they will.

Anyway, I wish there were more retailers in Syd

cheers,
ash.
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[nitro]

i know what your saying Ash but retailers should stay out of the rule making game as what happen 2001 when a (retailer ,nerf bar maker )wanted steel mesh in your nerf because all the US ones that you could bye had webbing in them ,an so that be came the rule and it just about took hell to freeze over to get it back to the way it was

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[ash]

That's a bit cheeky Sorry I didn't know of that. See what happens when new people play politics My guess is that retailer/whole seller is non existant today though right.
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[Blaster Babe]

Process West wrote:

...What puzzles me more is that scrutineers are OK with it...it doesnt make sense...You must have nerf bars to race but you are allowed to have a huge gap between the footpeg and back wheels...

I think the key here (at least, this is the way i interpret it) is that most of the scrutinized machine elements are to protect the OTHER competitors, not necessarily yourself. By controlling only how your machine affects others, (rather than how your machine affects you) still leaves us all fairly open to machine customisation.

For example:

Nerf bars were originally designed just to stop "nerfing" (the action of locking wheels with another quad and both going end-over-end).
The webbing to stop your foot falling thru was a much later addition and an added self-safety bonus to the apparatus.

Bar ends are to prevent "hole punching" another competitors body in a collision.

Killswitches are to stop your quad from running into or over another competitor.
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[yogie]

ash wrote:

hi guys, I don't mean to argue but thought I'd give my 2cents in favour of retailers bombarding this forum with their offers. And I have no connection to process or any quad retailers. For riders who are not interested in heel guards and don't want to be forced to use them and upgrade their current expensive nerfs, all because of a new rule, it is understandable that you want NO darn talk of this. I'm not arguing this at all. Just argueing that we shouldn't slam quad bike and accessory retailers on this forum. The more the merrier from a customers point of view. A couple of reasons: 1st, more stores means more promotion resulting in more quad bike riders. And volume means cheaper prices, more clubs, more races, more voices and security for the sports existance in this country. 2nd, let the retailers talk it up and offer their cheap prices on the forum. It can only lead to price wars and DISCOUNTS for us:lol: Support the retailers so that they can exist because it is in their best interest to help us improve the sport for us. And they can spend money in the name of business to help do it... Not just sponsorships but you'll find that retail store owners will get involved with the politics in the back ground etc. Or at least I hope they will. Anyway, I wish there were more retailers in Syd cheers, ash.

you make some good points ash and I dont mind the idea of retailers with their offers here, but prices should BE CHEAPER, A LOT CHEAPER, because of the need not to advertise in glossy mags, and I dont know why jmc is the only one that makes full use of it, seems to me the others should be trying to get us to spend their $$ with them, this part of the rant over... But while it is confined to the correct section here on the forum and I'm saying it hasnt, but I would like to think that should it start creeping into other threads, it needs to be stopped very quickly.

And I thought all the retailers bar one or two were in NSW., hardiman, thomlin and jmc all reside in nsw. apart from southerncross and izzy in Vic I cant think of any real big players here. And while I'm at it, I'll start on my rant again, We deserve cheaper prices, I have saved a fortune from buying direct from the states, go figure...
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[PeteW]

yogie wrote:

you make some good points ash and I dont mind the idea of retailers with their offers here, but prices should BE CHEAPER, A LOT CHEAPER, because of the need not to advertise in glossy mags, and I dont know why jmc is the only one that makes full use of it, seems to me the others should be trying to get us to spend their $$ with them, this part of the rant over... But while it is confined to the correct section here on the forum and I'm saying it hasnt, but I would like to think that should it start creeping into other threads, it needs to be stopped very quickly. And I thought all the retailers bar one or two were in NSW., hardiman, thomlin and jmc all reside in nsw. apart from southerncross and izzy in Vic I cant think of any real big players here. And while I'm at it, I'll start on my rant again, We deserve cheaper prices, I have saved a fortune from buying direct from the states, go figure...

Yogie, how do you justfy prices being advertivsed here cheaper, Retailers still need to advertise in the mags because not everyone reads this forum. and its "Southern Quads" not southern cross. By buying direct from the US and not supporting the local retailers and importers your leaving your self open for problems later down the track when you need something that you cant buy direct from the US or when you need tyres (tried a freight price on them yet?) or plastics that are hard to freight. If those businesses aren't supported through other products then they wont be there to supply the things you need like this that you cant get out of the ststes in a coulpe of days or a week.
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