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[MadDog_Banshee]

Hi, just need to find out what people think of these bikes. Leaving upfront cost aside, which bike would you prefer ?

I'm looking at some new bikes, and considering either a fuel injected 450 or a 700 raptor.

I've noticed some differences in the models, ie some have the same suspension as each other, ie the YFZ 450 R has beefier suspension and the raptor SE has the same dual rate suspensions and wider front.

I know they're different animals and can do different things, but overall, which one do you reckon is the better package? Do any of them come with other gear?

I'm a Yamaha man through and through, and have just sold a Banshee that's been with me for nearly 13 years.

Type of riding is just trail, with an even mix of hills and flats.
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[wa5]

It all depends on what kind of riding you do... Not where you ride, HOW you ride, If its ten tenths, balls out, hold it flat all the way, go the 450, it will be faster, and better suited to that type of riding, if you are more of a social rider, go the 700.. IMHO, the 700 will keep doing its thing long after the 450 has died.. its not as highly strung.

[MadDog_Banshee]

They both sound good. Do you have any idea about how the suspension set up compares of the 700 compares to the 450 ?
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[t&l performance]

raptor700 unless you want to mx track it then 450r

[Stevo]

t&l performance wrote:

raptor700 unless you want to mx track it then 450r

+1 The 700 has a huge amount of power on tap and you don't need to ring it's neck all the time , Lot less stress on the motor
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[muzzgit]

Straight out of the box the 450 needs less spent on it, just a pipe, filter and fuel controller, and your good to go.

The Raptor absolutely needs wider front suspension and a wider axle plus bar risers and nurfs, on top of a pipe, filter and fuel controller.

Both have that typical Yamaha trait of a fairly flat top end power curve and, if money isn't too much of a problem, they both respond well to a cam, ported head and hi-comp piston. (ps. it needs to be the right cam, none of this stage 3 crap you will read on some forums)
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06 YFM 700R mine
03 KFX 400 hers

[MadDog_Banshee]

wow. i'm really shocked. i would have thought the overwhelming response would have been in favour of the 450. i'm a bit of an in between rider. ie there's some times when i need the explosion of power and then there's other days i cruise. i havent raced bikes officially but i ride with guys who must be the fastest the best the craziest etc.... you get the point.

i had a banshee before and about a year ago i raced a 700 that had a dual exhaust and fuel controller. my banshee was stock and i just left the raptor like it was standing still. admittedly the rider had 0 skill, but also the track we were using was long and hilly and like 2 -3 km long for one lap. it was torque territory.

so it looks like the raptor is a better all round package?
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[MadDog_Banshee]

muzzgit wrote:

Straight out of the box the 450 needs less spent on it, just a pipe, filter and fuel controller, and your good to go. The Raptor absolutely needs wider front suspension and a wider axle plus bar risers and nurfs, on top of a pipe, filter and fuel controller. Both have that typical Yamaha trait of a fairly flat top end power curve and, if money isn't too much of a problem, they both respond well to a cam, ported head and hi-comp piston. (ps. it needs to be the right cam, none of this stage 3 crap you will read on some forums)

can you please recommend to me what setup you would take if you were in my position. lets say you just bought yourself a 700, what parts exactly would you buy for it ? if you could provide me with links, id appreciate it. i'd just like to price up my options so i can see what i'm up for. thank you.
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[go home hard]

no doubt about it 700 all the way baby I got one with all the bits lonestar arm s fox evos stem axle bead locks cam big bore flex bars power 5 auto tunner and she rocks a little heavy for mx but not unusable and geared the right way nothing will catch it if you can hang on love it
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[t&l performance]

I do raptors all the time monster duals fuel customs intake msd blaster ignition and a +3 throttlebody is a must they run pretty good but when wanting them to have killer power the 450 will never match the 700 once you go into the engine

[muzzgit]

You will need a good single slip on pipe, filter kit and fuel controller. Dealing with someone who has a dyno so it can be mapped properly is worth the money.

If after that you still find you don't have enough power then it's time to get into the motor. This is where you need to deal with someone who has done it before. They will know what works and what doesn't.

My advice is DON'T buy your parts off eBay.

If you buy your parts through a trusted licensed workshop the parts and fitting come with warrantees that can be priceless if you need to fall back on them. I say a trusted workshop because there are a couple out there who don't like to honour their warranty obligations. Also, if you buy parts from the USA over the internet, YOU are responsible for the warranty. You have no one to fall back on legally if the parts don't fit or break prematurely, or damage your quad because they were poorly made.

Also, I dare say the guy you raced on the Raptor might have been revving the tits off it, which is the opposite of what you should do. Particularly if the motor is stock, the best thing you can do is get a raptor into 4th gear as soon as you can and hang on. If it's revving really hard you're doing it wrong.
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MUZZ
06 YFM 700R mine
03 KFX 400 hers

[t&l performance]

duals proven best power a slip on will basically give you just sound not really worth it the guys I deal with hold the world record for raptors as in 300 foot times and hill shooters while these bikes still get ridn as duners aswell and stay together for yrs proven time and time again

[muzzgit]

t&l performance wrote:

duals proven best power a slip on will basically give you just sound not really worth it the guys I deal with hold the world record for raptors as in 300 foot times and hill shooters while these bikes still get ridn as duners aswell and stay together for yrs proven time and time again

As with everything it's all about how much you want to spend and what kind of riding you want to do. Yeah if your gonna ride in a straight line and not even out of sight then get all the horsepower you want, but that's not practical for trail riding.


My Raptor with stock motor dyno'd @ 49hp with HMF slip + fuel controller and filter kit. It ran out of puff at high rev's like all raptors do. Now with HMF full pipe + hi comp piston + cam + valve springs on standard bore it dyno's @ 56hp and pulls all the way to the top. That's not big HP I know, but hanging on to it on a long ride of three or four hours you know about it.
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MUZZ
06 YFM 700R mine
03 KFX 400 hers