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[JONO]

Hey guys, if you could take a second to quickly do this poll if you have facebook it'd be greatly appreciated. Just vote for pro quads!

http://www.facebook.com/mxnationalsaustralia/timeline/story?ut=61&wstart=1351753200&wend=1354348799&hash=-7273749550213106607&pagefilter=3&ustart=1

Cheers.

[Huskygoat]

Why would anybody do this??????

Rule changes and this bullshit pro series has damaged quad riding... 50 fold

It will take 10 years to recover


on top of this quote from my local Yamaha shop " how can our guy win all five races and come 2nd" Yamaha cant be paying enough sponorship.


Common sense please get the kids classes sorted .... make the Nationals the "NATIONALS"

NO juniors = NO seniors in ten years time

TQA has done a wonderful job developing Juniors

Huskygoat
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[JONO]

What about the massive exposure our sport in general receives as a result of being able to piggyback off such a massive event?

Surely that counts for something, these events don't have junior classes even for the 2 wheelers, it's for the most elite senior riders in the country.

I don't see what's so wrong about having a national series for our pro riders? They train hard all year round and want to be given more than one weekend for the chance to get a national title, it's proof of consistency.

I think keeping nationals as one event for Juniors and other classes who generally don't operate on as big of a budget and with the support that pro riders do is understandable. But that's no reason to stop our pro's from gaining some much needed exposure for the sport on a big stage.

[triple"A"]

like just about every other scenario on earth, there are pro's and cons for any situation. I agree that having the pro 450 class included in the national mx rounds gives quads awesome exposure and with that comes some improvement in how we are accepted.

the downside though, how many potential privateer entrants, to a pro class, can't afford to travel the nation for the 5 (?) rounds?. I know of one.

I have a question, previously if a rider had competed in an event in the pro class, they could not drop back to intermediates/expert. If we now have the pro title run over several rounds, at various locations, can a previous entrant to pros compete at the one of nationals in intermediate?
One reason we didn't go to the nationals this year was that Nathan had previously ridden in the pro class, and we assumed he would have to take part in the multi round series, and that isn't a financially viable option for us.
it would be interesting to get some opinions on both of these questions, so we know whether we should carry on in the sport

[lukeb]

My 2 cents worth.

1. The Pro quad class at the nationals is great exposure for our sport and will help us grow and attract people that may have not seen it before or maybe thought Quad's were lame ( PEOPLE NEED TO SEE GOOD QUAD RIDERS GOING FAST )

2. The rounds run with the MX nationals should be a separate title to the 2 day QUAD nationals run at the end of each year as lots of good riders just can not do all the racing they would like.

3. If they add a C grade class or anything other than Pro at the MX nationals it will make quad riders look very ordinary and people will not have respect for our sport.

4. There is a lot of good Quad riders in Australia but if a potential sponsor is watching do you think they want to see someone standing on the podium at a national with there pants hanging off there arse and wearing a surf brand t-shirt and a pair of thongs and socks ? ( I AM REFERRING TO ALL GRADE'S OF RIDERS I HAVE SEEN OVER THE 10 YEARS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED ) trust me they don't and the guy that came 2nd 3rd 4th or 5th but conducts them self professionally and in a well presented manner is going to attract people that want to support them, you may not think so but there is people that actually do watch for this and recently talking with a manager of a major motorcycle brand he advised me that unfortunately from what they have seen at Quad events it just doesn't appeal to them to be involved, it will take time but this can be changed.



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[triple"A"]

i agree luke, if you want to be treated like a pro you have to act like a professional, we'd like to think we behave in a proffessional manner, well at least as best as our resources allow. We even accept that if the pro class develops into a regular inclusion in the mx national series, there is no room for us as privateers. So the question i need answered is, can a rider, that has ridden pro class, compete at the 2 day national event in either what was or is, the intermediate class, (in other words go down a class) or is there a plan in the pipeline to have a 2nd title for pro class at the 2 day event?

[lukeg]

triple"A" wrote:

i agree luke, if you want to be treated like a pro you have to act like a professional, we'd like to think we behave in a proffessional manner, well at least as best as our resources allow. We even accept that if the pro class develops into a regular inclusion in the mx national series, there is no room for us as privateers. So the question i need answered is, can a rider, that has ridden pro class, compete at the 2 day national event in either what was or is, the intermediate class, (in other words go down a class) or is there a plan in the pipeline to have a 2nd title for pro class at the 2 day event?

Hi Im Luke Gaisford i don't think you guys know how hard and expensive racing the national is, only the ppl that have raced at this level know what it takes, every rider pays for every thing them selves ie. all privateers.
And the 2 mx national rounds you can race them and it will not affect you grading at all from what we sorted at the nationals, all of the
Pros had a meeting and sorted what we wanted for next year with WEM.
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[triple"A"]

hi lukeg
we do know how much goes into racing nationals, we've done 2
maybe i'm not getting my view across in a manner that can be understood, i agree that the mx nationals should include the pro class quad class, i have said that.

ok i used the term privateer inappropriately, so i'll try to explain it without a noun. we do not have the financial resources to compete at several interstate rounds, but my son , Nathan can compete in the pro class and has in the past, and is capable of making up numbers at least, running mid pack to rear of field.
i'm given to believe that as he has competed in the pro class before, he cannot now go back to the intermediate class. (the question i'm asking is am i correct?)

again i agree with the concept of having the pro class compete at the mx national series

you know what, don't worry about answering this, and don't stress about any of my previous posts in this thread, i'm not having a go at anyone or complaining about the mx national series. i'll either find out the answer to my questions another way, or let it slide, it's no biggie

[Ozzy84]

Good find... Vote done. Fingers crossed we see quad nationals.

[lukeb]

triple"A" wrote:

i agree luke, if you want to be treated like a pro you have to act like a professional, we'd like to think we behave in a proffessional manner, well at least as best as our resources allow. We even accept that if the pro class develops into a regular inclusion in the mx national series, there is no room for us as privateers. So the question i need answered is, can a rider, that has ridden pro class, compete at the 2 day national event in either what was or is, the intermediate class, (in other words go down a class) or is there a plan in the pipeline to have a 2nd title for pro class at the 2 day event?

Hey Triple A sorry mate i meant to reply earlier and this is my answer, i don't think any body knows !!!!!!!!! with the small size of our sport here there is always going to be some races events where a C grade rider can race the open/pro class and do really well but then goes to another state or national and gets smoked, i see some riders dropping back and i think to myself what a joke they should be having a good go but i have also seen riders going up to pro at a national who should definitely not be there yet, all in all maybe it is something in time a program can be put in place to help make this work better for both riders and the people helping run these events.
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[lukeg]

triple"A" wrote:

ok i used the term privateer inappropriately, so i'll try to explain it without a noun. we do not have the financial resources to compete at several interstate rounds, but my son , Nathan can compete in the pro class and has in the past, and is capable of making up numbers at least, running mid pack to rear of field.

Finances mate I work a 8-5 job 5 days a week and that money all that money go's into my racing I pay for evey thing I do I'm 21 and have 2 bike and a $500 ute that's all but I make it work at the top level, my parents do not give me no help at all so it's not that tough to race. So when you think we get every thing for free think again and there's no prize money to win.
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[lukeg]

If you really love racing your 4 wheeler then you will find a way to make this nationals work next year.
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[lukeb]

Luke i dont think i know anyone that loves racing and puts in more effort than you, all Triple A is trying to work out is if you race a certian class at one race do you have to race that class everywhere as the level of rider at each race meeting can change so much, as far as getting to races people do what they can and thats great as each persons prioritys are different
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[cowchaser]

I agree with what he ^^^^^^^^^ said!
I know with my own racing i'm silly enough to pick the most expensive races on the calender. it's not because im in a better financial position than anyone else it's because they are the events that I love to do. It may mean that I only get to race my quad 3 times a year, but i'm fine with that if it means I can do events like safari.

As for the classing issue Kev i'm not going there. Sounds like a lot of quad politics and i'm no good with that stuff. I alway like to think of the guys that run these events. They are never going to please everybody so just be thankful that they put the time in and we can all enjoy our sport
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[lukeg]

lukeb wrote:

Luke i dont think i know anyone that loves racing and puts in more effort than you, all Triple A is trying to work out is if you race a certian class at one race do you have to race that class everywhere as the level of rider at each race meeting can change so much, as far as getting to races people do what they can and thats great as each persons prioritys are different

I know what he mean but all I'm trying to say is that theres know difference between me and his kid just the level that where both at that's all,
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[Dickie]

I know exactly how hard it is to try and race the nationals like everyone else. I myself wanted to race all three MX Nationals this year, but just like so many others I could not justify the money that it involved. Add a mortgage to your weekly expenses and it pretty much becomes impossible. But I agree with LukeG. If you love it, you will do it. I love ATV Riding / Racing and put as much of my money that I can towards it. And I am endeavouring the best I can to race the 2013 Nationals series, because I love racing. And at the end of the day, no matter where I finish, I will be happy to have raced the series and put the best effort in I can.

The Pro ATV MX Nationals series is excellent for our sport. It provides coverage to some of the largest companies in Australia that have to do with MX, and eventually they will begin to appreciate the skill that is involved with racing an ATV around an MX Track, and will begin to provide support to ATV MX Racers. However, the battle Australia is facing is not completely within our continent, look at the US.... how many factory team are there... pretty much none, so it is next to impossible to think that will happen in Australia any time soon. BUT, being involved in the MX Nationals rounds will increase the possibility of the winner to be remunerated in some for (cash prizes, parts, and more sponsorships offered).

And at the end of the day, a grid of 20 mixed lever riders is better than 8 of the best in Australia.

[Mrs_Gaitar]

2013 Monster Energy MX Nationals Championship Calendar

The dates you need to reserve in your calendar for 2013 Are

April 14th
Raymond Terrace
NSW
MX1, MX2, MXD

April 28th
Murray Bridge
SA
MX1, MX2, MXQ

May 5th
Wonthaggi
VIC
MX1, MX2, MXD 2SC

May 19th
Broadford
VIC
MX1, MX2, MXD Amateur Cup

June 2nd
Conondale
QLD
MX1, MX2, Vets 30-39 Vets 40 plus






July 14th
Appin
NSW
MX1, MX2, MXD TBC

July 28th
Hervey Bay
QLD
MX1, MX2, MXD MXR

Augusts 11th
Swan Hill
VIC
MX1, MX2, MXD Amateur Cup

August 25th
Toowoomba
QLD
MX1, MX2, MXD, 2SC

September 1st
Coolum
QLD
MX1, MX2, MXD, 2SC, MXQ TBC


Vets 30-39, Vets 40plus,



Class Descriptions

MX1 (Pro Open

MX2 (Pro Lites)

MXD (Under 19’s)

MXQ (Pro Quads)
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[lukeb]

Nice work Mrs G i gave my boots a dust off the other day now just to go for a ride and maybe make it to the first round
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

As he said at Maffra the 3rd round and the "quad nats" would also be in Qld the following weekend after round 10. But as yet dont know where, Ive asked if he knows yet and also as you see its called Pro Quads so I guess it also means 450cc as per the new rules.
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[Dickie]

Now to get people keen and to fill the grid at each round!

Who is planning on going?

[Huskygoat]

Hmmmm what does this do for Junior racing???

Maybe our Nationals should be Juniors only?

If that how I read this?

Bit self centred ????? all these comments..... dont you think...

Dickie how to get sponsors back in our sport is full grids at our nationals with juniors..... A Healthy Market..... Have kids that want to be the Australian Champion ... to be like Lukeg ......


huskygoat
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[lukeb]

Huskygoat wrote:

Hmmmm what does this do for Junior racing??? Maybe our Nationals should be Juniors only? If that how I read this? Bit self centred ????? all these comments..... dont you think... huskygoat

Husky dont be worried about your future as a junior racer you still have time, it is only 2 race events with only 20 selected riders included in the BIGGEST motocross series in Australia, it is a WIN WIN for our sport if you think about it from a juniors point of view they are going to see there favourite Quad riders out there and think thats cool i want to be out there one day and it gives them something to aspire to, imagine how much crap the promoters are copping from the dirt bike riders and teams as you know how quads get treated i say lets show these guys how good we are and earn some of there respect
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[Dickie]

Huskygoat wrote:

Hmmmm what does this do for Junior racing??? Maybe our Nationals should be Juniors only? If that how I read this? Bit self centred ????? all these comments..... dont you think... Dickie how to get sponsors back in our sport is full grids at our nationals with juniors..... A Healthy Market..... Have kids that want to be the Australian Champion ... to be like Lukeg ...... huskygoat

Hi Husky

Mate, I completely agree with you in regards to the Junior thing. Unfortunately due to the size of our sport, we are unable to be picky. We must make the most of the opportunities our sport are given so that our sport has the possibility of growing, and building it for the future of our juniors. Otherwise if we do not, the sport will just die completely.

[KTM96]

Putting the Pro's out there with the top solo's at a number of events around the country I think is a good thing.

Good exposure to the rest of the sport. There will always be some that do or don't have the money to do it, that goes with all types of sport.


So does anyone know where the 2013 Quad Nationals will be? Heard last year was great would like to try to go to next years.