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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

The most important thing almost any of us can do right now is get on the starting line for an event. We have to get some people runnig and it needs bi-partisan (tri? Quad?) support from anyone who's got one to turn up and actually get it round the couorse.

We arent going to get any interest from either of the two major affiliates (MA or CAMS) if we dont have numbers on the line, we have to show commitment and growth.

So we need some travellers. For guys who havent been aware of the ATV scene Thumbpump is one of the major events on the ATV calendar and people travel from WA, NT, Qld and Tas for this event and this year with the inclusion of juniors and SXS's it is going to be the biggest Thumbpump event ever.

It is MA who have put up the insurance for SXS's for this event and you think they arent going to be watching who turns up and who doesn't?

We absolutely want to get numbers on the track and the subregs are available from the Thumbpump site has directions to the event.

Who is going to give it some commitment?. I went last year as an outrider and I'll be there again.

Andrew Seels turned up with a very nicely turned out Rhino last year but just drove it up and down pit lane, can we push him out onto the track?

I believe some Commanders will be ready to go at that time and there is even a rumour a Polaris RZR XP900 will be there, but only for a look not to event.

So you SXS guys who may be considering coming get in touch with Quad guys from your State if you want to form a convoy, put together a shared camp etc and get here for some racing.

As far as I know the highest concentration of SxS's on the forum is in SE QLD so you guys pull together and maybe bring a truck down all loaded up.

This is a numbers game and 3 guys on the start line wont cut it for the future of racing. So lets get some fields together and get it going.
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[Barney]

Andrew will be there but not in race ready , he will only be there to help out, to much to do to the rhino to bring it up to speed
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[47industries]

It's up to you guy's. No entries = no class and probably blowing any chance of having MA insure UTV's in other events going forward. I've done the hard bit, now you just need to prove that you want to race these things.
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Grizzly wrote:

Andrew will be there but not in race ready , he will only be there to help out, to much to do to the rhino to bring it up to speed

Really? I would have thought Seely was only nets away. This sint a race this is a trial event, he doesnt need to hot it up we just need to punt them round.

That and its not a fast course so he wouldnt be much disadvantaged for acceleration and his can do the magic 100 number.

Nobody with a Rhino, a Teryx or anything else Mick can enter for you should be put off having a go and having a good weekend.
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[47industries]

Um....yea it is a race! It's a trial race as far as MA are concerned, but there is still a killer Sidchrome tool box on the line and as far as the speed of the course goes, I wouldn't under estimate it!
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

47industries wrote:

Um....yea it is a race! It's a trial race as far as MA are concerned, but there is still a killer Sidchrome tool box on the line and as far as the speed of the course goes, I wouldn't under estimate it! Mick@47

Ha thats not what you said to me! (Maybe, Ive slept since then so you could have said anything I guess)

The prize I didnt notice on the subregs, but you know how well I got them ingrained!

Well we better see what www.thesxssite.com can pull out in the way of prizes to help that along.
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[Roycroft]

andrew is all show no go, but hopefully we can get him to have a go for once.
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The NQAC have been discussing UTV's with MA since very early last year. We don't claim to be the first, but I can state that our official documented advice to MA in June 2010 was advising that MA should formally look into UTV membership and events / racing.
Mick@47 has achieved MA's support and insurance coverage for the first such trial at the TP300.
If this UTV class does not get well supported, it's no-ones fault in particular, it just proves that the UTV scene in Australia is not ready or willing to commit to one of the cheapest events to enter even though it is reasonably centrally located in Australia.
How many participants that enter or show interest will form the result of this UTV event (not who actually won or anything like that).
It's a race, go and do it. Enter a couple of beat up old stock Rhinos and fight your mate not to come last... whatever.
If the factor that people are too scared to race each other because they might not win deters entrant numbers...
Then the over all result might not be very positive.

If you SxS guys want a racing or events future under MA...
Now is your chance to prove it.
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It really is up to you.
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[47industries]

The prize I didnt notice on the subregs, but you know how well I got them ingrained!

Sorry Gav, it wasn't in the sup regs, it is on the "Latest Info" page of www.300.thumbpump.com

Well we better see what www.thesxssite.com can pull out in the way of prizes to help that along.

How about sponsoring a class? UTV class even?
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Roycroft wrote:

andrew is all show no go, but hopefully we can get him to have a go for once.

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[Roycroft]

his rhino would make it around wouldn't it? i saw it last year didn't have a good look, besides i noticed that it is real wide.
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[Quadromatic]

what do you need to pass scrutaneering???
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12.1.1 UTV’s are required to have the following as a minimum: Driver and co-driver, 4 point harness for both occupants, roof of either plastic or aluminium, standard door nets or doors. Any equipment in tray must be adequately secured. No performance modifications are allowed unless ROPS approved roll cage is fitted, or cage is mounted to the chassis in at least 6 places. Driver and co-driver must both be in the machine while in motion for more than 20m.
12.1.2 UTV drivers and Co-drivers require as a minimum an approved helmet (per GCR’s), enclosed footwear, long pants, long sleeves, gloves and goggles.
Polaris RZRS and all Can-am Commanders have ROPS approved cages as standard. All other UTV's including standard RZR need to have no performance mods, unless you add a couple of tubes to the cage. You can buy the extra 2 tubes from an RZRS from Polaris and fit them to a standard RZR.
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[Roycroft]

what if they have a pipe, and small modifications etc etc, also things like beadlock wheels revalving of shocks or better tyres. will these rules be relaxed for this event?
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[47industries]

Why do you ask Mick, yours has a ROPS cage anyway, doesn't it?
It's a safety thing. If you want to make it perform better, make it safer at the same time.
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[PJSRZR]

We are having this same discussion at/with the CCDA. And behind the scenes I know most organisers are talking and working towards common rules and specs to give SXS owners a whole varity of events they can attend.

But SXS owners need to be aware, the common theme is (with the backing of Can-am and Polaris), performance modifications will be restricted and we want to keep them very close to "out-of-the-box". If you want to modify your machine to make it safer or more durable then we see no problem. Now I know that sounds very very vague, but that is the scenario we are currently working towards. In time I am sure, as numbers grow there will be additional classes to allow for extreme performance mods, but as we stand, to ensure we can start somewhere, this is what is asked for by most owners at the moment.

We already now have big disparities between makes and models and until we get some owners to have a go at events like this, it is hard to judge how one unit will perform against another and what sort of handicapps may need to be applied and what sort of thing owners want to do.

We should support this event, get involved and please, give us some feedback.

Phil

[Roycroft]

just re read your post after you confused me once again, if a ROPS cage is fitted then you can modify, i get it now.

just checking your wording princess, like last time when i picked up something for you.
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[Roycroft]

PJSRZR wrote:

We are having this same discussion at/with the CCDA. And behind the scenes I know most organisers are talking and working towards common rules and specs to give SXS owners a whole varity of events they can attend. But SXS owners need to be aware, the common theme is (with the backing of Can-am and Polaris), performance modifications will be restricted and we want to keep them very close to "out-of-the-box". If you want to modify your machine to make it safer or more durable then we see no problem. Now I know that sounds very very vague, but that is the scenario we are currently working towards. In time I am sure, as numbers grow there will be additional classes to allow for extreme performance mods, but as we stand, to ensure we can start somewhere, this is what is asked for by most owners at the moment. We already now have big disparities between makes and models and until we get some owners to have a go at events like this, it is hard to judge how one unit will perform against another and what sort of handicapps may need to be applied and what sort of thing owners want to do. We should support this event, get involved and please, give us some feedback. Phil

spot on Phil
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Roycroft wrote:

PJSRZR wrote: We are having this same discussion at/with the CCDA. And behind the scenes I know most organisers are talking and working towards common rules and specs to give SXS owners a whole varity of events they can attend. But SXS owners need to be aware, the common theme is (with the backing of Can-am and Polaris), performance modifications will be restricted and we want to keep them very close to "out-of-the-box". If you want to modify your machine to make it safer or more durable then we see no problem. Now I know that sounds very very vague, but that is the scenario we are currently working towards. In time I am sure, as numbers grow there will be additional classes to allow for extreme performance mods, but as we stand, to ensure we can start somewhere, this is what is asked for by most owners at the moment. We already now have big disparities between makes and models and until we get some owners to have a go at events like this, it is hard to judge how one unit will perform against another and what sort of handicapps may need to be applied and what sort of thing owners want to do. We should support this event, get involved and please, give us some feedback. Phil spot on Phil

Spot on sideways.

I cant believe you still want to preach to everybody else to sit back on the sidelines and watch while there is a manufacturer war over performance mods year to year just like every other type of motorcycling and think that other people that people are going to suck it and see and upgrade year to year. Its not a solution.

Hows a RZR'S going to compete with an XP?? I tell you how, its freakin not going to without performance upgrades. If I want to modify my S enough to get rear facing suspension on it to compete I will, if I want to up its capacity to 876cc I will, if I want to put another ATV engine in it that is under the regs I will. Why because the companies have no self imposed limitations and the XP proves it.

You guys want to put a hold on cheque book racing stop your own companies development. One of the first limitations I would have put on a open class was as 80x80 wheelbase restriction. Bye bye RZR XP!

I think we've heard quite enough of no cheque book racing preaching when Polaris change the whole class structure by putting the first set of rear facing swing arms effectively making it the ONLY ONE IN ITS CLASS and therefore not in the SXS class at all. Puts it in something like the trophy class or the like.

So lets forget the no upgrades arguement, set the standards for capacity/etc and leave it at that rather than whoever has the biggest (sausage) (donk) on the floor is going to be the winner that year. Just makes teams uncompetitive year to year and drives them OUT OF THE SPORT.

Whats being put up as a preference of manufacturers and whats being practiced is at two different ends of the spectrum and so bring them together internally or leave it alone. Coz at the moment it dont mean crap to the guy whose going to shell his money out in October to buy his racer for next year just to have the next model suprise released in January make his completely redundant off the from line.

I wont be supporting it and anyone who's got half a brain wont support it to have just the manufacturers determining year to year who has the best spec. Its a nonsense. Specs for racing are determined by regs not by manufacturers.

It is absolutely transparent that this arguement comes from Manufacturers being sick of someone buying one of their buggies in the States for $12 and then spending $18k on bits to make it to their spec. They are being screwed down on price only to see guys transferring that money straight into upgrades. Well its not being restricted in the sStates and since the SXS's are being manufactured for there its not about to happen that there will be a levelling out of the manufacturer machines.

The work I have been doing and will do with anyone is about standards alright, regulated standards not showroom standards. Everything else is as I have said, transparent.
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[Roycroft]

spot on sxs
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Roycroft wrote:

spot on sxs

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Roycroft has posted a new reply to "Who is going to make it to Thumbpump." in the "ATV Buggies & UTV" forum at OZ ATV :: The Australian ATV Forum. ----------------------------------------------- Posted text: interesting, so i guess we will not see you at any races ever? -----------------------------------------------

Reads a little different in the email that went to everyone doesnt it??
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[PJSRZR]

I not quite getting the jist of your issues Gavin?

So you are saying I can't come to Thumbpump with an XP RZR?

Or are you saying that I can, but anyone who bought an RZRS 2 months ago should not bother coming because they won't stand a chance or be competitive? If so, what should they do?

Just exactly how many SXS's do you think are sold in Australia?????

And what happens to all the existing owners each year who find that Can-am or Polaris have bought out an even more powerfull machine. Will they have to buy all new equipment to keep up (isn't that cheque book racing???).

Rather than condemning those trying to get something up and running, why not share your ideas on how you would set up and regulate the racing with all the variations in machines????

All that has ever been asked for is feedback and suggestions.

Phil

[Roycroft]

yes gavin it does, how bout that, well are we going to see you at any races?
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[Quadromatic]

so whats is involoved for the co-drive do they drive or just sit and enjoy the ride? and does the co drive have to have a race licence?
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[gazman]

Whats wrong with your 450 quad Brian??
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