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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

No, in a word no. And we'll have to depend on minority party support to win anything at all.

I start by saying Ive joined the Country Alliance political party and nominated for candidacy, The Country Alliance party have had a ground swell of support so candidacy is not a given. But Ive been asked to sign a piece of paper naming an electorate and I find out pretty darn soon I think if thats it.

Just wanted to share something with you today in the governments policy they are running on for the next four years.

Now it has been told to me this is actually the good document/gov't for us!! Only in that they have the "closest" alignment to what we eventually want and not at all because its mentioned. I havent read the other sides document but I have been told they, although having talked the greens down to death at the Federal election are up over their ears with them here at State level.

Why? because its a two party system, Labor or Lib's. One gets to govern. The others just get to influence them. The Libs want government so they promise the Greens more believing they'll be majority 3rd and thats just how the cookie crumbles. Its all about primary votes.

But have a read of this, despite the fact you arent doing anything Labour reckons they have been a bloody good mate to you in the last 4 years. They even pat themselves on the back for it. Well in tyerms of outdoor recreation.

And they reckon they have got another 4 years of prosperity in them for you. Dont take my word have a read of it and digest it if you can or want to. If not go to page 10 and have a look at the list of proposed spending on Outdoors recreation in the coming 4 years. $54mill proposed $20Mill on BOAT RAMPS (didn't know they were missing?) and $20 of fish stocks with 4 million on parks and the other $10 mill pencilled not penned in (read: goes to the first hospital,school or police budget issue they have)

Now do make your own mind up about this. Even try and get the other document.

But I'll say I'm not even chuffed with this one. There is no commitment at all in this document for Parks, Campgrounds, new or re-opened tracks and trails, no promises on defending your right to own a Quad, ATV or SXS and certainly nothing about using them. Nothing like even getting basic sanitation to camp grounds for everyone who apparently just fishes, doesnt 4wd to get there, doesnt stay overnight, doesnt create rubbish or sewage you keep naming the list and they havent got it arent going to have it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/41084317/Pursuing-the-Great-Outdoors

Now there is no need to dispair completely we do have a friend in Country Alliance and Labour wants us to hold their hand against the big bad Lib/Green machine. And they very well may get CA's support, especially if the Libs are still hot with the Greens but we may yet have the chance in some electorates to vote Labour 3rd last if we have friendlier minor parties in those electorates.

CA has had an overwhelming show of support from 4wding, shooting, fishing, camping, dirtbiking, Atving and as I said are oversubscribed with candidates, they get to choose who's best to run. And I make no apologies in my little rant that I have joined and I have nominated and if I get an electorate I'll be running hard on outdoor recreation its my business as well as my past-time.

With CA in every electorate there is no excuse for anyone not to vote below the line if you want the current situation to change and for CA as your party (There may be a better independant I wont rule out that possibility but CA have a front for you). Then in the next month write to the labor member of your electorate and of the electorates you go play in and you let them know that the last 4 years were crap, the current document is crap and if they dont want to be voted 3rd or even 2nd last they'll come out with a very positive statement on Outdoor recreation in their electorate. Even write a letter of support/reminder to your CA member that you are there and they have your vote.

Its time the children of the flower power generation got a swift kick in the arse and off the very comfortable couches we have invented for ourselves and got out there and showed every voter under 35-ish what life used to be like prior to Govt's starting selling infrastructure our taxes paid for and curbing our "outlandish antics" from 15 years ago til now.

You have a chance at making this right or we concede. You concede that we and our children will be cube animals the rest of our lives. Living in Orwellian 1984-esque boxes with a screen on the wall telling us what to do and what the world is like and how scary it is out there and you stay safe at home while we the govt look after it for you and your children to have (but NOT TO TOUCH OR USE) in the future.

Maximum altitude reached and rant over. We need huge swings in every seat and how to vote cards should be available at every booth. Give an hour or two every week in voluntary work to your rep. Give a day at a booth on voting weekend.

SHARE THE MESSAGE - every board, everybody.

DONT SAY SHE"LL BE RIGHT - it hasnt been and its getting worse

VOTE CA - if you have any value on outdoor recreation, the use of the land and any one of the other 20 policies available for viewing on the CA website.

And finally PARTICIPATE - never since a referendum have we had such a big opportunity to change the outlook that State government has about Victorians.
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[Barney]

Gav that post was so long winded , i actually thought it was spam from a polly
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Grizzly wrote:

Gav that post was so long winded , i actually thought it was spam from a polly

Well the SPAM bit was right!!

I was/am serious. I posted and mark my words the greens want your life with an ATV gone yesterday and they wont let you have a horse to go round up your sheep/cattle either they are against animal exploitation.

I'm measuring my cube right now just in case........
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[fossil800R]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

Its time the children of the flower power generation got a swift kick in the arse and off the very comfortable couches we have invented for ourselves and got out there and showed every voter under 35-ish what life used to be like prior to Govt's starting selling infrastructure our taxes paid for and curbing our "outlandish antics" from 15 years ago til now.

Gav, I dont know what "prior" life you are talking about but I have been riding bikes since high school and there was never a time that it was ok to ride unregistered vehicles in state forests or on any land other than your own or that belonging to a registered club. Regardless of who wins the state election, atv riders will be starting from scratch when it comes to securing equal riding and access rights with our two wheeled brothers.
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[Barney]

I dont think that voicing political views is in the best interest of this forum , as im sure it will soon get very heated
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

fossil700R wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: Its time the children of the flower power generation got a swift kick in the arse and off the very comfortable couches we have invented for ourselves and got out there and showed every voter under 35-ish what life used to be like prior to Govt's starting selling infrastructure our taxes paid for and curbing our "outlandish antics" from 15 years ago til now. Gav, I dont know what "prior" life you are talking about but I have been riding bikes since high school and there was never a time that it was ok to ride unregistered vehicles in state forests or on any land other than your own or that belonging to a registered club. Regardless of who wins the state election, atv riders will be starting from scratch when it comes to securing equal riding and access rights with our two wheeled brothers.

Theres a heap of things Foss from Fireworks on Halloween to non-privatisation of Govt assetts so electricity bills dont go up by 25% in one year.

As for ATV's in particular to say they have never had a law for them isnt entirely true, they were at some in that period deemed a registerable vehicle under certain conditions.

But although there may never have been a law for them there was never much in the way of laws agaiunst recreational riding is more my point. Now we have the fun police looking over your shoulder every time you go for a piss to make sure you dont shake it too many times, thats more the point of my statement. We weren't wrapped up to be cube dwellers the rest of our lives as we rapidly approach now.

I dont know if you read the recent decision in Vic by a council to stop racing on farmland thus stopping 4wd or any other form of auto racing (motorcycle / ATV if they had any events) on frarm property, a law passed in Vic in 2006 and never implemented by an y council until 5 months ago, ask Yogie about it.

All I'm asking as a business owner and user is that people make an informed decision.
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Grizzly wrote:

I dont think that voicing political views is in the best interest of this forum , as im sure it will soon get very heated

Grizz if it does I'll be suprised apparently its hard to get people to attend a meeting, ask Hugh, let alone actually participate in some form of political action.

All I'm asking is for people to make an informed decision, as a business owner and a user of ATV's I feel its the forum for it, if not where.

We have had political discussions on here before without much in the way of disagreement, in fact we have a sticky from when Yogie was a mod about the stopping of racing and that has political posts in it from Several people including Hugh and Yogie in the form of action to be taken.

We have no success with any other form of approach to getting any kind of recognition of ATV's anywhere.

Another thing is there are several negatives to be had for all owners of ATV's and furthr into everyones lives if some political parties get influence including closure of certain parks and more area's declared park land which may affect the limited amount of things people do now.

As I said if not here, where and if not now, when?
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[Barney]

Im sure Gav that everyone will be making an informed decision regardless of what is posted here , some people dont even care , and im sure there is no changing ther mind whatever you might say
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[fossil800R]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

I dont know if you read the recent decision in Vic by a council to stop racing on farmland thus stopping 4wd or any other form of auto racing (motorcycle / ATV if they had any events) on frarm property, a law passed in Vic in 2006 and never implemented by an y council until 5 months ago, ask Yogie about it.

Gav,
Was this an isolated case or have there been other instances of council refusing to allow the events to take place. What was the basis for the refusal?

This is an excerpt from the Pyrenees Shire Local laws 2007 pertaining to Environment. This is the Shire which contains our block. We received a copy of the laws following a meeting with the local by-laws officer earlier this year to clarify our right to ride on our property and to hold social rides. We have been assured that we can legally hold unorganised and unsanctioned rides on the property which is zoned as grazing and agricultural. Approval must be sought from the council however for any sanctioned or club meetings/rides. With the new council just recently elected and no changes nor indication of change to the by-laws reflected on the Shire's website, I can only assume that this will continue to be the case in the future.


5.8 RECREATION VEHICLES ON PRIVATE LAND
1) No owner or occupier shall allow or permit an activity involving the
use of a motor vehicle (including a motorcycle) to take place on their
land so as to cause significant degradation or damage to the land or
to the vegetation on that land.
2) This local law only applies to land in the Rural Conservation Zone of
the Pyrenees Planning Scheme and does not apply to any activity in
respect to which a permit has been issued pursuant to the Pyrenees
Planning Scheme or which is permitted under that Planning Scheme.
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

fossil700R wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: I dont know if you read the recent decision in Vic by a council to stop racing on farmland thus stopping 4wd or any other form of auto racing (motorcycle / ATV if they had any events) on frarm property, a law passed in Vic in 2006 and never implemented by an y council until 5 months ago, ask Yogie about it. Gav, Was this an isolated case or have there been other instances of council refusing to allow the events to take place. What was the basis for the refusal? This is an excerpt from the Pyrenees Shire Local laws 2007 pertaining to Environment. This is the Shire which contains our block. We received a copy of the laws following a meeting with the local by-laws officer earlier this year to clarify our right to ride on our property and to hold social rides. We have been assured that we can legally hold unorganised and unsanctioned rides on the property which is zoned as grazing and agricultural. Approval must be sought from the council however for any sanctioned or club meetings/rides. With the new council just recently elected and no changes nor indication of change to the by-laws reflected on the Shire's website, I can only assume that this will continue to be the case in the future. 5.8 RECREATION VEHICLES ON PRIVATE LAND 1) No owner or occupier shall allow or permit an activity involving the use of a motor vehicle (including a motorcycle) to take place on their land so as to cause significant degradation or damage to the land or to the vegetation on that land. 2) This local law only applies to land in the Rural Conservation Zone of the Pyrenees Planning Scheme and does not apply to any activity in respect to which a permit has been issued pursuant to the Pyrenees Planning Scheme or which is permitted under that Planning Scheme.

In the case put it was the Cross Country Drivers Association wanting to hold one of their yearly events at a regular farmland based track.

They applied for a permit on which is based their non-CAMS or MA insurance they hold which also allowed the SXS machines to take part.

The basis of the refusal of that permit and the subsequent likelyhood of further cancellations made them pull the pin on the their whole second half of the year (dont know amount of events)

Like I said Yogie actually knows more about the particulars of who it affected because he was following the news through from a trail riders ass point of view I believe and we met in the middle.

The state legistlation reffered to me (not by name) was made in 2006.

So I haven't got any more on board than that at this stage.

More river bed racing up "the head"? or there actually water in those spots now or your alright?
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[priesty]

Grizzly wrote:

I dont think that voicing political views is in the best interest of this forum , as im sure it will soon get very heated

Anything that's in the best interests of ATV owners/users & their access to public land/ forrests, is likewise, in the best interests of this forum, as without us there is no forum. I for one, support any exchange of views that furthers our cause & champions our rights as citizens of this country, & I categorically reject any attempts to enforce so-called "political correctness" , especially on a public forum such as this one.
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priesty wrote:

Grizzly wrote: I dont think that voicing political views is in the best interest of this forum , as im sure it will soon get very heated Anything that's in the best interests of ATV owners/users & their access to public land/ forrests, is likewise, in the best interests of this forum, as without us there is no forum. I for one, support any exchange of views that furthers our cause & champions our rights as citizens of this country, & I categorically reject any attempts to enforce so-called "political correctness" , especially on a public forum such as this one.

Totally agree........

Lets face facts and name names. Labor with their Green Party shackles firmly in place do not want any form of recreational motorsport allowed wether on public or private land.

We do have rights but they have been slowly whittled away under the current regime.

The Lib's are our only choice if we want to get things changed. Unfortunetely this time round the Lib's have bigger fish to fry and our voice will not be heard.

If we really want to get political then we need to join forces with the fishermen, horse riders & 4x4 die hards to get the numbers that will make the pollies listen.

[yogie]

Grizzly wrote:

Im sure Gav that everyone will be making an informed decision regardless of what is posted here , some people dont even care , and im sure there is no changing ther mind whatever you might say

thats the biggest problem, no one cares. The City folk have to put up with the greens all year round and when they make descision from Spring street that affect the country folk then what do we do, I know we dont even care, well I think we all need to forget the old saying, "dont discuss sport, politics and religion" we are heading to that creek without a paddle super quick, and when the big country regions start getting an influx of green in them, they drop in candidates just to get the preference vote and have no care in actually winning and then before you know it, we are all stuffed. And Its coming.
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Just to round out my first post, my nomination for CA candidacy has been accepted and I will be running for the lower house seat of the "Macedon Shire".

So if anyone lives there, knows anyone there, is ionvolved with groups that meet there, participate in groups that spend money there and thinks CA is their bag we will be running there and we will be representing particular Macedon issues as much as possible as is my job as the Candidate.

Specifically in landzoning, roads and petty crime. Provision of extra services in policing, ambulance and hospitals to match the expanding population.

But also general policies of CA heavily support the area with the decentralisation of Government department of DSE, Primary Industries and Infrastructure.

Halt of any further and review of previous, privatisation decisions.

Direct public scrutiny of other political parties policies will also be of primary concern as outlined previously.

If anyone feels so inclined to assist in the campaigning or ballott booths whatever. You can contact the CA admin on [url]admin@countryalliance.org[/url] so do it like you mean it!
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[popd63]

I don't know of any pollies who go out and have fun with the lads on Quads.
So in reality whoever gets in does not matter.
We are all screwed because they have not experienced the enjoyment of the sport.

Their enjoyment is to go down the club and dip their sour dough in balsamic vinegar.
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popd63 wrote:

So in reality whoever gets in does not matter.

Do you think this thread and the people posting on it actually believe that spin?

As a candidate am I now a Pollie? How about that guy who got stuck mountain climbing last year, he's an adventurous sort of bloke, you can say he hasnt tried it can you?

What about some of the Nationals members? You think they werent you farm boys at some point and havent had a bit of a go at it?

We have 4 upper house candidates and 33 lower house candidates theyre all from, in and still heavily involved in outdoor recreation activities in country area's, including in some instances, quading.

A post like yours is a grim reminder of the absolute apathy of the Australian voter over the past 20 years.

I'm glad to have just had the Federal election, in that how to be political is still in people's minds. To know how crucial first prefernce votes are as non-party but bi-partisan senators arte the absolute key to winning the influence we want to get a sport and recreational riding approved. To getting parklands and tracks opened.

I hope evryone has a good hard look at that post and ask yourself if thats you or anyone else you know who is right up there with other party's ideas of making people cube dwellers.
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[popd63]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

popd63 wrote: So in reality whoever gets in does not matter. Do you think this thread and the people posting on it actually believe that spin? As a candidate am I now a Pollie? How about that guy who got stuck mountain climbing last year, he's an adventurous sort of bloke, you can say he hasnt tried it can you? What about some of the Nationals members? You think they werent you farm boys at some point and havent had a bit of a go at it? We have 4 upper house candidates and 33 lower house candidates theyre all from, in and still heavily involved in outdoor recreation activities in country area's, including in some instances, quading. A post like yours is a grim reminder of the absolute apathy of the Australian voter over the past 20 years. I'm glad to have just had the Federal election, in that how to be political is still in people's minds. To know how crucial first prefernce votes are as non-party but bi-partisan senators arte the absolute key to winning the influence we want to get a sport and recreational riding approved. To getting parklands and tracks opened. I hope evryone has a good hard look at that post and ask yourself if thats you or anyone else you know who is right up there with other party's ideas of making people cube dwellers.

In short yes most do believe the spin.
I have been around a long time and do not value pre election promises because I have seen the majority of them broken.

As far as the guy stuck on the mountain, don't get me started on him, I was not impressed with his role when he was the police minister!

I would put forward that the National party members when they rode their farm quads were doing so for work rounding up sheep, and down the blocks checking water. Not for enjoyment.

I have been working for 32 years so I think I can express my views and apathy. I love working 7 days a week and paying heaps of tax to look after the ones who dont wish to work but still drink, smoke and do drugs. Mind you they are the ones who keep me employed.

As far as the greens etc, my wife works for the DSE and I know the agenda they have and yes sorry all of us who are off roaders in one form or another are the minority, and are slowly getting squeezed out.

We have a bigger battle when we want to ride in Natonal parks , public land etc. We will never be able to rec rego our quads.
Take a peek into the Road Safety Act of 1986 and try and find where quads sit.
BTW don't go to the wheeled recreation vehicle section, because it is not there, and quads are not classed as motor cycles either. Trust me this I do know.
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popd63 wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: popd63 wrote: So in reality whoever gets in does not matter. Do you think this thread and the people posting on it actually believe that spin? As a candidate am I now a Pollie? How about that guy who got stuck mountain climbing last year, he's an adventurous sort of bloke, you can say he hasnt tried it can you? What about some of the Nationals members? You think they werent you farm boys at some point and havent had a bit of a go at it? We have 4 upper house candidates and 33 lower house candidates theyre all from, in and still heavily involved in outdoor recreation activities in country area's, including in some instances, quading. A post like yours is a grim reminder of the absolute apathy of the Australian voter over the past 20 years. I'm glad to have just had the Federal election, in that how to be political is still in people's minds. To know how crucial first prefernce votes are as non-party but bi-partisan senators arte the absolute key to winning the influence we want to get a sport and recreational riding approved. To getting parklands and tracks opened. I hope evryone has a good hard look at that post and ask yourself if thats you or anyone else you know who is right up there with other party's ideas of making people cube dwellers. In short yes most do believe the spin. I have been around a long time and do not value pre election promises because I have seen the majority of them broken. As far as the guy stuck on the mountain, don't get me started on him, I was not impressed with his role when he was the police minister! I would put forward that the National party members when they rode their farm quads were doing so for work rounding up sheep, and down the blocks checking water. Not for enjoyment. I have been working for 32 years so I think I can express my views and apathy. I love working 7 days a week and paying heaps of tax to look after the ones who dont wish to work but still drink, smoke and do drugs. Mind you they are the ones who keep me employed. As far as the greens etc, my wife works for the DSE and I know the agenda they have and yes sorry all of us who are off roaders in one form or another are the minority, and are slowly getting squeezed out. We have a bigger battle when we want to ride in Natonal parks , public land etc. We will never be able to rec rego our quads. Take a peek into the Road Safety Act of 1986 and try and find where quads sit. BTW don't go to the wheeled recreation vehicle section, because it is not there, and quads are not classed as motor cycles either. Trust me this I do know.

I know you believe that because you posted, my post was more aimed at other people.

Yours mine and everyone else's life comes down to the who's gunna do it to and who gunna have it done to.

You're gunna have it done to you, this is your choice and you make it here and clear out in the open.

I say by all means express yourself, I did not before and do not now say, dont say anything. I believe in free speach and you should have a say. But I dont have to believe it just as you dont have to believe me as anyone else doesnt have to believe either of us. People shouldn't take anything on our say-so, get off their blurt and have a good solid look at the "whats the story?"

But in the space of 4 years over 33 more people have changed their mind from having it done to them to doing it themselves and have become candidates, how many more people have realised their vote as an individual counts?

How many more people see another defeatist post that says sell up your quads and close the forum now because its dead and done with already?, so why waste extra time?, get on with designing your cube before demands for cube accessories pushes the price up.

You dont have to work for the DSE to know the Greens agenda. Have a look at their website and it doesnt stop with closing parks and offroad motorsports, they want injecting rooms up your street, funded by you including the heroin they get to inject. They have 282 bucketlist policies to capture the gripes of everyone who's had a beef with Telstra to stopping the use of coal fired generators in Vic tommorrow (75% of our power and 40% of our brown coal mined goes to coking steel not burning for fuel)

Years of Vicroads beaurachracy can be eliminated with the stroke of a pen so they are the least of my worries. Get in and they will be done over.

So we may not get everything we want overnight, but plenty of people have said the train ride is over, its time you met the wall called the previously silent majority.

The reason to believe in pre-election promises is that they are made by your own people not an interest group for once and you just vote long enough and hard enough to make that a reality. Your own people in office.

Thats what the whole aim of the scheme is, not to have to depend on the promises of others.
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[yogie]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

I know you believe that because you posted, my post was more aimed at other people.

look Gav, I know what your saying and I can almost agree with most of what your saying, and here's a news bullitin you are a pollie, or a candidate now so the jibe "other people" wont cut it, and dont think that what you write wont get out to your openents, looking for any thing they can throw back at you, and here and now I will say its because of your thread here, I looked at the CA and I joined up, but dont be a dill and turn off the total ozatv population. And I thought I'll pm ol gav about this but bugger it I put it here. Good luck on the 26th and I mean it bloke but dont hit those you profess to support or back with your best pollies stick.

spoken and written by me, and I lost moderators hat for this post...

oh if you want let me have it, and it will be tolerated just this once, go for it because I believe what I say.
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yogie wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: I know you believe that because you posted, my post was more aimed at other people. look Gav, I know what your saying and I can almost agree with most of what your saying, and here's a news bullitin you are a pollie, or a candidate now so the jibe "other people" wont cut it, and dont think that what you write wont get out to your openents, looking for any thing they can throw back at you, and here and now I will say its because of your thread here, I looked at the CA and I joined up, but dont be a dill and turn off the total ozatv population. And I thought I'll pm ol gav about this but bugger it I put it here. Good luck on the 26th and I mean it bloke but dont hit those you profess to support or back with your best pollies stick. spoken and written by me, and I lost moderators hat for this post... oh if you want let me have it, and it will be tolerated just this once, go for it because I believe what I say.

Yogie, what are you talking about? and I'm serious and facescious in any way, I dont understand at what point you think I was jibing anyone because I sincerely wasnt. Let me back up to just after your post and see if I can figure where you think I'm jibing you particularly or anyone else.

PopD made a statement that I thought said its hopeless. Looking at his post now I dont know if he was speaking of a specific group when he was referring to "the lads" as I dont know PopD.

I made a post that said you dont really believe its all that hopeless do you? That some of the people running now or even in Govt may have done some quadding? You make the point that as a candidate I am a Pollie now so since Ive been to Thumb pump and scouted Kinglake when it was first cut with Pete and the owner does that mean I have gone quadding?, so at least one Pollie has.

PopD makes the point he does believe it and he thinks most people believe it. He thinks we wont get the political sway and that beaurachracy will eat us up and it will all be over.

Then I say as you quoted, that my post was mainly aimed at other people and it seems you think this was potentially aiomed at you or other forum contributors. That PopD can make his post and I hope people use that as a wake up call, I make my own arguements that we can change things if we gain political power and that the previously unheard silent majority has been unsettled enough to speak out.

Now I dont think Ive jibed anyone there.

And I'll back that up by saying I dont think that anyone who would take the time out of their lives to be a mod, participate in a forum, organise group rides and even in the Trailriders sense finalise an organisation to swing their collective power is at the end of the point I make that is for others.

Some people will argue that it has to be aimed at someone in the post well nothing could be further from the truth. We have a lot more members and "readers" than we have actual contributors. We may even have people read the forum who are not quad riders and its to those people I make the point that we have a chance if we take the action.

I just dont see how you can think Im having a go at you when we have collectively looked over the off-road racing issue together and tried to track that (and I'll give you a doosie of a quote from another forum by PM on that one)

So having explained possibly further what I meant if jibed anyone or offended anyone I am sorry, I have tried to make every post I could in the greatest enthusiasm but with absolutely no offence to a particular person or persons. As I said in my post Popd is able to say what he believes and I dont have to agree with it and I can say what I think and no-one has to agree with that and no-one has to agree with either of us.

But there is nothing there I think to suggest that I have jibed anyone let alone you who has put more into this over a longer period of time than I have as have others. But I'm there and willing to fight for it.

No jibes, OK?. Cheers.
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

I wanted to post this seperately so it was not lost byu people who didnt want to read all the previous junk.

Thanks to Yogie for his well wishes on the campaign trail and no doubt at all I will need all the well wishes and particularly public support to get anywhere.

But I will drive this where I can for ATV alike.
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[popd63]

SXS Machine racing team wrote:

Years of Vicroads beaurachracy can be eliminated with the stroke of a pen so they are the least of my worries. Get in and they will be done over. .

I love your passion and I will never knock that, I hope that you do make a difference.

The stroke of a pen , I hope you meant that as a figure of speech?
The reason why I say that is that it is not as easy as a stroke of a pen to change Laws, Legislation , Rules and Regulations.

There must have the majority vote, from Pollies/ Judges/ Magistrates not the minority. after months and most times years of deliberation with the onus on the applicants to put forward an air tight case to prove why the changes need to be made for the benefit of the majority of the members of the public, and their opinions.

As I said in a previous post, we off roaders in one form or another are the minority not the majority.

BTW I am not offended, nor do I take your replies to me as a personal attack, or insulting.

My replies to you are not intended that way either.

Good luck with the quest , there will be a lot more legal argument to come, and I hope you succeed.
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

popd63 wrote:

SXS Machine racing team wrote: Years of Vicroads beaurachracy can be eliminated with the stroke of a pen so they are the least of my worries. Get in and they will be done over. . I love your passion and I will never knock that, I hope that you do make a difference. The stroke of a pen , I hope you meant that as a figure of speech? The reason why I say that is that it is not as easy as a stroke of a pen to change Laws, Legislation , Rules and Regulations. There must have the majority vote, from Pollies/ Judges/ Magistrates not the minority. after months and most times years of deliberation with the onus on the applicants to put forward an air tight case to prove why the changes need to be made for the benefit of the majority of the members of the public, and their opinions. As I said in a previous post, we off roaders in one form or another are the minority not the majority. BTW I am not offended, nor do I take your replies to me as a personal attack, or insulting. My replies to you are not intended that way either. Good luck with the quest , there will be a lot more legal argument to come, and I hope you succeed.

True True and True PopD - Certainly been no offence taken on my behalf and none intended on mine as well.

True that the Pen stroking happens after a lot of politics and bill passing.

True that we are not the majority ourselves but in combination with other outdoor recreational groups we can be powerful.

True there is a lot of work ahead and I pretty much conceed I'm in a safe labour seat after several elections of success with the incumbent. My success I dont think will be measured by current election but by the ability to get the mention of ATV's/UTV's into CA policy as possible.

My hopes for the election are to 1st, get more than 4% of the vote to get the nomination fee back, 2nd beat the Greens into 3rd whiuch will take about 10% of the vote (4000 odd) 3rd to win outright or on preferances.

If I can get as far as 2 in a seat that contains Daylesford I guess I should be happy with that.

Thanks for your support to PopD
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So how did you go Gavin?
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[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Big Jb TRX450 wrote:

So how did you go Gavin?

Decided the seat!
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