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[mikerosenkids]

Got some dually's for the quad and a 10inch for the centre of the Cruiser between some 170 Light Force (standard) haven't mounted them yet but have tried them at night and they look pretty good. The small ones on the quad are really good with low current draw. I will probably remove them from the bike when the whole family go camping and run them as camp lights

Cheers Mike

[dangerman4]

i have 2 x 10 inch rigid bars and i agree totally.

http://www.lemickracing.com/products/category/101/atv/lighting


i highly recomend this company for purchasing rigid lights.
Snake gave me the run around so i approached ^^^^^ and got 2 x 10inch bars delivered in 6 days with a atv mount for $800

they can do way better then there website price so ask the question.

in my opinion the rigid lights are a in a league of there own as they have a polished reflector. while there competition has a dull shitty reflector.

i own both and rigid wins hands down for distance, spread and price.
both have good build quality.
both made in america.

[JRE]

hey dangerman what is the wattage of the bars I'd like to catch up and compare them side by side . I have a 34" bar and a 9" bar to try out. What's the warrantee on them??

[dangerman4]

no probs JRE i have access to a rather expensive lux meter so we can compare out at 100m and 200m.

the 10inch bars that i have draw 38 watts

[dangerman4]

both lights are limited lifetime warranty

[MitchellBros4x4]

JRE wrote:

hey dangerman what is the wattage of the bars I'd like to catch up and compare them side by side . I have a 34" bar and a 9" bar to try out. What's the warrantee on them??

Hi JRE, 38 watts and 3 amps.


http://store.mitchellbros.com.au/rigid-industries-led-lights/e-series-lightbars/rigid-industries-e-series-10-spot-led-lightbar.html
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[MitchellBros4x4]

dangerman4 wrote:

Snake gave me the run around

That's unusual..............
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[dangerman4]

your website pricing seems a little excessive.....

[MitchellBros4x4]

dangerman4 wrote:

your website pricing seems a little excessive.....

OK, thanks for your feedback.

Just trying to make a few dollars and expand our repertoire.

I guess it depends if you want to be able to drop in and pick up the lights or have us send them to you quickly. I personally like supporting Australian small business and would buy locally before shipping my dollars directly offshore. When you buy local you are keeping an Aussie employed.
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[dangerman4]

i couldnt agree more with supporting local buisness.
but i also see you struggling to turn over products when your nearly double the price of what i paid.

lower your price and everyone will buy thru you instead of looking offshore

[JRE]

Price isnt the only factor service costs money try getting warrantee and back up when you cut the arse out of a local guy he cant compete quality cost money if the supplier is giving you the same price as a distributor then he is a cockhead and has just cut his own throat cos once you broadcast what you paid then there is no reason for someone to carry a product for resale when he cant make a margin to keep his doors open.

Just my opinion as a business owner trying to survive in a tough market place

[Clarkie]

JRE wrote:

Price isnt the only factor service costs money try getting warrantee and back up when you cut the arse out of a local guy he cant compete quality cost money if the supplier is giving you the same price as a distributor then he is a cockhead and has just cut his own throat cos once you broadcast what you paid then there is no reason for someone to carry a product for resale when he cant make a margin to keep his doors open. Just my opinion as a business owner trying to survive in a tough market place

As a business owner myself I agree, Its hard to compete in the Auto Elec trade with places like Repco selling Falcon starters over the counter $50 cheaper than I can buy them and ebay flogging cheap china made stuff also.
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[feralkid]

Just buy them off Repco Clarkie.
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[dangerman4]

so if i can buy something at the same price or cheaper then you can as a distributor dosent that tell u something...
surely theres alarm bells in your head saying why am i getting screwed when other suppliers are getting a far better deal then me?
obviously repco would buy the starters by the pallet load so they get a better deal.
but if aus sellers ordered in when needed or kept a small amount of stock why cant u charge 20% for sending 1 email and doing a money transfer? instead of 80% for one email and a money transfer.

im not cutting anyones lunch and i have held of even mentioning the rigid lights existed for a long time, puerly in respect to your buisness venture JRE.

[JRE]

Firstly my comments were based around your reply to Mitchell 4x4 after you announced you can get his product at half his price his reply being he is only trying to keep aussies in jobs.
With regard to the VisionX lights I have access to through my sponsorship they are a premium quality product and as such are not cheap. There will always be a market for cheaper alternatives. The 3 watt technology is old now and that is why the market is flooded with cheaper chinese made versions that can be of excellent and or average quality depending on the QA of the factories. The new 10 watt technology in the lights I distribute for VisionX are the lastest thing but soon enough they will be copied too. There are 15 and 20watt LEDS coming soon once the driver technology becomes reliable. But in time that will be copied aswell. This is why genuine products are expensive because of the R&D that goes into developing that quality product to market until the chinese can copy it and under cut the price at which time a new product comes out always one step ahead.

Competition is good but its got to be apples for apples.

[dangerman4]

your looking at it for your point of view and not from my point of view.

if average Joe down the rd can purchase something delivered in 6 days for $380 AU, with the same warranty. buy just doing a simple google search.


then why would a australian reseller charging $580 come on here after i have allready put a link up showing a price?


why do retailers in oz try and charge so much for doing nothing?
as i mentioned earlier if you guys lowered your prices accoring to the buy in price that Joe public can get then, you will sell a heap more stock and become proffitable instead of struggling.

i would much rather support local then buy offsure but $200 for the same thing with the same delivery time to where i live isa bit exy as i mentioned

[MitchellBros4x4]

dangerman4 wrote:

your looking at it for your point of view and not from my point of view. if average Joe down the rd can purchase something delivered in 6 days for $380 AU, with the same warranty. i would much rather support local then buy offsure but $200 for the same thing with the same delivery time to where i live isa bit exy as i mentioned

It's an ongoing problem with private imports from the states.

As rebuttal to your claim of $380 delivered, I question the legitimacy of such a claim.

There are several factors that would affect that pricing.

International currency conversions rates.
Bank charges or fees for said transaction.
Freight costs.
Customs Tariffs.
GST if applicable.

Having said all that, I believe you are not paying $200 extra for such an item and when you factor all these item to the equation you will find the pricing isn't that different.

I am trying to justifying my position and price point but I understand that people will always think we are making a massive profit margin on the items we sell, there is nothing I can do about that.

If you want a good product and reliable after sales service then a local supplier is you best bet.

One more thing, how am I supposed to be able run specials and release online store vouchers if we don't have a fair price to start with............

http://store.mitchellbros.com.au/rigid-industries-led-lights
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http://www.store.mitchellbros4x4.com.au

[Clarkie]

dangerman4 wrote:

if average Joe down the rd can purchase something delivered in 6 days for $380 AU, with the same warranty. buy just doing a simple google search. why do retailers in oz try and charge so much for doing nothing?

Because in china they get paid $2 and hour and in my business this is what I have to pay out for from the profit I make,

Equipment
Rent
Mainenance
Admin staff
Wages
Freight
TAXES
Regulation Compliance
Bank Charges
Superannuation
Power
Stationary
Licences
Leave Loading
Sick Leave
IT Costs
Telephone
Insurance
Specialist Tools
Uniforms/ workwear
Training
Professional Fees
Technical Info Access

im sure theres more out there, So the $30 i make on a $130 part doesnt go far.

Plus you have to pay TAX EVERY YEAR on your stock that you keep.

So im pretty sure employers in other countries dont have to shell out as much as we do in Aus with there profit margin.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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[triple"A"]

i feel or at least , felt your pain clarkie

warehousing, distribution, administration and compliance costs eat away at the margin on a shelved product before it's sold to a customer

consider population too, ie more people = more sales = faster turnover = less cost per unit in ancilliary costs, as mentioned above, therefore allowing lower profit margin per unit, yet still post a healthy bottom line at the end of the financial year

so to get rich quick, find a product that millions of people need , and monopolise the market for that product in a highly populated country. seeya i'm off to sell thongs in china lol