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[Cypher]

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I'd love to see more pick's as well as more info.

I love the look but not the price, I feel an Ag/work style would be more versatile, but if I win lotto I'll be sure to grab one lol

[Cypher]

500 HO wrote:

Mate save up the spondolies and go for a can am 650 outlander max XT, just swapped over from a 500 sportsman and the can am with more power and power steering is a blast. The 800 is to much in my opinion in the tight stuff that i like to ride, picked up the outlander for just over the amount you are looking at. Andy

Mate I love the look of the Can-Am's they are just to expensive to justify (That is with no more price research than Bikepoint $15,000 new)

Not to mention they are just getting to long to fit side ways on my Dual Cab tray back - at 2.387m long they are going to overhang the side's by about 25cm either side, still legal without signs, but a pain in the backside.

[Dino]

Cypher wrote:

Dino wrote: I also had a good look at the new X-5's. Mechanically the same with improvements to the body fixings and better switchgear lay outs compared to our bike. And a impressive 2 year warranty also. So maybe include those service charges in the total price. . Forgive me but X-5? who makes them? what are they? I'm sure I'll feel stupid after you tell me but hey, why not

CF Moto. It is in the link that I sent you.....
Their 1st generation bike was the 500, the 2nd, ( Our bike ) is the 500A.
Mechanically and physically the same but with a digital instead of analogue dash. The X series are their 3rd generation. And have up-dated plastics, switchgear and a very torquey EFI 600 in the line-up.

The Blade bikes were at the show also. They look OK.
If I were new and looking for a quad, I'd have been like one of those sideshow clowns at the Royal Easter Show:
Mouth open, eyes wide and going back and forth......

I am, like most people on this forum, quite happy with my personal choice. And also like them, I am aware of the stuff out there.
I envy, dislike and love comparing the "opposition" to what is my choice.

And all that is part of the fun........
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[Cypher]

Dino wrote:

Cypher wrote: Dino wrote: I also had a good look at the new X-5's. Mechanically the same with improvements to the body fixings and better switchgear lay outs compared to our bike. And a impressive 2 year warranty also. So maybe include those service charges in the total price. . Forgive me but X-5? who makes them? what are they? I'm sure I'll feel stupid after you tell me but hey, why not CF Moto. It is in the link that I sent you..... Their 1st generation bike was the 500, the 2nd, ( Our bike ) is the 500A. Mechanically and physically the same but with a digital instead of analogue dash. The X series are their 3rd generation. And have up-dated plastics, switchgear and a very torguey EFI 600 in the line-up. The Blade bikes were at the show also. They look OK. If I were new and looking for a quad, I'd have been like one of those sideshow clowns at the Royal Easter Show: Mouth open, eyes wide and going back and forth...... I am, like most people on this forum, quite happy with my personal choice. And also like them, I am aware of the stuff out there. I envy, dislike and love comparing the "opposition" to what is my choice. And all that is part of the fun........

One other concern is I will be moving to Tassie (nice trail rides...thank god...screw NSW), it's just a matter of when and I need decent access to dealers for warranty/servicing/parts, currently both TGB and CF-Moto have only 1 dealer in Launceston which is the opposite end to where I will be.

In the long run I will look at the Cf-Moto utility SxS (SWAT I think) for running around paddocks and collecting firewood (I'll just have to make day trips to Launceston occasionally) as they are a great price new and it wont be doing to much heavy lifting so to speak.
The wife will use it mostly in the garden.

[Dino]

Maintaining quad bikes is not rocket science.
But it is a important part of a real dealers income.
The only thing that is a real hassle is doing valve adjustment when you've gotta remove most of the front end to get to the head(s).
Otherwise normal servicing is dead simple.
Once you move from capitol cities, nearly all parts have to be shipped. Doesn't matter if your in Tamworth, Tilpa, Toowoomba or Tippoburra, the trick is to know which suppliers and what lead time is required.
Nuts and bolts are simple, not so diagnostics.
Most people muddle through.
And if in doubt, SHOUT!
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[Cypher]

Dino wrote:

Maintaining quad bikes is not rocket science. But it a important part of a real dealers income. The only thing that is a real hassle is doing valve adjustment when you've gotta remove most of the front end to get to the head(s). Otherwise normal servicing is dead simple. Once you move from capitol cities, nearly all parts have to be shipped. Doesn't matter if your in Tamworth, Tilpa, Toowoomba or Tippoburra, the trick is to know which suppliers and what lead time is required. Nuts and bolts are simple, not so diagnostics. Most people muddle through. And if in doubt, SHOUT!

Servicing is no hassel (the Army taught me something after all) just while it's under warranty is what concerns me, even though it doesn't last long I'd like to keep it valid.

[Dino]

I think this footage was to test the fastenings on a quad.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqW18GNObA

The old Govt system taught lots of usefull stuff in civilian life....
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[Cypher]

Dino wrote:

I think this footage was to test the fastenings on a quad..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqW18GNObA The old Covt system taught lots of usefull stuff in civilian life....

They don't let Aussie Army play like that...some discipline thing, well unless your SAS that is

Is Covt a typo or am I missing something?

[Dino]

Cypher wrote:

Dino wrote: I think this footage was to test the fastenings on a quad..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqW18GNObA The old Covt system taught lots of usefull stuff in civilian life.... They don't let Aussie Army play like that...some discipline thing, well unless your SAS that is Is Covt a typo or am I missing something?

Typo!! Now fixed. Thank you Cypher-spell check!
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[Cypher]

Dino wrote:

Cypher wrote: Dino wrote: I think this footage was to test the fastenings on a quad..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqW18GNObA The old Covt system taught lots of usefull stuff in civilian life.... They don't let Aussie Army play like that...some discipline thing, well unless your SAS that is Is Covt a typo or am I missing something? Typo!! Now fixed. Thank you Cypher-spell check!

Sorry...thought maybe it was some awesome acronym I've never seen lol.

Govt has to come in handy for something, though I'm not sure what our current one is good for.

[ATVOffroad]

Fox wrote:

more pics please whats it like on fuel???

It's pretty good on fuel, haven't got through a whole tank on a one day trip so far so good. We run our ATV's on the good stuff so that might help!



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[Dino]

Two-up, our bike uses < 2 litres a hour on the trails.
19 litre tank means we are fairly right on day trips.
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[Cypher]

ATVoffroad

How do you compare the Renegade to the Grizzly when it comes to comfort and trail capability? Forget speed and power as I'm assuming the Renegade tops out there.

I have to say if it wasn't for the lack of storage on the Renegade (for weekend trail rides) I would seriously consider one.

[ATVOffroad]

Cypher wrote:

ATVoffroad How do you compare the Renegade to the Grizzly when it comes to comfort and trail capability? Forget speed and power as I'm assuming the Renegade tops out there. I have to say if it wasn't for the lack of storage on the Renegade (for weekend trail rides) I would seriously consider one.

Good question Cypher as I have riden the Grizzly a few times. Well, I'd say the seat is softer slightly, it has a manual front diff lock over an auto, it has powersteering, my model doesn't, it has more storage compartments, two racks (mine has none unless you buy the Can Am version which is small) We are going to design & build a big rear rack for the Renegades. So that will solve that problem!

The Grizzly is a plusher ride, the Renegade shocks are set up for higher speed shock absorbing work so the rears are a bit stiff, the front works well though. My wheels are combined 4" wider than standard and 2" taller than standard as I wanted a machine that could rock crawl and play in the mud.

Trail capability comes down to tyres as I'm yet to get stuck and so is the Grizzly, the auto locker takes some getting use to but you just have to keep throttling to get the locker to engage.

I have a Camel Pak that I use for extra storage and the tool kit goes in the storage compartment behind the rear light. But I bought the Renegade for looks as am a big fan of the angry front end. Its a cross over from a utility and a sports bike. If you get a Grizzly make sure you get offset rims as it changes the handling and stability offroad heaps.

This Grizzly runs 38mm each side billet aircraft alloy wheel spacers which we had custom made but ideally rims would be better. I also bought mine because the price was right but if it wasn't for the business already having a Grizzly I would buy one over any other model on the market for my type of riding.

Russell (owner of the Grizzly) & I are both have 4WD background so the Grizzly is probably the closest thing in the ATV indusrty with the same features as a full size 4WD. Dino's CF Moto is pretty close to the Grizzly as they share some common components.
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ATVOffroad wrote:

If you get a Grizzly make sure you get offset rims as it changes the handling and stability offroad heaps. This Grizzly runs 38mm each side billet aircraft alloy wheel spacers which we had custom made but ideally rims would be better. I also bought mine because the price was right but if it wasn't for the business already having a Grizzly I would buy one over any other model on the market for my type of riding.

Thanks for the info, but forgive me I'm learning still, what do you mean by getting offset rim's?
Is it worth getting the wider front wheels? If so are they different rim's and tyres to the rear's or do you just need a second set of rear rims and tyres?

Thanks for the patience.

[ATVOffroad]

Cypher wrote:

ATVOffroad wrote: If you get a Grizzly make sure you get offset rims as it changes the handling and stability offroad heaps. This Grizzly runs 38mm each side billet aircraft alloy wheel spacers which we had custom made but ideally rims would be better. I also bought mine because the price was right but if it wasn't for the business already having a Grizzly I would buy one over any other model on the market for my type of riding. Thanks for the info, but forgive me I'm learning still, what do you mean by getting offset rim's? Is it worth getting the wider front wheels? If so are they different rim's and tyres to the rear's or do you just need a second set of rear rims and tyres? Thanks for the patience.

Offset rims mean simply the wheel sticks outwards creating a wider stance, meaning more side slope stability. The Grizzly is narrow and a bit tippy, adding wheel spacers or offset rims fixes the issue making it a lot safer. Both front and rear rims are offset to match each other. You should be able to fit the standard tyres on the aftermarket rims and you can either fit them yourself or get a tyre place to do it....

No worries, any questions you have someone on here will be able to answer them, that's the advantage of being part of this community!
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If you put another set of rear rim's on the front for width and grip (if possible) do you need to remove any spacers then? Or would you need an aftermarket set of wider rim's for the front

[ATVOffroad]

Cypher wrote:

If you put another set of rear rim's on the front for width and grip (if possible) do you need to remove any spacers then? Or would you need an aftermarket set of wider rim's for the front

Ok, standard the Grizzly comes with (I think) 6.5" wide front rims & 7.5" wide rear rims (12" diameter) - standard front tyres are 25" diameter x8" wide x 12" riim size, standard rear tyres are 25" diameter x10" wide x 12" riim size. So some aftermarket wheel companies just sell 7" wide rims which you can use front and back, but the front and rear tyres will mount to them without a problem rim wise.

Tyres come in different widths for front & rears (rears usually being wider than the front. Fronts are usually narrower for better steering assistance and less of a contact area for quicker steering. If you put wider tyres on the front, you might affect the steering ability or they might hit steering components or body parts?

For example my aftermarket rims are 6" wide on the front and 8" wide on the rear, the tyres are 9" wide on the front and 11" wide on the rear and they work great and steering isn't a problem even without power steering.

Hope that helps you understand the rims and tyres setup.
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[Cypher]

Thanks for that info, great forum this

[Cypher]

Well screw it...I've jumped in and got a TGB Blade 550 with 3000lb winch

Pick it up next week so I'll let you know how it goes

[Dino]

Cypher wrote:

Well screw it...I've jumped in and got a TGB Blade 550 with 3000lb winch Pick it up next week so I'll let you know how it goes

We spent the weekend riding with one. Good bit of gear. You should be happy.
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[Cypher]

Dino wrote:

Cypher wrote: Well screw it...I've jumped in and got a TGB Blade 550 with 3000lb winch Pick it up next week so I'll let you know how it goes We spent the weekend riding with one. Good bit of gear. You should be happy.

Realy, thats nice to hear, any stand out points or issues?

Was it a test, trial run or just a friends?

[Dino]

It's a mates Cypher. First run for his new bike.
Excellent fit and finish, servicing looks straight forward and overall a very well thought out and featured bike.
We were all quite impressed.
We've got some vids and when I get a chance to edit them, I'll send you a link.
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[ATVOffroad]

Cypher wrote:

Well screw it...I've jumped in and got a TGB Blade 550 with 3000lb winch Pick it up next week so I'll let you know how it goes

Congratulations on your purchase Cypher, make sure you post up some photos..
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[Cypher]

If I can work out how to post shots I will get some up when I pick it up

I'm glad about quality, apparently investigated quality control at the factories and performed trials in Australia before actually bringing it here for sale (from what I was told mainly through property owners as they are their primary target).

Also seem to be selling far beyond their expected estimates, so should be here for the long term.