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[Mrs_Gaitar]

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Last edited by Mrs_Gaitar on Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:06 pm; edited 1 time in total

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YES

There are other rules to prevent Juniors from riding quads that are too large for them.
And there is a new recommendation to add to that.

There is quite a lot of people right now attempting to draft better rules for Junior quad racing.
The fact is that simple age divisions struggle to capture the ideal requirements of kids that are either too big or too small for their age.

There are so many facets to this topic, cheque book racing, a current trend of making smaller quads more than twice as powerful, wider and heavier that what their original chassis were intended for.

A simple solution would be great, but...

I think your opinion is extremely valuable

PS sure this will be another nail in the coffin of the plight of NSW not allowing junior quad racing.

The NSW Junior racing issue is much larger than most probably appreciate.
Most of MA's other disciplines suffer this one too.
Remember how thebigdog said quad sport is small in Australia... he's right.
Most of MA's other disciplines are suffering more than us in relation to the NSW Junior racing situation, and it has very little to do with quads.

But we are going to hit it from our angle too, and see if we can't help make a difference.
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

WA have had riders 6ft tall, and one 6ft 4 racing 200-300cc
sure we wont have anyone taller than that.


For those of you who dont belong to a 2/4 wheel, junior / senior club, I'm guessing youve not done a club run or open with all the 2 & 4 wheel classes.

Imagine this - seeing 10 blasters/raptors on the track and then 1 or 2 detuned 450cc-750cc bikes racing against them with a 12 yr old on them....
the spectators and parents are all bewildered why theres 450-750cc sized bikes on the track, the kids in the crowd think, monkey see monkey do.... join the club and expect to race Dad's 450-750 cause he saw other kids do it.

Who will measure these bikes at every single event? no one i bet(can hear the call of cheat now!!)


Please Go buy a junior bike that fits the class, like everyone else and all 2 full generations of kids prior to you did.
WA has had at least 30 kids go through this class and learnt their craft of racing on a size bike they could handle.
If your preferred manufacturer doesnt make a suitable bike for a junior class, then change manufacturers, we had to go Yamaha from 12 - U16yrs,
Honda dealer still maintained / serviced and sponsored our kids.
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

Juniors-
CC size increased in modified class to 125cc
all well and good to cover the new raptor 125, but this is essentially a rec bike so why not include in the rec class too?

Why not fix the overlap in age so when a child is 9 they know which class to enter- 7- u10 or 9 to U 13, 16 pages of changes why not fix this now?
I dont believe rec is the right word as it means to most, non competitive, not scored, not racing.
After much thought with others on this, how about "Youth limited"
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

Anyone else think MUMbo's isnt fair on the chickies who arnt mum's?


C'mon add to the conversation people


45+ class 3 laps??? sheesh imagine travelling 3500kms for that?
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[Huskygoat]

I have promised to say nothing ..... BUT the very intelligent person who thinks detuning 450 to fix the junior racing, is a very intelligent person... I scrutineer ed today, just think of the bullshit that I have to do with that one.... Please tell me its a sick joke. lol

Just got a pm from bullet .... ok I'll change Moron to Very intelligent person
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[thebigdog]

QUOTE FROM BULLET: The NQAC will continue to monitor this thread but will not be responding on here any further.

Why don't you keep to your word on this matter and also it is unprofessional to email people regarding their comments on this forum as you are the SA rep and chairperson. This would relate to your proposed Item QC006
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[cammoquad]

Mrs Gatior i applaude you for saying what most of us junior parents are thinking and also sending into MA


I agree on a rec class that is NON COMPETITIVE
MY 2cents again
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thebigdog wrote:

QUOTE FROM BULLET: The NQAC will continue to monitor this thread but will not be responding on here any further. Why don't you keep to your word on this matter and also it is unprofessional to email people regarding their comments on this forum as you are the SA rep and chairperson. This would relate to your proposed Item QC006

Man, mis-quoted again.
And completely wrong again too.
Why are you trying so hard to discredit me and/or the NQAC when we are supposed to be focussing on the rules.

Read rule QC006 again thebigdog.
What does the last line say?

The NQAC has made no further response.

And in my role, it's not unprofessional to try to help people.

I have been responding to the sensible questions, giving the best answers i can and encouraging people to make 'positive' suggestion.
I have also been telling those people to please work either directly through MA or through their State Delegate (preferably both).
I am also keeping their state delegate informed of these conversations too.

You are proving that it is a dangerous 'dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't ' game to use this forum.
Knowing that, I have persisted until now only to encourage positive input, and because i know this forum reaches a broad representation of members.
Probably against 'best advice' I have personally decided to put up with the useless crap, because i can see there is a lot of good in here too.

I wanted to ramp it up as the closing date gets nearer to make sure that all members have the best chance to have there say and are well represented.

it seems a small handfull out of the 1500 people who have read this post are purely aiming to discredit who ever throws something up.
Think about what the aim of your last post was thebigdog.
Don't start forum fights just so you can win one.
If you have that energy, use it to make yet another positive contribution to our sport.

Now there is only 4 days to go, and i'v probably done enough positive encouragement anyway.
So due to thebigdogs last post (and other like it) i personally see no further point in posting to this topic.

Thanks for the sensible questions, to the rest of you all.
Thanks to all the people who have phoned, e-mailed or PM'd with good intentions and suggestions.

Please get your concerns across to MA by writing in with some better recommendations.
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[Clarkie]

Anyone that races Speedway or Flat track please PM me with your email address as I want to send out an email for a Class proposal to MA, I am wanting some feedback on it, Thanks Clarkie
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[pyjamas]

mrs Gaitar
I am a mum that rides jumbos/mumbos and this season there has only been 2 mums + 1 jumbo riding so I would welcome any girl/lady who isn't a Jnr to come and give it a go.[/b]

[Mrs_Gaitar]

Pyjamas...
just the name of the class MUMbo's doesnt sit well

it isnt just for mum's its for all 16 yr old+ females
hence why I through it out there...
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[pyjamas]

mrs gaitar
I'm actually agreeing with you which is why I said I would welcome any girl/lady (above 16) to give it a go.
What name would you give it eg keep it as JUMBOs?
I'm only new to racing so still trying to get my head around it all

[priesty]

I'd just like to add on a positive note, for those of us who don't race at all,
that it was satisfying to read that MA consider a nationally recognised recreational registration scheme as importatnt & worth pursuing. Hope we are kept informed regarding any discussions related to this matter & hopefully called upon to contribute in whatever way we can, as there are many on here who think likewise.
Just my 2c, can't really comment on the rest of the rules as I don't even know what the old ones were...
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[cuzo]

Ist funny watching this you are all so passionate about it .... and you have a voice .... jumbos/mumbos joinors/6 foot kiddies combine your thoughts how ever much you disagree bi..atching on a public forum of who is wright and wrong is crazy not to many from NSW in this fight cause we are just fitting to get track time ...... You guys are so lucky appreciate it and always remeber were you started off at 10 years ago and you did it cuase you enjoyed it....not becauce young jhony or your self didnt get a podium cuase his bike cc's were out matched.

My 2o cents cuase im woth it .....
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[old55]

cuzo wrote:

Ist funny watching this you are all so passionate about it .... and you have a voice .... jumbos/mumbos joinors/6 foot kiddies combine your thoughts how ever much you disagree bi..atching on a public forum of who is wright and wrong is crazy not to many from NSW in this fight cause we are just fitting to get track time ...... You guys are so lucky appreciate it and always remeber were you started off at 10 years ago and you did it cuase you enjoyed it....not becauce young jhony or your self didnt get a podium cuase his bike cc's were out matched. My 2o cents cuase im woth it .....

Thank you, thats right we enjoyed it and hopefully more enjoyment to come.

In a room with 5 people and one egg on a table, out of that room of 5, 1 person says that egg is white, 2 people say that egg is cream, 1 person says it both white with a cream tinge throug it, and one person says its got brown shell on it and a grey colouring. Its the same with rules, not everyone will agree with how rules are seen or are read, we all see different interpretations in everything, thats our choice, so for all that have posted and read this section, you see and read things the way YOU see it, its not mis read, its not mis understood, its not wrong, its not right, its how you see it in your mind and relay it back.

And yes NSW's are trying to get at least a go in racing, but bear in mind, these rules will also effect you, when your chance comes to ride at an event, do you understand them, will you be able to clarify them should an official raise concerns, if its all too hard for the officials, what chance do you have as a rider to get another event in.

Cheers and lets hope the Quad MX sport does progess safely and fairly for all ages.

[Watson107]

heaps of people are awesome at complaining... if only you could get a full time job doing it... at the end of the day all the delegates dont have to put up their time doing it. regardless off who likes and dislike the rules(i have my own opinion on some) they are rules and decisions made by the comittee.... your gonna have to stick to them... how many times does an umpire at a footy or soccer game change their decision because of complaining...?? put your letters in and see what happens.. but dont slag the guys that are putting their time in... unless you want to nominate as a delegate??? not everyone is gonna think the same way... as a rider myself i think about some of the rules and think its a bit of a joke but whinging and abusing people is not going to get anywhere and your acting like a school kid. or unless forum tough guy appeals to you then go ahead and ignore this post haha

counting the seconds till i get slagged...

Nathan Watson #107
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G Day mates, if there are any out there.

Getting back to destroking bikes we have been doing this for years, it's not cheap, my sons first 90 was downsized from a 200 polaris, it costs a fortune (lol). I recommend using the bikes that are currently available in Austrailia, as this will control most chequebooks.

Seriously now, as far as the size of these juniors, 4 of our top riders are over 6ft.1, they seem to do just fine . Has anybody done a price excersise on this, destroking a two stroke would be affordable but a four stroke would be different, any down tuned bikes would still require the shocks, a arms, tyres rims and costings that are incurred by a junior bike that is available. Surley the weight factor of these larger machines would be a concern.

I agree with Mrs Gaiter on her views if here is any down sizing I will remove my son from Quad mx. People need to express there views now . Please bear in mind most familes coming into this sport are turned off by people like myself who have spent a lot of money for nothing. There are a number of race bikes for sale with all the mods all ready done for roughly $5000-8000, why would u want to build one.
The cost of a 450-700 would cost in a stock form without any modifications no less than $12000.00 .

Just an idea why don't we keep junior bikes stock this will increase the numbers garanteed. You only need to spend money when you make them faster. Remember we do have a senior production class. There are not enough riders to make all these changes.

Dave

[jumbo danny]

well 2 day is the last day to get your point across come on people get it in if you need help call or email me see what we can help with this has been on the cards for a while they NQAC have had 12 mths to draft it we have had 2 weeks to object tel 0417 820 980 cheers danny

[jimmy14]

i would like to post a question to u bullet,for what reason do u want to change the width from 1400mm to 1270mm.u know that at speedway we get the bikes as wide as possible to side around the corners.tell me what other quad event hits the corners at 85-90km/h with a wall 10 metres away.we do this for saftey reasons,speedway ran really great last year and with this rule chance it will make it more dangerous than it all ready is.if cost is the factor.it doesnt cost much to get a set of wheelspacers which most people use.
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[JRE]

The only issue i see with that method of widening your quad is that the factories engineer the steering on their bikes to operate within a safe range of leverage if you push your wheels further out board of the pivot point the stress on tierod ends balljoints etc is greatly increased causing a greater risk of failure. if doing this allows you to corner faster then we can assume if it fails the accident is going to be alot worse and I guess MA want to limit their liability insurance wise so thats why the suggested rule change I would assume. Also if there is a 50 inch width limit that leaves more room across the track to manuever.

[jimmy14]

i would say to u jre thats there is plenty of room to manuever ur bike around the track with bikes that wide.i know this for a fact.secondly i have been racing with wheelspacers for over 2 years and have never rolled the bike and havent got any problems with ball joints or tierods and lastly if u want to comment on what right and wrong for speedway why dont u have a go,im sick and tried of people who think they know whats best for the sport and they dont even race speedway
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[JRE]

First of all mate you need to pull your head in the stress issues are a fact physics proves that.
Secondly why are you attacking bullet he has already explained that he is part of a panel who discussed a number of issues and this is the outcome that they all came to.
lastly just because it is the way you do things doesnt mean it is the right way!! MA has asked for this panel to give input to them regarding our rules. If you dont like it thats fine but getting on here pissed off and venting wont change a thing. You guys at speedway seem to like being your own entity so why not startup your own licencing body and then you can have what ever rules you like

[jumbo danny]

stud extensions on front wheels a good choice ?? before you start Ive been there done & seen that and still cannot believe you get away with it but your choice isn't that bullets old bike that you ride wasn't it unbeatable have fun guys its up to MA to sort it out now hope every body got there point across still wondering whether the drag bikes are going to come out and play with there nerve bars hanging off of them ?

[Roycroft]

i think the 1270mm wide rule is spot on for all ATV racing, you have to have limits on width for safety. wider is not always better and most aftermarket suspension/a-arm manafactures produce there parts up to 50 inch total width. and most ATV manfactures produce close to a 50 inch ATV as standard. why becuase this is a perfect all round width for safe racing.

has anyone ever ridden or raced a 1400 wide Banshee? i have what a dog to ride, it didn't turn and i need my binoculars to find where my wheels were.
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