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[SSYFZ450]

I believe the time has come for all Victorian Trail Riders to group together and present a united front, and be taken seriously as a movement.

Like many other social groups that use bush-land areas and forest roads, we should put ourselves forward and present a serious and organised group of people prepared to do the right thing. But most importantly, take action. Then – we may have more of a chance achieving any future objectives for the benefit of quad trail riding state wide

The QRCV has done a fantastic job of organising and promoting the racing of Quad riding.

Now it’s up to “you� the trail rider to help us do the same for social riding. We need your involvement and participation to achieve any kind of result.
A few of us cannot represent all of you.

Just think how other organisations keep having access to forest areas and the positive tread lightly image they promote – for example 4x4 Clubs and two wheelers holding events in State Forests.
And what happens in other States with Quads!


This might still be a way off for Quads in Vic – but why wait – lets start now! And stop taking "no" - "maybe" - "Waiting on..." for an answer

I propose a meeting to be organised for early in the New Year to get together and have a group discussion

This meeting could involve –

Organising and making everyone aware of future trail rides

Planning a new attack on getting Rec Rego

Discussing strategies for finding new legal areas for riding

But most important – let’s get together and hear everyone’s opinion

If you agree and wish to participate, please contact myself

If a good response is received, I will propose a suitable date for a QRCV sanctioned meeting at the Motor Cycling Vic office in Clifton Hill.

A few of you might know who I am - but for those who don't - I have just been elected to the General Commitee of the QRCV. My aim and purpose of joining the commitee is to promote and organise social/trail riding events and trying again next year to get Rec Rego.

Some people will know that most other members of the QRCV are involved in racing only. And fair enough as this is a hard enough task to organise and keeps them very busy.
But this is not my agenda. "Trail riding is"....

Any comments and questions are welcome....
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[Gravedigger]

Count me in .
Cheers Deano.

[SSYFZ450]

Thanks once again Deano
We will advise a date for the propossed meet early in the new year
Looking forward to your input and meeting up.
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[ozquad44]

Good Luck Boys.....

Positive Media attention may be helpful to your cause. Stay away from Today Tonight though, you'll all be branded nature hating hoons in five minutes flat.

ENGAGE YOU LOCAL PARLIMENTARY MEMBER. Pollies would love to talk about ATVs at the moment. Anything beats talking about the R word

FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS FELLAS.
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State governments give us REC rego + area to ride ATVs legaly! State Status: VIC-No (Nazi's) QLD-Yes(no place to ride tho) NT-? NSW-Yes, Stockton. TAS-Yes, Areas for ATVs + ATV rego, Go Tazzie . WA-Yes, 2 top places within 1hr of Perth. ACT-? SA-No

[priesty]

ozquad44 wrote:

Good Luck Boys..... ENGAGE YOU LOCAL PARLIMENTARY MEMBER. Pollies would love to talk about ATVs at the moment. Anything beats talking about the R word

Actually I just found out that my local member (Tarneit) is also the Victorian minister for transport. Does that mean that he would oversee Vicroads operations ?
His office is in a short, dead end street that leads to the rail station, I reckon 50-60 quads parked in there for a protest rally would cause chaos.
That would be newsworthy.
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[SSYFZ450]

This is great news, this is the person we will need to speak to first
After our meeting and we have a plan in place- he will be the first one to hear from us.
Please PM his name and contact details


Great stuff .....
Thanks Priesty
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[yogie]

SSYFZ450 wrote:

This is great news, this is the person we will need to speak to first After our meeting and we have a plan in place- he will be the first one to hear from us. Please PM his name and contact details Great stuff ..... Thanks Priesty

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/DOI/Internet/Home.nsf/AllDocs/AFE6CB9EB1E1FE51CA257242000915B2?OpenDocument
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[Linc]

G'Day........I forgot your name.

I met you at the QRCV AGM a month ago when you announced your rec riding plan and rego proposal. I was the Marketing guy for the last few years but can no longer give that possition the time it deserves. I'm sure Scott can keep us moving forward with that.

Anyway I congratulate you on your drive to get this rego issue moving forward. At the meeting we spoke shortly about the "tractor rego" issue and how moving forward can not happen untill we know where we legally stand right now.

I have made a few enquiries with a legal mate of mine and they say that if "tractor rego" covers quads then thats it; nothing we can do, the issue is does "tractor rego" allow us to ride quads where we want to ride them?. Does "tractor rego" really cover quads or is it all a bit fuzzy.

They have recommended that I (we) contact the RACC and the RACV to ask for their legal eagles to give us a legal stand point. This may have a cost, it may be free but we won't know until we ask.

IMO the issue is "what type of vehicle is a quad" if it falls under the definition of "tractor" then so be it. If it doesn't, then what is it?.

It used to be that trikes (the road ones) were defined as a car; you got car rego, used a car licience and didn't have to ware a helmet. They changes a trike's definition to be a bike......bike rego, bike licience, have to ware a helmet. Clearly a "trike" is not a car or a bike but if I had a trike I would not care what the government said it was, I only care that I can register and use it.

When we know for sure what the issue is then we know what to ask for.

Linc

SSYFZ450 wrote:

This is great news, this is the person we will need to speak to first After our meeting and we have a plan in place- he will be the first one to hear from us. Please PM his name and contact details Great stuff ..... Thanks Priesty

[SSYFZ450]

Hi Linc
Yes mate I remember talking to you- then forgot your user name - sorry and thanks for getting into this issue

IMO - The tractor Reg can be a fuzzy issue if you want it to be and Yogie could explain this better than me. But If you read the VicRoads site, I think it makes it clear what the intended use for the rego is.
And the intended application
Not suitable for everyone...
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[yogie]

SSYFZ450 wrote:

Hi Linc Yes mate I remember talking to you- then forgot your user name - sorry and thanks for getting into this issue IMO - The tractor Reg can be a fuzzy issue if you want it to be and Yogie could explain this better than me. But If you read the VicRoads site, I think it makes it clear what the intended use for the rego is. And the intended application Not suitable for everyone...

PM sent to Linc
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elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[hondamad]

Hi all, In July 2008 I asked my local MP for the Mallee Mr Peter Crisp to find out what the problem and hold up with Vic roads introducing some form of reg., for quads. On the 14th Oct 2008 we received an answer from a Mr Gary Liddle, Chief Executive Officer Vic Roads, hes answer was this. InMay 1999 a revised rec., reg., scheme for two wheeled bikes to be used on local and forest roads outside of built up areas, ATV were excluded from the rec., reg., scheme due to concerns with there handling and stability at speed. In addition, ATVs are not compliant with the ADRs and are not consdered suitable for general road use. Also I am advised that the DSE does not support the use of ATVs on forest roads and trails under its control. Vic Roads does reg., ATVs for use of primary producers, goverment departments, [DSE] local councils and there contractors. Yours sincerely GARY LIDDLE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER Vic Roads, 60 Denmark Street KEW VIC 3101 My reply, I note that rec reg., scheme you refer to was done in may 1999, almost ten years ago, since than considerable design changes and inprovements to ATVs particularly around steering, stabily and handling. Additionally rec., reg., two wheeled bikes do not require ADR and no need for a compliance plate aswell, you also state ATVs are not suitable for general road use, agreed but what is being sought is rec., reg., for local and forest roads as per two wheeled bikes. I also find it interesting that the DSE does not suport the use ATVs when in the Mallee area the DSE staff use ATVs extensively on forest and other roads under there control. Would the Vic roads consider having a reveiw of ATVs and there exclusion of rec., reg., involveing other interrested associations who could assist with i,e technical changes that have occurred in the last ten years. Finaly I feel that there should be some sort of licensing endorsement on your licence as per personal water craft on top of boat licence for instance. Yours sincerely HONDAMAD and Peter Crisp MLA for Mildura
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[yogie]

great bit of infomation. Everyone here needs to write to Mr Gary Liddel asking for a review, what we need is a very informative and sensible letter, basically asking the same thing. A concerted effort should get the them listning at least, i have been in contact with the trail bike officer at the DSE, I will get onto him and see if he can give what infoamtion he requires to alow aproval for quads in the bush, HE WILL state its not them but Vicroads, and if I get that in writing, so to speak then Vic roads cant use the excuse of we need DSE aproval.

If anyone wants help to put a letter together let know.



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With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[Big Jb TRX450]

hondamad & SSYFZ450 i am friends with a former forum user "woody1" who headed up the last attack 4 rec reg in Vic & i want 2 note this 2 u. from what iv been told the last review had stats on deaths related from ATV's on a safety aspect & this is something u must make them understands....the major stats info was based on deaths involving farmers & there AG quads & every1 knows they usually don't wear helmets or the kind of motocross/riding safety gear that we all use when riding so in my opinion this wont give a true estimate 4 the types of injuries that us "rec trail" riders would sustain. hope this helps...cheers JB
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[Linc]

I got the stats somewhere........says that of the 54 deaths connected to the use of ATV's since 2001, 50 of them were not waring a helmet. About 45 of them were farmers.

Additionally the current legal use and registration of ATV's does not require the user to ware a helmet even on the road. In inner Melbourne they use ATV's for garden and road maintenence and none ware a helmet. I asked one of them why and he said he doesn't have to.

Linc

[Big Jb TRX450]

Linc wrote:

I got the stats somewhere........says that of the 54 deaths connected to the use of ATV's since 2001, 50 of them were not waring a helmet. About 45 of them were farmers. Additionally the current legal use and registration of ATV's does not require the user to ware a helmet even on the road. In inner Melbourne they use ATV's for garden and road maintenence and none ware a helmet. I asked one of them why and he said he doesn't have to. Linc

thanks Linc , that was what i was getting at... i dont reckon that info shows the true nature of how a "rec rider" does it, as i said b4 we wear the right gear & take great care for our own safety & going by the stats they have they need 2 view it from the way we do. If some kind of legislation was put into place where it says u must wear this, this & that then quad riders might b looked at in a more favorable way ....arrr crap now im just rambling...lol
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[Linc]

rambleing.......me too.

......the report goes on to point out that the non use of helmets by those involved in accidents was only a contributing factor to their death; most users were not using the ATV in a safe manner. Riding 2-up, overloading, riding on unstable surfaces (the side of a hill) or excessive speed were cited as the main contributing factor in nearly every case.

I laugh when I hear stupid statements like "they are unstable".......I usually answer with "never have I heard of a quad falling over, can you say that about a bike".

Linc

[yogie]

there is NO LEGAL requirement in Vic to wear a helmet while on a quad on private property. But in regards to work safe and farmers there is now... I think.

Does anyone know the chap that runs permited quad tours through Wombat forest, on the Dalesford side, he could be a source of info regarding how he got permits, He was behind the Polaris sponsored trail ride that was artilcled in the quad mag last year some time ???

Shayne as an offical of the QRCV you ar gunna be busy.

And going back to my idea of a letter campaine I've been thinking this should come from the "govening body" for quads in Vic the QRCV ???? and its members ?? what do we think.
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With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[Big Jb TRX450]

A current Affair or today tonight......DO IT...."I DARE YA" !!
Will get the exposure we r all after!!
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[yogie]

If anyones stuck at home and bored tonight, read this thread on DBW, gets into the quad and rego debate, page 10, post #99 and page 12 post #119 has some feed back from the DSE and what their responsibilitys are.

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50158&page=9
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2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[priesty]

yogie wrote:

If anyones stuck at home and bored tonight, read this thread on DBW, gets into the quad and rego debate, page 10, post #99 and page 12 post #119 has some feed back from the DSE and what their responsibilitys are. http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50158&page=9

Interesting reading, I'm actually pleasantly surprised that we have some supporters over there.

cheers......
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[priesty]

Linc wrote:

I got the stats somewhere........says that of the 54 deaths connected to the use of ATV's since 2001, 50 of them were not waring a helmet. About 45 of them were farmers. Linc

So of the 54 deaths 45 were people who could actually have obtained registration anyway ( of the primary producer type).

That's either Ironic or Moronic or possibly both.
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[yogie]

priesty wrote:

Linc wrote: I got the stats somewhere........says that of the 54 deaths connected to the use of ATV's since 2001, 50 of them were not waring a helmet. About 45 of them were farmers. Linc So of the 54 deaths 45 were people who could actually have obtained registration anyway ( of the primary producer type). That's either Ironic or Moronic or possibly both. l

I have have the original power point presentations sent to Vic roads and what I spoke to the DSE about back in 2004, but looking over it the total deaths the coroner was investigating was: (all on farm propertys)

52 deaths in total:

43 of them had no helmets on
11 were speeding
5 were over loaded
8 were carring pillions

And in case a woman was slowly crushed to death by her quad as the brakes had not worked for months, but when she hopped off her quad to do something it moved forward and had her pinned between it and a shed or gate ? and she was trapped there, I seem to recall her grandson was also on it and wittnessed the accicent

And another case was a farmer out checking his stock was knocked off his quad and trampled to death by his bull. ( if it was'nt so serious, it could almot be funny... )
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2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[Big Jb TRX450]

yogie wrote:

I have have the original power point presentations sent to Vic roads and what I spoke to the DSE about back in 2004, but looking over it the total deaths the coroner was investigating was: (all on farm propertys) 52 deaths in total: 43 of them had no helmets on 11 were speeding 5 were over loaded 8 were carring pillions And in case a woman was slowly crushed to death by her quad as the brakes had not worked for months, but when she hopped off her quad to do something it moved forward and had her pinned between it and a shed or gate ? and she was trapped there, I seem to recall her grandson was also on it and wittnessed the accicent And another case was a farmer out checking his stock was knocked off his quad and trampled to death by his bull. ( if it was'nt so serious, it could almot be funny... )

this was what i was getting at. the numbers are there, all tragic & id guess that most of them could of been avoided but not many of those deaths could be compared with the sort/style/type of riding we do, except maybe the speed factor. Id also like to add that myself being once raised on a farm, i know some farmers dont maintain there quads (my uncles father is 1 of them) like a good portion of us do so by not taking care of there bikes poses more of a risk. I just dont think those numbers paints a good picture 4 us trail riders
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[hondamad]

Yogie, After reading all the thread on DBW yes you are write and Mr Roger Pitt states its Vic Roads not the DSE. So now its Vic Roads and Mr Gary Liddle we should focus on, with the approach of give and take. You give us rec reg and we will give or take some education or licence accreditation as per any other type of motor sport, plus all the vehical standards that rec reg bikes must have. Hondamad.
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[SSYFZ450]

Yes I agree
So when we can all get together to meet and discuss these issues in person, And create a new submission to Vic roads....
All this type of info is very helpful and will greatly assist us in this submission

Meeting date to be anounced in the new year
And thanks to everyone for the renewed interest in this subject
I look forward to everyones input

Shayne
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