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[4stroker]

ok i have the front wheels flipped on my banshee.

what does this do to the steering and handling of my quad? i have never ridden a banshee with the rims on the right way!

i know that when looking at the front of the bike, the angle made by the top and bottom ball joints should point straight to the centre of the tyre where it contacts the ground. now with your rims flipped it doesnt do this anymore, the tyre is moved outside of that line.

will the steering feel better and have more traction if the rims were on the right way around?

thanks, mark
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[OZ_450]

when i had my banshee i done same thing i ran no steering dampner

found ya feel bump steer alot more and slightly heavier to steer but if ya can ride with it and are happy with it go for it as i did with mine
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[ashnery]

I find in the trails I leave it standard width (fit between trees easier)
But for open plains and duning wider is better,more stable,But you can go to far I think 52 " is where you want to be for mx.
Look at the latest 450 from suzuki dam thing is wide.Around +3.

To compensate for your rims fliped do a wheel alighment ,
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[bullet]

You are right about... the point where the king pin inclination angle hits the ground should ideally be the centre of the tyre contact patch.

When it does you get less bump steer, less rider kick back, better steering stability under breaks on rough ground, better tyre wear, ball joint live about 5 times longer, less mechanical stress on suspension, lighter and quicker steering response.

The only positive when flipping the rims out is a stability improvement in clean corners.

For woods riding... leaving the rims the right way round also protects the ball joints and caliper etc from impact damage.
If you do grad something solid with the inside wheel the chances of breaking front end componentry would be at least half that of a turned out wheel.

Thing is, if you're a bit lazy in getting your arce off the seat for corners, then flipping the rims is a cheap 'n' nasty way to gain cornering stability.
+2 A-arms are the way to go.
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[TasRaptor700]

Some really good advice and tips there....

I don't seem to have a problem leaving mine the right way around..
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[peg_leg686]

ashnery wrote:

I find in the trails I leave it standard width (fit between trees easier) But for open plains and duning wider is better,more stable,But you can go to far I think 52 " is where you want to be for mx. Look at the latest 450 from suzuki dam thing is wide.Around +3. To compensate for your rims fliped do a wheel alighment ,

What is the easiest way to do a wheel alignment on a quad. I have a 01 raptor and the front wheels have always been turned round. I find it is very floatey when you get a bit of speed up on it. would this be an alignment problem.

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peg_leg686 wrote:

ashnery wrote: I find in the trails I leave it standard width (fit between trees easier) But for open plains and duning wider is better,more stable,But you can go to far I think 52 " is where you want to be for mx. Look at the latest 450 from suzuki dam thing is wide.Around +3. To compensate for your rims fliped do a wheel alighment , What is the easiest way to do a wheel alignment on a quad. I have a 01 raptor and the front wheels have always been turned round. I find it is very floatey when you get a bit of speed up on it. would this be an alignment problem.

Most quads get pretty light and "floatey" at high speed.
Zero Toe-in and extra castor will help firm it up a bit.
But the Increased castor will make the steering a bit heavier.
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[PeteW]

most stock geometry front ends will float as they only have around 2 degrees castor and generally for high speed stuff you need around 5 or 6 degrees.

with the wheels flipped around it will amplify any effect of poor steering alignment including the change of toe in amount when the suspension is fully compressed and fully extended.

also the further out the centre line of the wheel is from the pivot of the steering knuckle the more scrub you get, as in for the wheel to steer it has to go around in a greater arc rather than over the pivot which leads to what bullet described, and also this can lead to a tendancy affect the steering angle of the inside wheel when cornering.
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[peg_leg686]

cheers guys i will have to have a look at the pivot as the quad was like it when i bought it three or four years ago it may not be setup properly. I have a slight bend in one of the a-arms too but the bike was like this b4 that so i am thinking of investing in some +2 inch a-arms and getting them fitted and setup properly by someone that knows what they are doing.

[4stroker]

i was looking at my mates yfz450 the other day and noticed that they run alot less castor than a banshee

is this the case or am i missing something?

i dont think its adjustable on either bike

if you look at my avatar pic it looks like the outside wheel would benefit from some more camber, what do you think PeteW?
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