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Have any of you guys read about a company called Quad Bar Industries in Clifton QLD.
Their manufacturing roll bars for quads.
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Dino
The Day Starts With OZATV !
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
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Location: Brisbane QLD
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Yeah.
The QLD guy is not a nice person, IMO.
The truth and him are occasional separated.
His device is a one size fits all approach, with quite stipulated fitting instructions.
It is open to misuse, and may create as many problems in practical use as theoretical create in a "roll-over" scenario.
It's not cheap at about $800 + fitting.
You could get probably 3 riders properly trained for that sort of money.
As far as the product is concerned, both extensive and selected testing have proved nothing, except that who pays for an agenda gets the results expected. This testing is an ongoing saga, which does not really allow for the dynamic riding and it's effects by a real person. And the testing has been very limited in the number of quads tested. Simply put, some quads will tip over easier than others. No mention has been made of tyre types, pressures or suspension set up.
My own personal opinion is that this product is not suitable for either the type of riding I do or for some politician to tell me it is.
I'd suggest you do your own research and make your own mind up for your bike and your needs.
And to just clarify a term:
A ROPS is a roll over protective system, which is both engineer designed and certified to fit a particular brand and model of equipment and to be used in conjunction with other equipment( like seatbelts ) and procedures to keep an operator safe. This is in a complete 180 degree plus scenario. They work fine on low speed equipment such as tractors, or very high speed racing equipment such as touring cars.
A FOPS is a fall over protective system, which also is normally engineer designed and certified to fit a particular make and model of equipment and to be used in conjunction with other equipment ( like seatbelts)and procedures to keep an operator safe. The intention of such a device is to arrest a rollover in a larger than 90 degree but less than 120 degree scenario.
They work OK on low speed equipment.
Another kind of FOPS exists but refers to Falling Object Protective System and has no relevance to quad bikes for rolling over.
Their is NO STANDARD for quad bikes for either FOPS or ROPS. PERIOD.
None for side by sides for that matter, unless it is a CAMS event.
The term now being used is a ACD or Anti Crush Device.
Those zealots pushing for compulsory fitment of ACD's to quad bikes refuse to comprehend both the dynamic effects of a living rider and individual characteristics of certain designs in the "independent" testing at the Macquarie University in Sydney.
They have this mantra that quad bikes are inherently unstable...
This is mine:
"Quad bikes and riding them is NOT INHERENTLY DANGEROUS! It is, however, extremely miss-forgiving of negligence, ignorance and stupidity....."
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muzzgit
Big Bore, Stroked & Bling +
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Further more Dino, Motor Bikes are far more "inherently Unstable" than quad bikes.
Get off a quad and let go and it sits there. Get off a motor bike and let go and it falls over!
In my own personal life of riding bikes and quads I can guarantee I have crashed far more times on two wheels than I have on 4. I have had many instances where I have been momentarily out of control on a quad but I have been able to correct the situation where I would not have been able to on a bike.
As for ROPS or anything like it, only when these things are tested by people without an agenda will we see the true results.
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yogie
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Location: The Otways
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It is safer to ride a quad drunk with no helmet and dinkiing
5 people than have one of those killers on your atv. Dont be conned by their
Lies.
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yogie
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Just checked their web site. What a bunch of floggs. All the testimonials, are so fake like their product.
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2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers |
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yogie
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| Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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$627 for bit of ally tube and steel. Down load the specs and copy it for less than a third
If you need one. 
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2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers |
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priesty
Roostin Away
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| Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Good old Dave Robinson, Ambulance chaser from Quadbars Australia, prepared to overlook all the facts (or manufacture his own) in order to sell more bars. Scumbag of the highest order.
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ATV LIFEGUARDS
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Joined: 12 Dec 2013
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Guys would be interested to hear your comments on the world first
flexible, passive and yielding Crush Protection Device.
Would love to hear you comments on the ATV Lifeguard.
check the web site
www.atvlifeguards.com
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yogie
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ATV LIFEGUARDS wrote: | Guys would be interested to hear your comments on the world first
flexible, passive and yielding Crush Protection Device.
Would love to hear you comments on the ATV Lifeguard.
check the web site
www.atvlifeguards.com
thanks
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the question that needs to asked of US is, why do we use approved helmets and all safety gear ?
Why are our quads maintained and even have BRAKES too...
Why don't we over load our quads with farming tools and the bloody dog.
why don't we ride across hills and uneven ground with our quads loaded up in the FIRST place.
the answers to these questions are quite simple, because we arnt bloody stupid morons.
and if farmers started doing the right thing by their familys and their selves and wernt so bloody selfish by killing themselves or letting kids ride adult quads, but I wont go there, because I'd be banned here most likely, so I put it to you go and ride with quad riders that know the difference between common sense and sheer bloody stupidity and then advocate that, and then the need for these "lifesavers" could just not be needed. but lets be honest, then you'd be out of making a buck, from morons that cant save themselves.
any feed back would be appreciated. And please don't confuse my apparent lack of faith in these products be confused as a personal attack against your good self, but if you feel I have personally attacked you, I urge you contact the admin at once.
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2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers |
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wa5
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| Read some of the "testimonials" on the site... "I accidently put the quad in reverse and tipped down a river bank"... I cant think of any quad where it is possible to "accidently" engage reverse gear.... all of the others seem to have the same problem as Homer Simpson driving the three wheeled tractor.. IE the quad would fall over as soon as somebody looked at it.. cant think of a quad I've owned that was like that... |
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triple"A"
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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when rops frames were introduced for tractors it was determined that a seat belt also be fitted to prevent the operator from leaving the seat in a rollover and being crushed between the rops and the ground. if no rops frame was fitted it was determined that it would be far safer for the operator to not be trapped by a seat belt to be crushed by the machine itself, but be free to jump as clear as possible from the incident to hopefully avoid being crushed. the same logic should apply here. if a rollbar is fitted it will be more dangerous than without one. a seat belt on a quad would make correct riding technique difficult at best, and therefore would be dangerous.
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priesty
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Can't even convince farmers to wear a helmet, what chance a seatbelt.
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triple"A"
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| priesty wrote: | | Can't even convince farmers to wear a helmet, what chance a seatbelt. |
none, coz there are still fatalities involving tractors and farmers |
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