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[donk]

hi everyone has anybody been successful in obtaining public liabilitity insurance to cover them while not riding at a club or organised event ie on privite land are looking at getting rego to try and make it easier potentionly have acess to 450 acres of sandy soil ideal to train for thumbpump but owner wany a policy cheers donk

[yogie]

just sign a disclaimer including you and anyone in your family from holding him liabale in case of an offie on his land.
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[Oldrodder]

You may find your recreational rego scheme in QLD may cover this, worth looking at anyway.
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Conditional-registration/Recreational-vehicles.aspx

[Dino]

Oldrodder wrote:

You may find your recreational rego ??scheme in QLD may cover this, worth looking at anyway. http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Conditional-registration/Recreational-vehicles.aspx

You may find that it is not recreational rego at all, it's conditional for working equipment, is now difficult to get, with more strings attatched than you could ever imagine, not worth the effort or the money, that the CTP is zone and permit conditions linked. Cond rego DOES NOT WORK in Qld for recreational use. Which is why we are pushing for a functional form of registration for recreation like trail riding/touring.

For PLI, on a private property for competition training try a insurance broker. It's their job to find it for you. Or you could try MAQ, though I think you'll find MAQ are like the above mentioned rego......
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[donk]

Thanks everyone for the prompt replies. I have had my business brokers working on this for about two weeks now and the sticking point is the unregistered part and being on private property, which is why we are looking at it from the conditional rego direction. The disclaimer is a good idea, however it won't help the owner if I hit a kid who has wondered onto his property while I am riding etc. I will keep you updated on how I go with this.

[donk]

yep just as i though can,t get public liabilitity if i was on a horse or surfboard no worries covered through house and contents policy also a bike up to 110cc is covered i dont under stand how it got to this point we really have become public enemy number one because of what, noise complaints, really can there be that manny.trail riding etc is a huge industry with not enough place set aside to ride , i guess it will all come to a head somehow hopefully in a positive way cheers

[Dino]

Donk, I've been pushing the RECREATIONAL Registration barrow for a few years in Qld now. It's taken a long time getting through the layers of beaurocracy to the Senior policy advisors and Ministers.

Myself and a Todd Pike, who has been pushing the same barrow for two wheelers, had such a meeting yesterday. ( A lot of two wheelers sold are NON ADR compliant also, and used for trail riding as well as competitive sports.)

Without going into the entire contents of the meeting here, we put our points across, and did it very well. Every fob off, every red herring, every misleading bit of info they put up, and the out and out lies, we smashed, and countered with benefits, numbers, statistics, precedent and facts.

Negoiations are ongoing. And I will categorically state that this government has a agenda against quads and other "off-road" machines and activities. We've a election coming, and "they" are aware that the issues of access and registration will become a electoral issue.....

Qlders represent 20% of the Australian population, about 21% of mainland Aus. including Tasmania, and a lot of the other 80 odd percent, will be interested in the outcomes.

We demand a functional level of registration and access, not a valid one.
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[donk]

hi dino i have read some of your posts and admire the the way your taking this on, on behalf of bike owners everwhere. was talking to a guy the other day who told me of a group of guys who have just given up and gone and brought jet skis because you can get rego/ins and somewhere to ride ie river/ocean. this has got to be affecting sales ,what do the manufacturers think can you involve them/ get there support. it proberly won't happen but say kawasaki built a bike park but you had to have one of there bikes get entry, i know what i would do. no doubt there's a lot of smart people on this forum from sectors with the expierence you could use ie lawer and even some of the pollies must ride ? could be time to send out the call to see what or who comes back . i guess its a bit frustrating, not knowing how to help. this must be the biggest issue that atv riders have. maybe oz atv should give this issue its own forum so everbodys thoughts , ideas and offers to help could be in the one spot. sorry if this allready exists cheers donk

[Dino]

Thanks Donk,

Yes, there is a brains trust on this forum. Guys and girls from all over the country. Exchanging ideas, notes and stategy.
Help from other areas of the industry? Ok, simple answers.

Rego is handed by each state/territory, and NEW quad bikes, Side by sides and other non ADR vehicles are bought into the country by Australian Importers for the most part. These importers distribute either through state level or direct to dealers. Some container loads of stuff are bought in by individuals, who care little about anything other than making a sale. Some dealers could be included in that group.
The importers can see the merit of changes we want, see the big picture but can't help directly as they are mainly federal and or interstate. But we do have support from some areas there. As for state and dealer level resellers, more support would be appreciated, as would the same from accessory outlets. This could be provided by simply writing to their MP's and relevant Ministers supporting changes. Yes, this is being pursued.

MA is understaffed and underfunded. MAQ, specifically, has a very low profile as far as trail riding is concerned, and quads are way down the list.
While being marketed as the ear to the government, that is not quite the case. Funding comes from insurance and....the Government. Draw your own conclusions. We've been keeping them in the loop, anyway.

Ride parks and tourism opportunties such as tag-a-long adventure riding is a really struggling industry, especially in Qld. A lot of red tape is a significant reason for that. Distances and the economy don't help those businesses, either. A lot see huge opportunity for expansion with change while others are selfishly stuck on their own issues.

Clubs. Are few and far between. Some help a lot more than others. And many clubs members are happy to just ride and leave the running and organising to the handfuls of dedicated individuals. Yes. The clubs do talk to one another.

Other users include people working for the man, and farmers. The first group is insulated from reality while the second group has additional issues involved. Yes, there is stuff happening with farmers.

The bulk of the industry, not mentioned above are the individual riders, who just ride. They represent a few hundred thousand in Qld alone. Double that when you include the two-wheelers. You don't see or hear much of them because they are under the radar. Sort of "forest ghosts".
Given a choice, they'd rather be legal than otherwise. And this is about providing that choice.

We had a lot of knockers at the start. And we have a lot less now.

Part of the next step is to start getting all these informed through the media and direct communication. If only a quarter of these speak up, it will be a very loud voice.
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[donk]

dino could i have an idea of what exactly is happening at the moment ie are you the representitive, for this issue official or otherwise, of south qld?. i also know of tim i think from north qld qra who also has a passion for this issue. are there others?. have you guys met or are planning to meet.the qqra agm could be a good oppitunitity?. people dont know that the gov answer to this was to amend laws to make it easer to fine us ie linking to the anti hoon legislation .i know i was suprised by this.the general public also need to be educated that next time they are disturbed by a "noisy bike" that its not the riders fault they would rather be somewhere they are welcome. the complaint would then be "hurry up and provide places for these guys will you " instead of "get rid of this bloody bike" i can't help at the level you are at , my business takes up most of my time nor do i have the politicial knowledge. if you and your piers where to table and compress the information somewhat as to make it easer to pass on and explain by the average person i'm shure i could act at a local level. maybe a petition, which all interisted parties need to have input as to be united. exactly where is the point where the cond rego comes unstuck is it the permit which police wont give because they dont know you can ride. could someone like q/ride do a course similiar to licence testing to approve your skills could it be that simple ?

[Dino]

Donk. I am a member of the Far North Quad Riders. They really started to push and hard, Tim is the President. We are in regular contact.
The club is statewide. Because I have the time, and am Brisbane based, I represent the club on this matter down here. Which is good because that is where many in Govt are.

I've been to the QQRA last AGM,and am in regular contact with concerned members of that club. They are mainly social but competition based.

Likewise SEAT, based on the Gold Coast. SEAT actually formed to help with this push for better access for families and trail rides.

And many other concerned individuals throughout Qld and other parts of the country.

This thread will explain much of the facts and history behind this push.
http://www.ozatv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15508
Rather than rehash everything here, that thread will give you a insight as to what' going on, and we keep it updated.

This govt has a agenda, and is not pro quad, off road or fun....
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[Dino]

And it doesn't have to be this hard.
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[donk]

thanks dino no such thing as a stupid question i reckon. at least i know a bit more about how some of you are connected. i have read those threads. as there over a year old i thought i would ask some questions i will keep my eye on your posts for updates. if you feel there's something i can do in cq than let me know cheers donk