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[PJSRZR]

Round 3 of the Xtreme 4x4 Winch Challenge is being held just out of Tamworth on the 16th and 17th of October at Manilla and is well and truely open for SXS's to enter. This is a great fun weekend held in our own backyard with plenty of spectators and if we can get enough SXS interest, we will even plan to have a couple of dedicated stages just for us (so we don't show the big trucks up too much).

If you have ever thought about having a go at a winch Challenge 4x4 type comp, this is the one to start at as all our guys will be on hand to give advice and direction and to ensure you have a great weekend. We don't take it too seriously and if you are short a bit of gear, you will always find someone willing to lend you some or help out.

At this stage we are anticipating about 10 SXS's and about 15 4x4's with a great night out at the Royal Hotel sat night.

For more info check out www.xtreme4x4sport.com.au or pm on this site.

Phil

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Word is the tracks that are being laid out for the SXS's are going to have no winch sections and plenty of open style track.

Sounds like they're having a look at the other side of SXS's for the weekend and thats balls to the wall field racing.

If you dont want to do that in your SXS, you bought the wrong product!!!

And no excuses now for you Qlders, its closer to you than it is to me so get your gear down for a ride!!

Its an important time too that we need to formalise the transition of some small buggy clubs into SXS or new small buggy classes by setting some new classifications and to formalise an Australian Association.

Lets pull out all the stops and get everyone we can there. If we want a racing series we want a Marquee sponsor(s) for the series that occur around the place so we need to show some numbers on the track or else we wont get what we want!

Cheers guys look forwar to seeig you there and putting faces to the names!!
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[jackass/450]

Hey Phil,

Interested in coming down - and i know that you have covered this earlier but in dot point form can you please put up a list of things that need to be done as a minimum so that a vehicle is right to compete?

Also anything that will make a vehicle not ok to compete

Cheers
Chris

[PJSRZR]

Hi Guys,

This event, unlike the ones in VIC is not run strictly under the CCDA guidelines but we are eventually working towards it. At this point we are not being overly strict as several Polaris dealers are actually bringing up some of their customers/potential customers to maybe have a go and get a feel for the RZR. However like all competitions safety is paramount.

* All drivers must have a current car license.
* Minimum age for a Navi is 15. We will have experienced staff on hand to offer help and advice throughout the weekend for both.
* 4 Point harnesses, helmets and gloves are compulsory.
* Winch is optional, but we envisage offering more points to those who want to tackle the winch wall rather than take the bypass track.
* UHF radio, handheld or in-car is compulsory.
* The standard side Protective nets will suffice, please contact me if you have a Rhino or something else that does not have these available, however please be aware eventually side doors and full nets will be mandatory for all SXS racing, especially if you want to race 2,3,4 at a time.
* If you have a winch, you will require a tree protector, winch damper, snatch block, rope extension strap and at least 2 rated bow shackles.
* There is usually 2-3 stages on friday night which once again will be optional for competitors. If you do want to have a go, can I suggest some better/additional lighting
* Its a good idea to carry a small fire extinguisher, first aid kit, tyre puncture plug kit and a few spares in case you need to fix something during a stage, but please feel free to contact me again for advice.
* When it comes to mods on your SXS, other suggestions would be a solid roof, rock slider bars, rear view mirror, glovebox of sorts, etc. But you are welcome to check out our machines on the day to see how we have modified them so far.
* I do not envisage any water stages, but maybe some mud, there is very little rock on the property as well.

All in all once again this is a "trial" event, to get feedback from SXS owners as to how they want to have fun with their machines and for event organiser's to take on board suggestions for the future. This is real grass roots stuff, but we have to start somewhere, its well publicised and is a great social weekend.

Phil

Polaris are once again right behind this and rumour has it we may, just may get to see another "new" machine from another manufacturer who are also interested in getting involved with future comps.

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

Phil

For guys with the Std RZR, Rhino, Teryx and if its here by then Can Am, do you need 6 point roll cages?

Cheers

Gavin

BTW: Bringing out the turbo? I'd like to see the turbo going head to head with a std drag style to see the real advantage it gets.
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[PJSRZR]

Gavin,

For this event, the standard cage will suffice, we are not looking at high speed here, more technical driving and short bursts of speed etc.

However, be prepared for the fact that I can see no organisation, be it CAMS, CCDA etc, will allow SXS's to race with the "standard" 4 point cage in the future.

Your link to the FIA info regarding the RZR is timely and should serve as a bit of an insight as to what may be required in the future. While the standard cages (and I can only really speak in relation to the RZR) are probably adequate for most situations, when it comes to multiple racing and higher speeds such as you might achieve in long course events (Finke, condo) "probably" is not a word adequately used in relation to safety, and we have started a process of evalution using a company that designs roll over protetion for mine vehicles etc.

Look to the USA for more experience I think as we will more than likely follow their lead, but still the aim is to keep the costs down and the SXS's as close to "out of the box" as possible. Long term this will probably see the development of 2 classes of racing.

Interestingly this is how the "involved" manufacturer's want to see it develop as well.

Phil

[PJSRZR]

Sorry, missed your question at the bottom regarding the turbo. Yes we will be bringing it out, but I automatically disqualify myself from the points because it is not a permitted mod for the class we are trying to develop. We have played with the clutches and fueling quiet a bit and interestingly its hard to achieve a setting that achieves similiar take off acceleration to our std RZR without it topping out in the rev's too quickly. We think we have achieved a better comprimise now but in this sort of event where you are on and off the power, dodging trees and gullys, climbing hills etc, it really does not give you much of an advantage over the standard RZR's.

Keep in mind down in VIC, over one of the 10 minute rally type stages, Cody still kicked my butt in a std RZR's by almost a minute.

I really only did it as a "WOW" factor and something as a conversation piece for our showroom, but it does make a nice sound, and to me thats the most important thing .

Phil

[SXS Machine Racing Team]

PJSRZR wrote:

Gavin, For this event, the standard cage will suffice, we are not looking at high speed here, more technical driving and short bursts of speed etc. However, be prepared for the fact that I can see no organisation, be it CAMS, CCDA etc, will allow SXS's to race with the "standard" 4 point cage in the future. Your link to the FIA info regarding the RZR is timely and should serve as a bit of an insight as to what may be required in the future. While the standard cages (and I can only really speak in relation to the RZR) are probably adequate for most situations, when it comes to multiple racing and higher speeds such as you might achieve in long course events (Finke, condo) "probably" is not a word adequately used in relation to safety, and we have started a process of evalution using a company that designs roll over protetion for mine vehicles etc. Look to the USA for more experience I think as we will more than likely follow their lead, but still the aim is to keep the costs down and the SXS's as close to "out of the box" as possible. Long term this will probably see the development of 2 classes of racing. Interestingly this is how the "involved" manufacturer's want to see it develop as well. Phil

Couldn't agree with you more. The last thing we want is serious injury to anyone so if there is one particular requirement that we pick up out of any others it must be the roll cages and then the supporting elements that will add to the stability of the machine/s.

I am interested in who the WE is who has started an evaluation of what particularly in terms of roll cages.

FIA seem to have defined one in a roundabout way but it seems as you say we have a very strong precedent in the US market so what is it we are trying to evaluate and achieve by doing so as all roll cages must fit the criteria are you talking from a Polaris perspective?

Persoanlly I can see many more than 2 classes of racing with the different engine capacities, remembering that light buggy class includes 4x2 vehicles in the new light buggy class.

So it appears under FIA theres many opportunities anyway for people who already race 4x2 then we add the 4x4 SXS's there's 4-5 classes there. But in terms of racing next year if its agregate point score over each classification or whatever organisations other than me will work out.

For one rule you may have forgotten each vehicle must start and finish with 2 people in the unit! lol

And why even run points on the weekend, I want it to be controlled but fluid enough for people to make the comparisons vital to makeing classifications.

Personally I want to keep turbo's. Why? Coz people (like me) are going to want to do it and we may as well ask and get permission for that now than go chasing it later.
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