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[darkchild666]

hi guys

I'm looking @ buying a ltr 450,so i went 2 my local suzuki to wheel and deal.Asked him the price and they said 12,500 out the door,but i'll have to wait till the end of the month because there so scarece(cant spell).

I said he'd heve to do better then that i heard of people getting them heaps cheaper then that.
So of he went to "TALK" to he's superviser,came back with a price of 11,800.
I then told him how i just come from yamaha and they were gonna sell me a yfz450 for 11,700 out the door.(Talked em down from 13,000)

he said he'd match that if is was interested.
so i said is that with the cherry bomb and can i have 1 in white.

he said thats just stock and goes off 2 grab a "new" catalogue which is older then the 1 i got.Which doesn't show them coming out white.I said i'd
think about it ,he then made up some crap that he spoke to hes supervisior when getting the catalogue and said the best they could do is 11,600 o.t.d

so i'm curious @ what price some of you guys have got your ltr45o's for,
should i take the offer or should i try 2 haggle him some more?
Should i ring some other suzuki shops 2 c if theres a price change?.

thanks lez

[cowchaser]

Shop around but don't even think of buying anything else these thing will eat any other sports quad alive. Oh and they are only bringing out the yellow one over here at the moment

[darkchild666]

cowchaser

yeah i'm gonna shop around i reckon they could do heaps bettere then that.
If i get 1 for around 11 with a cherry bomb i'll snap it up.
But if i can't get 1 @ a good price i'm concidering a snd hand yfz450 with mods or another banshee.. (love me two strokes).

thanks
lez

[Ozzy84]

got one 2 weeks ago for 10500 with cherry bomb and free first service, but that was a one off deal, but they can be had quite easily for arond 10700 to 11000 with cherry bomb and free first service.

if your willing to travel ring chris watson mc in cessnock (near newcastle) or suzuki of newcastle and get a price off them,

or do what i did, ring suzuki head office and find out where there are ltr's on shop floors in QLD/NSW that way you can have one sooner rather than later

[OZ_450]

700rappy wrote:

got one 2 weeks ago for 10500 with cherry bomb and free first service, but that was a one off deal, but they can be had quite easily for arond 10700 to 11000 with cherry bomb and free first service. if your willing to travel ring chris watson mc in cessnock (near newcastle) or suzuki of newcastle and get a price off them, or do what i did, ring suzuki head office and find out where there are ltr's on shop floors in QLD/NSW that way you can have one sooner rather than later

when you buy a new quad or bike the first service is ussually free if your dealer dont do it for free he is just being a cnut lol

rrp i was told by Francis motorcycles for a lt450r was $11900 so price you got quote darkchild sounds unfair

dunno what a cherrybomb is worth so cant help ya there maybe smitty can shed some prices for u
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[Ozzy84]

true that oz,

cherry bomb is worth about $90 from most places and yeah rrp is 11900

[darkchild666]

The dealed reckoned that the rrp of $11990 is str8 out of the crate,and dosen't include delivery charge or them having to assemble it.

I said i'd put it together but he reckons that would void the warranty!

Think he was just looking @ how much commision he can get out of me.

i even told them i'd pay 4 it with $$$$$.

[Ozzy84]

jeez there are some scamers about,

simple, go elsewhere mate

[PeteW]

darkchild666 wrote:

The dealed reckoned that the rrp of $11990 is str8 out of the crate,and dosen't include delivery charge or them having to assemble it. I said i'd put it together but he reckons that would void the warranty!

What a load of "profanity removed", we put together Cowchasers 1st one uot of the crate, the only thing you have to do is put the bloody handlebars on and install the battery everything else is on it in the box already, even the wheels.
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[darkchild666]

PeteW wrote:

darkchild666 wrote: The dealed reckoned that the rrp of $11990 is str8 out of the crate,and dosen't include delivery charge or them having to assemble it. I said i'd put it together but he reckons that would void the warranty! What a load of "profanity removed", we put together Cowchasers 1st one uot of the crate, the only thing you have to do is put the bloody handlebars on and install the battery everything else is on it in the box already, even the wheels.

yeah i rang a couple of other dealers 2day,

1 said 11,990 is thr rrp and they cant realy go under that because of how hard it is 2 get hold of 1.

Then rang another store said 1 want 1 for 10,500-11,000 with cherrry bomb and service.and if they had 1 in stock .They sadi no but they can get hold of 1 EASILY enough.
and come in and he'll look after me.
He also said that that price includes the delivery and assembly of the bike.

another 1 told me when i get a qoute from another store 2 give them the chance to beat or match it.

so i've found out that some stores are just money hungry!!!!

[Ozzy84]

the bargains are there to be had just gotta do your research, shop you found sounds alright though

[OZ_450]

research and stand ya ground

remember u are the one who has the cash and shops are the ones who want it so which one wants it bad enough will help you out

then stick to them for service and parts and u will find they will look after you
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[darkchild666]

OZ_450 wrote:

research and stand ya ground remember u are the one who has the cash and shops are the ones who want it so which one wants it bad enough will help you out then stick to them for service and parts and u will find they will look after you

Thanks guys
You'se have been a big support.
good to see theres a great site around thats also got a great community aswell.

I'll keep you'se posted on what happens.should get 1 by next friday.

[ATV PRO]

Hi Dark Child
The Honda is dominating in the states both MX and TT
7 out of 10 aint bad.Doug Gust was winning on a LT 400(450 kit) and now he is on a U Beut LT 450 and getting smoked by Hondas! Go figure?
All the engine builders agree you can get more Rear wheel and usable horsepower (Torq)from the Honda engine (A wooping 7 HP more than a fully worked Zook).
If you are seriously racing in any grade then you will not be using the A Arms ,axels,suspension ... So I still believe right now the Honda is the Machine if you wana win races.If you wana buy a quad and not touch it the Zook is a good package(or you are prepaired to wait 6 months for proper hot up bits like camshafts,Computer enhancement and larger intake chutes required for true combination building and that will be a lot more expensive compared to the building a Honda engine ,then go ahead) .Buy a Quad that it based on facts ,results and be aware of the Hype and talked up excitment of any new model.
Thats the way I see it ! and yes I support Honda Quads ,why wouldnt I ?
Cheers Len
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[Ozzy84]

you just said it, still early days for the zook in regards to performance bits, wait and see i say, LTR is without a doubt the best quad ive ridden overall,

they all have attributes that perform better than the other, however IMO the ltr is a better bike overall for someone that only wants to do the basic mods (exhaust, intake etc), if any at all......

i say wait a season or so longer to determine the best out of the 450's

[ATV PRO]

Check this out,we can all live in hope but these are the facts and these two guys are the best quad engine builders around (yes they build other engine than Honda)! If you are ok to wait cool,if you want the best chance of winning right now,then I believe these comments below should convince you that Honda is the one. Judge for your self.
Cheers Len

Went to my first National ATV race this past weekend @ Red Bud in Buchanan Michigan and I will say this " If you have never been to one, GO!!!! It is awesome!! "

Well we had rain up this way for about a week and they said it would rain the whole weekend too, it was Muddier than chit up there, like walking in Pig "profanity removed" but w/o the smell lol. The rain held out on Sat. for the most part and on Sun. it held out for the whole event. Fortunatly they have alot of equipment to keep the track groomed and dry well dry enough. The gate was the only real muddy place on the track so once they all faught through that it was balls to the wall racing.

Hung out with Dee quite a bit during the weekend and he is "One Hell Of a Guy Nice Guy", Never blew us off once which was amazing considering the pressure he is under getting the bikes ready for the Motos. He hooked my 3 year old son up with some decals, a used piston from Natalie's bike and even stopped cleaning the bike and set him on it to take pictures.

We helped ( Unhooked and I ) out when ever we could by holding the bikes up while they swapped tires which was frequent becasue nobody could make up their minds on Sat on which tires to run beings the gate was So muddy. Really really neat stuff to say the least, it was a great weekend and then to personaly watch Natalie whoop their ass' in both Motos was AWESOME!!!!

John Natalie and Michelle Reiser are also very friendly people, I talked to John a few times and he is a Cool Guy, very down to earth and doesnt have a big head like some would expect. He always makes time for the fans no matter how old or young they are, My 3 year old went up to him by his self RIGHT after he won the 2nd moto and was surrounded by the Press, Dee and his fans and held his hand out to give John "5" and John stopped what he was doing and gave him a Low 5 and then a High 5 and said " Thanks Man", in my opinion that is Awesome.


Now on to the Power, Alot of people talk "profanity removed" and say " There is only so much you can do to a motor " and " Its impossible to get that much power " and whatever else they say BUT I am here to tell you " Dee Manshack and Dan Lamey know something that others DO NOT ! ". Go watch a National Race and pay attention to the way these bikes run compared to the others out there and you will see. I watched Johns bike pull 3 and 4 bike lengths on the others like Gust and Jones all weekend, Up hill is where it really shows, I damn near want to say it was No Comparision .

Joe Byrds bike runs like a " Scalded Dawg " too but I think he was having suspension issues from seeing all the Axis guys at his trailer and tinkering with the bike BUT this is only my opinion. Joe got the Holeshot in the 1st Moto and held the lead for a few laps and then fell back and took forth. His bike sounds totaly different than any other bike out there too, Kinda sounds like a Small Chevy engine and look to pull about like one too .

These guys ( Dee and Dan ) are on top of their games and it shows week in and week out.

Ohhh I almost forgot, Dee said if it wasnt so damn muddy in the pits he was gonna let me take Johns bike for a ride , I can only hope he offers that next time lol.


Thanks Again Dee

Corey


PS: All you haters better watch out because Natlies Back Baby!!! He went back to the Old School Training so "look out" !!!!
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[cowchaser]

Enough is enough Len we all know you are supported by Honda Aust but must you keep on dribbling "profanity removed"!!!

Yes Honda have an exelent engine and chassie but thats where it stops the stock suspention is the worst in it's class by far the swingarm is still way too short, and can you tell me why it need a 44 gallon drum for a fuel tank. The TRX has the worst ergos i have ever seen on a sports quad.

And don't try and tell me that the LT-R's stock A-arms, axel and shocks arn't good enough for racing Gust and Jones are using the stock axel and swingarm on there bikes.

I am currently pulling quicker lap times on my LT-R than i was on my old $30.000 YFZ and the only performance mod i have done to the LT-R is a DMC pipe and the Cherry Bomb.

When I was in the states at Budds Creek there were stock LT-R's at pointy end of every class including A grade and Pro Am.

In my opinion for $11900 you have to be mad not to get an LT-R if your looking at buying a new quad

P.S. If you want to get a Honda up to the same class as a LT-R you will need
A-arms $1695
Swingarm $1295
Axel $795
Front Shocks $2195
Rear Shock $1695
Longer Braided brake lines $250
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$7925
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I know what i'd be getting

P.P.S Suzuki have won 2 out of the last 3 rounds in the states by the way Len so they are not getting smoked thats for sure. And I won the last round down here on a stocker

I'm not going to post about this again Len we will just have to argue about it over a beer one night hey?

[OZ_450]

didnt i read somewhere about len working for Yamaha?

if he is and he is one eyed honda either he is that bad honda dont want him working for them or he is 2 faced biting the hand that feeds him with yamaha lmfao

if im wrong well sorry len but if i am right well enoiugh said
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[JB83]

I believe all bikes have they're good and bad points, but len seems to think that races are won by horsepower?

Personally i'd rather have a bike that handled well rather than a bike with monstorous horsepower which will wear me out after a couple of laps.

In the ama supercross series 2004 Chad Reeds YZ250 was significantly underpowered compared to Kevin Windham CRF 450, and look who won.

A guy up here owns a TRX 450 and had Phil Tomlin build a high horsepower engine. I'm unsure of the cost but nothing was left untouched. Guess what. He's blown that engine twice, after very little ride time. Whats the good of spending thousands on horsepower if you can't use it.


Personally if i was new to the sport and wanted to go racing and nothing else i'd buy a LTZ 450, simply because they've got everthing you need to be competitive straight out of the box. If you're wanting to enjoy quad riding and maybe go racing I'd buy a Raptor 700.

[Hudson]

I've got a high dollar yfz that has crapped itself more times than not. My time over the ltr would be my only pick. Wide, good HP and the suspension is almost perfect except for some fiddling on the rear. All for $10500 its so much better than the $25000 i've spent on mine

[ATV PRO]

Hey Smitty ,
Would love to take you up on that beer ! No disrespect on what you ride mate!
Anyhow Im not saying the Zook is a bad quad,quit the opposite .
I work for Yamaha,not true . I work as a Manager for a Boating company Gosford and part of there range is Yamaha marine engines and Jet Ski's .So what ?That has nothing to do with Honda's dominating the US racing circuit.Yes a couple of Suzukis and 1 yamaha are in the top pro classes out of 14 Quads in TT and MX ?Horspower doesnt matter?I think it does .Yes if you are not 100% fit you will struggle riding a big Horsepower quad and two wheelers are different,less traction,more technical circuits and so on. Natalie and Bird are fit and have no trouble handling the Big Horse power and the Holeshot is giving them a hugh advantage over Gust and Jones.I would even go as far to say if they were all on the same machines the results could be very different. I like all quads but I go by results in the pro ranks (They are the best in the world !)and disregard magazine , people and Manufacturer talk ups.
I cant answer why the Big Horsepower Honda has blown but I would suggest that its probably not the Honda parts in it but the highly strung aftermarket bits .I am happy with recent results and running of my DASA 500cc Honda ,no problems here.
Smitty I will be looking at your Suspesion and A Arms at the Nationals this year and if I see Suzuki bits there I will shake my head and ask why wouldnt you want Long travel ,why are you doing yourself a disservice ?The next nationals you will be seeing riders coming out of two wheelers on to quads (Like Geneffey and Ant Yewers in Perth,taking National MX to an even higher level)You will need every bit you can get! The guys over there race regularly against Brenton and McKay on the roughest sand tracks around,thats why they went so well at Vic Nationals . In my opinion the only threat will be Luke Beechey if he races here after the US experience,he has the potential to run away with it .
I do know one thing that in a few months time when the dust settles and The Zook riders really want to be at there competative best ,you will see very few OEM bits just like the rest of them! Overall cost at the end ,about the same as the rest .

Cheers Len
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[ATV PRO]

Dirt track !
01 - Pro
Overall Number Brand License # Name City,State District Moto 1 Moto 2 Moto 3 Division Consi
1 4 HON A007492 Timothy Farr Massillon, OH 1 1 1 1
2 708 HON 373275 Harold Goodman Romulus, MI 1 2 1 2
3 12 HON A003120 Keith Little Russellville, AL 2 3 2 3
4 5 HON 442950 Shane Hitt Buckhannon, WV 3 4 3 4
5 67 HON 618787 Daryl Rath Hutchinson, MN 2 5 2 5
6 038 HON EDT0106 Michael Coburn Garretson, SD 4 6 4 6
7 25 HON A002965 Chuckie C. Creech Rocky Mount, NC 3 7 3 7
8 47 HON A002466 Zac Willett Henderson, KY 3 8 3 8
9 333 YAM A010066 Tyler Smith Walker, LA 1 9 1 9
10 43 HON A001170 Scott Morris Reidsville, NC 5 10 5 10

MMMM I dont see many Zooks here?
Cheers Len
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[ATV PRO]

None Here?
02 - Pro Am Unlimited
Overall Number Brand License # Name City,State District Moto 1 Moto 2 Moto 3 Division Consi
1 137 HON A002801 Mitch Reynolds Greenbrier, AR 1 1 1 1
2 81 YAM A004583 Chris L. Gary Horse Branch, KY 2 2 2 2
3 67 HON 618787 Daryl Rath Hutchinson, MN 1 3 1 3
4 626 YAM A001382 Jason England Hickory, KY 3 4 3 4
5 191 YAM A004748 Chris Mezo Herrin, IL 3 5 3 5
6 723 HON A013498 Shawn Stamm Archbold, OH 5 6 5 6
7 31 HON A011862 William J. Scalisi Clay, NY 6 7 6 7
8 56 HON A011559 Stephen Loxley Morganfield, KY 4 8 4 8
9 84 YAM A007274 Thomas Brown Sanger, TX 2 9 2 9
10 93 HON A002160 Brandon Shipman Henley, MO 7 10 7 10

Cheers Len
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[ATV PRO]

Or Here
03 - Pro Am Production
Overall Number Brand License # Name City,State District Moto 1 Moto 2 Moto 3 Division Consi
1 708 HON 373275 Harold Goodman Romulus, MI 1 1 1 1
2 12 HON A003120 Keith Little Russellville, AL 6 2 6 2
3 137 HON A002801 Mitch Reynolds Greenbrier, AR 1 3 1 3
4 43 HON A001170 Scott Morris Reidsville, NC 2 4 2 4
5 25 HON A002965 Chuckie C. Creech Rocky Mount, NC 5 5 5 5
6 47 HON A002466 Zac Willett Henderson, KY 3 6 3 6
7 56 HON A011559 Stephen Loxley Morganfield, KY 2 7 2 7
8 13 HON A010117 Frank Batista Riverdale, CA 4 8 4 8
9 121 YAM A008469 Jason D. Steadman Whiteville, NY 4 9 4 9
10 63 HON A013713 Mark C. Wycough Batesville, AR 5 10 5 10
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[OZ_450]

hey len what about if you compare production quads or class?

think the honda would still dominate??

just curious is all
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