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[123boath]

hey everyone.

My Bro is thinking of updating his troopy with a new 70 series GXL landcruiser ute.

Im just wondering if anyone on here owns one or know sum1 that owns one? if they have had any problems? what they think of it?

Cheers Nick.

[JRE]

pm noodles he loves his

[Dino]

Great trucks. V8 rego in QLD is a killer.
A good one will keep you going for 20 years. Only problems I've heard is the usual japanese susspensions and ordinary fuel injectors.
I just have a bit of trouble seeing 70 K in something that, in real terms isn't that different from 1985. Yes, the motor and suspension are better, and the cab is a bit better, but the overall package really hasn't changed that much.
Maybe they got it pretty right back then. If your bro can swing it for a new one, he should have a good run out of it.
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[Quaggy]

I have one, they are a good truck with plenty of grunt but they are all having problems with burnig oil pretty bad. Mine uses about 1.2 liters every 10000k's. A mate of mine aslo has one and it uses around the same. There isnt too many around that dont burn oil so i've been told by the local toyota dealership. They have done modifications to mine and plenty of others that i know of to try to fix the problem but nothing seems to work. It still drinks it. It goes in next week for a compression test to see if the rings are shot Pretty bad for a truck with only 60000k's on it.

Apart from the oil issue I love the truck. Wouldnt buy anything else. And the new dash is a nice face lift imo.

[Quad]

Also the wheel track is heaps wider at the front to the rear. v8 model. By 1/2 a tyre track

yes they drink oil you guys must have a good one ,try 1 ltr pur 1000km
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[dangerman4]

would a near new f250 be a better option?

[shacks]

F250 are getting harder to find near new and trust me they are not without there fair share of problems either.

[Earthmover]

save the cash get a 2x4 leav the 4 wheel driving to the quads
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[123boath]

ahk, ive got a HJ75 cruiser ute and the new ones are alot roomier then mine u dnt sit like a stiffy plus mine is guttless cause its gettin old but still keeps goin

Ive heard of the burning oil issue but i didnt know it was pritti much all of em. 1litre every 1000kms is baddddd, have they fitted rings that are incorrect size or a badly designed oil ring? thort the japanse wouldve tested the engines a fair bit before putting them on the production line :S.

i knew they hand a wider track front end but all the aftermarket 4x4 joints have got wheel spacers out for the rear alredy and havent had any problems with them.

Cheers for all the input

nick.

[doorslammer]

are we talking petrol or diesel?
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[123boath]

diesel.

[doorslammer]

considered the 24 valve turbo 6. 1HD-TFE? with a DP chip and exhaust system they have some balls!
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[Dino]

A tip for excessive oil consumption:
Get the injectors done. ahh. don't bother with OE ones.
Renowned for excess fuel. Doesn't show up as a hot running motor because the cooling system is pretty good from the 79 series onwards.
Either Motsons or Luxons have been fixing/ipmproving them for over 20 years. It's only money.
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[tbr926]

never late in a v8

running her in on the way to finke 08



500kms a tank now got a 3 inch manta exhaust and sting chip by manta and are getting well over 660kms

[MadDog_Banshee]

shacks wrote:

F250 are getting harder to find near new and trust me they are not without there fair share of problems either.

Theres a 4x4 dual cab F250 in our family. its done 380000km since its birth in 02. It's jacked up (not by much) and has 34's on it. Everything is dead stock.

There has been the occassional bug in it but its easily and cheaply repaired.
What you want to look out for is the steering boxes. Be prepared to hear extortion when you ring a ford dealer to find a replacement ie $6500 for ONLY ONE BOX. A part which you can pick up for $250 in the states without exchange. But be warned.. when you buy parts from the states you have to drum in to these fat donut munchers that its a right hand drive. you have to keep doing it until they yell at you to shut up. Three times we paid for parts to come and three times they send us stuff for a left hand drive ute. Always pay by credit card when you buy the parts so you can get your money back.

Overall its a far more capable ute than the landcruiser. the landcruiser troopy has about 2/3 the torque and the same horsepower of a standard F250.

The good news about these utes? they have a total working engine life of no less than 1 million miles. If you plan to spend up big, import yourself next years model. Damn ... Damn.... and Dammmmnnn again. the model after the ones that were available here came out as 6.3 litre. The one next year will be a 6.8 litre V8 twin turbo. more than 350hp and more torque to go against 2 landcruisers playing tug of war. The even better news is fuel consumption is dropping by amazing amounts every year with Ford. You are likely to see mileage of about 800km to a standard tank of 105 litres. Considering the ute weighs just about 3 tonnes... well... move over VW Golf TDi!!!!

Lets talk real today terms. The F250's available here get close to 600 to a tank however, like any diesel, you must take care of it! If we lived in the land of obama, we could afford a new motor every week, but parts are expensive here. You will find once you drive one that you won't want to get out of it. The fun part is towing! you seriously seriously forget there's a trailer behind you! Make sure you get it in Auto. The Auto box is fantastic.


Landcruisers? We've had a ute. A 2008 GXL. It's a great ute if you love going 4x4ing in. It fights in tight(er) places that the F250 can't, but at the end of the day... and no offence to them.... V8's just aren't a japanese thing. Yes I know they make a mean Lexus ISF but seriously, if you want a landcruiser just stick with the straight 6 turbo diesel. The hp gain is almost unnoticable over the 6 and ok there is more torque but I would rather the reliability of the 6 than the buggy V8. And seriously now... Oil every 1000km???? Come on!!! They are reliable and good, but in my opinion... a waste of money. Nearly 60k for one when you can pick up a good F250 for that money.

Our ute was written off in an accident and I think we'll be returning to an older model. Don't get me wrong. I love toyota's and I think that Toyota has a good thing going with the solid front end instead of this crappy IFS that every soft roader has now. Hiluxes, rodeos, navarra's..... i swear its doing my head in to think of the constant head aches that are associated with repairs and modifications of these utes with IFS!!

my recommendation? Either one is good. The F250 purrs along the freeway and is mechanically almost bullet proof (as the engine is close to 20 years old) bar the odd electric bug. The landcruiser is a great workhorse and getting more capable of the demands of todays cowboys. Either one would be great and I tell you what would make them both better?

F250
- detroit locker in the rear
- air locker in the front or detroit
- Skyjacker or EFS 4 inch lift all round
- 35's
- Steel tray (preferably with trundle)
- lightforce lights galore!
- HEI or Steinbauer make good EMS computers for them, dual 4inch stainless and an APEXi boost controller will wake it up
- A custom comp steel bar with a Warn 15000lb winch

Landcruiser
- Same deal but a smaller winch and an aluminium tray


But of course all these things are good if money is not an object!!
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[shacks]

The new f250's have a 6.4 litre. They are saying that these are the best motors. The 6 litre that got released after the 7.3 are not liked to much on the forums in the states for there head stud problems. Were abouts in the states are you getting your steering boxes from. Im due for one or two of them aswell.
I love my f250 it can tow what you want it to and it is bloody quick for a diesel. ( LEAVES THOSE V8 LANDCRUISERS FOR DEAD). but The biggest problem with them is the transmission and steering. Ive done a few mods to mine which make it drive much nicer.
4 inch lift
35 inch tyres
New trans with all the billet goodies
4 inch turbo back exhaust
Edge evolution programmer 60-100hp
tymar air intake.
pyro,boost and trans gauges

The best mod ive done was get built a proper trans that can handle the motor. I get about 650 -700 kms to a tank with these mods (130 litres)

I wont get rid of mine for a long time, as i couldn't go back to a landcruiser and it costs too much to import a new f250 over.

[MadDog_Banshee]

The ford website says that next years diesel will be a 6.8

if you want a good steering box go to powerstrokeshop and get it from there. speak to a guy named ben. its best you ring them before talking over the net. have your VIN handy as well.

a bloke i know of had one of the first to come out. he had his transmission go on it. so they took it back to ford to get redone. some young punk apprentice took it for a joy ride and wrote it off. he was going that fast he sheared the telegraph pole in half and it fell on the roof of the ute. when he found out he went to ford and pulled out all of his aftermarket gear from the wreck and they gave him an XR6 turbo ute as a loan until the new rig came in. when i saw him drive it i don't think it did anything less than 9000rpm.


i saw his F250 blow an APS STi off the lights.
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[A.J]

their is a field service repair being done to all v8 cruisers and it dose fix them and if you do own one or are thinking of buying one toyota say the fuel filter is lifetime fuel filter but replace it every 20000kms just like a normal diesel duel filter and you wont damage your fuel system

[4stroker]

A.J wrote:

their is a field service repair being done to all v8 cruisers and it dose fix them

what is it??
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[crx450r]

the biggest problem with the injectors on the v8's is the filtration of the fuel toyota filters don't filter the fuel fine enough apparently they have 15 micron filter the injectors and the pump have very close tolerances and need super clean fuel every toyota sold from my local dealer have an optional aftermarket fuel filter the filter is a 5 micron finer filter fitted before the factory fitted fuel filter

[shacks]

That souds like a very uncommon problem for a Toyota. Wouldnt they put a 5 micron after the 15micron. You think Toyota would recall them if it was a big issue and replace filters for a better suited one.

[A.J]

the repair is some gaskets inside the sump

the fuel filter is fine but yes the systems are desined on european diesel which is much cleaner which means if your smart you change the fuel filter every 20000kms but a finner fuel filter would help but i would put it after the stock fuel filter so the firls ones get the larger particles then the finer one cleans out the rest

[crx450r]

if you fit the finer filter after the factory toyota filter you will void all warranty on the fuel system they want to keep there filter as a last resort
i know it sounds stupid putting a fine filter before a coarse filter
12 months ago we had the engineers that designed the engine at the toyota dealer here inspecting failed part to see where they were having problems since then the have upgraded the injectors on both the landcruiser and the hilux they have also remapped the injector drivers

[A.J]

yeah i noticed that the injector nozels and scv on the pump looked a bit different glad they finally changed them have replaced many injectors and pumps

[Camsasddad]

my bro traded his six cyl turbo for a v8 and regrets it (severly!!), says it is just to thirsty.
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