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[jnrracer14]

Rotax46 wrote:

Quote: it was shown at the nationals in Perth that the young kid Who raced a Cobra and was Protested against, His machine was cleared of all Protests against it This is not 100% correct Jrnracer14, the protest did not clear his machine at all, the tests,measurements and inspections were undertaken incorrectly, and incorrect proceedures were followed MA have admitted this, therefore the tests were inconclusive. Now back to the rule change issue.

so he wasn't cleared hey? Is That why his name is in on record as winning the championship! I see your money was well spent then! Where is the paperwork stating such a fact? And tell me how the kid that raced the cobra has the NATIONAL TITLE? The tests were done and a decision was or wasn't made which is it? Or are you saying that this kids bike is NOT how it should be ? Are you calling this kid a cheat? Someone told me this is the second time this kids bike has been checked and both times was fine so fill us all in and show us the documentation that says so... If this is true?

[JimmyO]

jnrracer14 wrote:

JimmyO wrote: i do find it interesting that after his initial tirade and "facts" jnrracer14 is not coming back to show where he got them from WHY WOULD I ANSWER ANYTHING YOU SAY JIMMO YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RACING ON A MA TRACK ! Let people who Race on a MA track do the answering as i have no time to respond to those who have no idea what this is all about , go jump on another dicussion page that you actually have insite to and stop waisting my time. And Just to let you know I do not have a problem with Trail riding i think both are good forms of riding. But like i said this is about RACING on MA tracks not social riding!

Never said I don't race on an MA track mate, just said I didnt go to a few certain events. i've got my MA licence, probably like most people on here and am interested in keeping the sport going strong like I would imagine everyone else here wants to do.

And where's the proof of your 'facts'?

[Rotax46]

As MA dont appear to want to listen to its members perhaps it's time to start looking at options before we have no more sport.

AASA are interested. More on this to come.
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To whom it may concern,

Changes to Motorcycling Australia’s Junior racing rules have been made to encourage sport growth and ensure a true "entry level" class that kids can come and test the waters with slower recreational quads without being intimidated (Limited class), while still fostering a faster, more competitive racing class for the higher performance OEM race ready machines and modified machines (Comp class).

Recent years have seen the vast majority of complaints from the quad community centred around fairness in Junior racing. In 2010 the NQAC conducted the widest quad community consultation which discovered a great variety of opinions and discontent. From national member base input, recommendations were shaped into rule amendments aimed at ensuring; the original intention of our existing quad rules are preserved, Junior safety is reinforced, fairness in racing classes is encouraged and future sport growth is facilitated by making it clear that Juniors racing 90cc 2 stroke and 110cc 4 stroke machines are limited to reasonable speeds for their first 2 years of racing in this class. In recent years a few modern higher technology, higher performance machines produced by smaller niche manufacturers have influenced the Junior race scene in an unregulated manner. These high performance machines are not discouraged, and are an ideal fit for the Junior ‘Comp’ class available to over 9 year olds (just not in limited classes).
Why select the speed limit from the SVIA standard Y-10+ATV? (which is 30mph or 48kph).
Drawing a line for junior class separation was an obvious necessity, and placing any one line to perfectly suit every possible junior entrant in Australia was clearly going to stamp a divide. Seeking a machine limiting factor for Junior class separation, an internationally common speed limit was found to be used in many existing standards. The ANSI/SVIA standards define a line that is recognized by every large volume motorcycle manufacturer in the world today.
Historically, MA’s Junior rules have always been based on allowing these commonly available Junior machines to race under MA’s conditions. Not exceeding 48kmh goes a long way to reducing risk in our youngest 90cc / 110cc classes. There is no intention to follow the full SVIA standard to the letter, more that if all of the world’s largest product manufacturers are marketing to this standard that it makes sense to choose any desired limit comparably.
As of the 2nd Jan 2011, the following manufacturers ‘only make junior quads’ that meet this standard;

Arctic Cat Inc. - American Honda Motor Co., Inc. - Polaris Industries Inc.- American Suzuki Motor Corporation - Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. - Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A. - Bombardier Motor Corp. of America & Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. (f/k/a Bombardier Inc.) - Cannondale Corporation - Baja, Inc., d/b/a as Baja Motorsports - TM North America - Taotao USA Inc. - L & R Racing Inc., d/b/a DRR - KYMCO USA - Wildfire Motors - Tomoto Industries, Inc. - Maxtrade LLC (d/b/a Coolster.com) - SunL Group, Inc. (This plan was terminated on March 29, 2011) - Dynamoto LLC - Luyuan, Inc. - Chongqing Shineray Motorcycle Co., Ltd. - Carter Brothers Manufacturing Co., Inc. - NST Inc.
PowerGroup International LLC (d/b/a Tomberlin Outdoor) - Jianshe USA Inc. - ETON America, LLC - Galaxy Powersports, - LLC, d/b/a JCL International, LLC - Peace Industry Group (USA), Inc. - Shenke USA, Inc. - Sunright International of - America, Inc. - BMX Imports, Inc. - ZAP Corporation - Pacific Rim International West, Inc. - Barefoot Motors, LLC - USA Motortoys, LLC - Metal Motorsports, Inc. - CFMOTO Powersports, Inc. - 3Z Scale International, LLC - El Sol Trading, Inc., DBA Motobravo - Titan Imports, Inc., d/b/a US Titan, Inc. - Sirius Recreational Products LLC - Kandi USA, Inc. - Vitacci Motorcyles, Inc. - BMS Motorsports, Inc. - Yamazuki, Inc. - Lil Pick Up, Inc

All under 90cc 2 stroke or 110cc 4 stroke Youth ATV’s available from the above manufacturers will not exceed 48kmh in their OEM specification, giving any official absolute confidence in their decision making on these products.
There are only a few models from smaller niche manufacturers that are being raced in Australia, not limited to; the Pro Shark MXR90 and Cobra models greater than 63cc engine displacement. 2011 GCR’s do not allow these models to be raced in ‘Limited’ classes because they knowingly exceed 48kmh. Any uncategorized quad or new model from a non complying manufacturer should only be eligible for racing in the higher Comp classes unless Limited ‘equivalence’ is obvious.

MA is aware that most / or all states of Australia usually combine same capacity Junior classes in typically low entrant number events. Therefore it is most likely that Junior 90cc / 110cc Limited and Comp class entrants will race on the same track at the same time which makes direct comparison very easy and also makes it possible to shift classes and points if necessary after witnessing practice or race sessions. If acting in the best interest of the sport, no Parent or Official will be reprimanded for making an honest mistake in technically grading a Limited or Comp machine.
Equivalence to the 48kmh speed limit is allowed to encourage the most fair and open field of competitive machines in Australian quad racing. The highest priority for the majority of Junior entrants is racing for fun. MA wishes to foster this aspect of motorcycling and hopes that allowing ‘equivalence’ invites more manufacturers and entrants.
Any member can have their machine accepted to this limited standard by independent officials, and if the machine is ever noted to obviously go faster or the Limited entrant is successful in consistently gaining podium positions in this class, Machine reassessment should be invited. Remembering that the intention of this rule is to let more kids race for fun, and not encourage trophy hunting. The aspect of equivalence should not offend anyone. Any non SVIA compliant machine should not be aimed at a National Title Trophy without expecting maximum scrutiny. Any such entrant should invite and take pride in absolutely satisfying machine scrutiny.


Kind regards

Barry French
Operations Manager
Motorcycling Australia
Tel: (03) 9684 0503
www.ma.org.au
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[scottydig]

Hi,

There are a number of chinese companies listed above.
So does this open the door for chinese bikes to be raced in the limited class.
If so as long as they have a lanyard kill switch and nerf bars then they should be eligible to race.
We all talk about growing the sport and including these companies [china bikes] is a great way to introduce young riders to our sport in a controlled manner.
It provides new parents to the sport an affordable way to give their kids a bit of exposure to quad racing/riding in a controlled and safe enviroment.
The limited class is about having fun and the more the merrier.
If you have ever been to a 2 wheeler race day and watched the Div.1 class go around it can be a bit painful to watch.
However the Div.1 kids are having the time of there life and we should all support our junior riders.

thanks scotty
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[scooby]

90cc Classes

Stock (CVT Only) - Y 10 + compliant bikes only. Ages 7 - 12

Production (CVT Only) - Race Ready OEM Bikes. Ages 7 - 12

Open - Modified production/stock bikes and Shifter bikes. Ages 9 -12

Just a thought as similar to the GNCC and WORCS Rules

[scottydig]

The WA QUAD MX have got a balance in the way they are running their classes.
7-13yrs limited.
9-13yrs comp.
I don't know why they couldn't make it 7-13yrs comp.[MA rules I suppose ]
This would Keep everyone happy !!!!!
If you new ;ride limited.
Once you get confident ; get a faster bike and step up.
SIMPLE !!!!!!
The Race ready dilema will raise it ugly head in the 200/300 class in the coming 12 months with the introduction of the apex 250.
The limited bike modified to suit will not even come close .
We may end up with a limited and a race ready /comp. in the 200/300 class as well.
We should then call it limited and comp./open[hybrid] classes as they do overseas to make it more competitive.

thanks scotty
QQRA junior development officer
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[Clarkie]

scooby wrote:

90cc Classes Stock (CVT Only) - Y 10 + compliant bikes only. Ages 7 - 12 Production (CVT Only) - Race Ready OEM Bikes. Ages 7 - 12 Open - Modified production/stock bikes and Shifter bikes. Ages 9 -12 Just a thought as similar to the GNCC and WORCS Rules

That would never work, it makes sense and is to easy
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

The WA QUAD MX have got a balance in the way they are running their classes.
7-13yrs limited.
9-13yrs comp.
I don't know why they couldn't make it 7-13yrs comp.[MA rules I suppose ]


7 - U 13 to get enough to constitute a limited class
9- u 13 comp as per GCR's cant run comp any younger
as per our WA championship regs 5 constitutes a class for state championship.
Also our second junior round was a 1300km round trip on easter at Kalgoorlie, hence low numbers, limited class had no participants.

The only problems i have with the rules, are when i see kids get sent home for stupid things, ie buying new wheels for an old bike, when the oem ones are no longer available... or when a child is seen to be riding a bike that could go fast, but they dont ride fast and are forced into a class that is half a lap quicker.

Grade the riders not the bikes
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[scottydig]

Great logic Mrs Gaiter !!!
You have your finger on the pulse.

thanks scotty.
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[pyjamas]

Grade the riders not the bikes


Not a bad idea
After checking out the WORCS and GNCC Rules that Pyjamas mentioned this is also what they do
But do we have the numbers here to do that?

What I dont like about the new rules is that next year when our girls move up to the 90 class next year with current bike they will have to compete against modified and shifters. It just doesnt seem right to have to go straight from the 50 to 90 mod class despite being on an OEM bike
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[Huskygoat]

pyjamas wrote:

Grade the riders not the bikes Not a bad idea After checking out the WORCS and GNCC Rules that Pyjamas mentioned this is also what they do But do we have the numbers here to do that? What I dont like about the new rules is that next year when our girls move up to the 90 class next year with current bike they will have to compete against modified and shifters. It just doesnt seem right to have to go straight from the 50 to 90 mod class despite being on an OEM bike

Hmmmm the way I read the rules .... A apex is a modified quad ...OEM is this True ...... NQAC have got these so wrong .

MY susgestion to grow the sport NEW NON competitive kids turning up for the first day should be able to ride .... NOT shown the GATE

Unfortuneaty That parents buy their kids a Quad for Xmas on value for money not what class they can ride at the races. eg Dad buys little johnny a 90 when he is six because its going last him for 4-5 years for a extra $500 .. but he cant race it till he's 10yrs


OR have I got it wrong?

Huskygoat
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[pyjamas]

Huskygoat wrote:

pyjamas wrote: Grade the riders not the bikes Not a bad idea After checking out the WORCS and GNCC Rules that Pyjamas mentioned this is also what they do But do we have the numbers here to do that? What I dont like about the new rules is that next year when our girls move up to the 90 class next year with current bike they will have to compete against modified and shifters. It just doesnt seem right to have to go straight from the 50 to 90 mod class despite being on an OEM bike Hmmmm the way I read the rules .... A apex is a modified quad ...OEM is this True ...... NQAC have got these so wrong . MY susgestion to grow the sport NEW NON competitive kids turning up for the first day should be able to ride .... NOT shown the GATE Unfortuneaty That parents buy their kids a Quad for Xmas on value for money not what class they can ride at the races. eg Dad buys little johnny a 90 when he is six because its going last him for 4-5 years for a extra $500 .. but he cant race it till he's 10yrs OR have I got it wrong? Huskygoat

He can race it at 7 but as long it fits within the Y10+ guidelines or equivalent
If it doesnt he then has to wait til 9

Our girls are 8 and their bike 50cc Apex has been judged as equivalent to y10+ so when they step up next year are they able to ride this in the limited 90 class? I dont think so as the rules also state that once a rider attains the age of 9 they are not permitted on a 50cc machine. Again a crossover in rules, as the rules also state the age of a rider on January 1 is the age class they are entitled to enter for the year. The girls turn 9 in April.
What class do they enter next year?
Dont want to compete against modified CVTs or Shifters
I do understand that they will be on the track at the same time until we have sufficient numbers
They ride for fun not sheep stations but also like being competitive
The list goes on and I'm still confused
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[Huskygoat]

Do the rules allow a 7yr to race with 10yrs?? I would think not?
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[Rotax46]

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Our girls are 8 and their bike 50cc Apex has been judged as equivalent to y10+

By who? Have you got it in writing? What proceedure did they use to ascertain this? and were they licenced to do so?
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[pyjamas]

Have been told they SHOULD be ok by NQAC Rep and no it isnt in writing.

I'm still REALLY confused[/url]
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[pyjamas]

Huskygoat wrote:

Do the rules allow a 7yr to race with 10yrs?? I would think not?

Thats where it gets confusing for me

Age class stipulates 7 - under 10 (limited 90-110)

But another rule also stipulates that the age of the rider as of the 1st of January is the age class that they are entitled to enter for the season
For example - 9yrs old on the first of January dont turn 10 til say August
Then officially the class may have 10 yr olds racing in it

Please correct me if I'm wrong
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

if theres enough kids to split into comp and limited, theres enough to grade into a and b
at least with a and b common sense can prevail, and everyone gets to ride, no matter what bike they bring, and the kids are graded on how fast they ride, not how fast the bike can go

Imagine this, place these same rules on seniors.

Anyone who rides a KTM, Honda, Yamaha or suzuki has to be a pro after all look how fast they go?
or anyone who has a pipe and after market shocks, all have to go in pro too, because some people seem to think with those add ons, it gives the rider a massive advantage.

Thank goodness the seniors arnt dealt the same rules hey.
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[triple"A"]

scooby wrote:

90cc Classes Stock (CVT Only) - Y 10 + compliant bikes only. Ages 7 - 12 Production (CVT Only) - Race Ready OEM Bikes. Ages 7 - 12 Open - Modified production/stock bikes and Shifter bikes. Ages 9 -12 Just a thought as similar to the GNCC and WORCS Rules

and as soon as there are enough numbers to do this it would be welcomed.

the apex/pro-shark shifter bikes should make this possible , when they boost the numbers of shifter quads, but will that just move the issue as kids currently on cvt's leave that class to ride shifter??

[triple"A"]

scottydig wrote:

The WA QUAD MX have got a balance in the way they are running their classes. 7-13yrs limited. 9-13yrs comp. I don't know why they couldn't make it 7-13yrs comp.[MA rules I suppose ] This would Keep everyone happy !!!!! If you new ;ride limited. Once you get confident ; get a faster bike and step up. SIMPLE !!!!!! The Race ready dilema will raise it ugly head in the 200/300 class in the coming 12 months with the introduction of the apex 250. The limited bike modified to suit will not even come close . We may end up with a limited and a race ready /comp. in the 200/300 class as well. We should then call it limited and comp./open[hybrid] classes as they do overseas to make it more competitive. thanks scotty QQRA junior development officer

i agree, when i read the supp regs for the WA series , it was evident there is a way to make the rules work

[pyjamas]

[quote="Mrs_Gaitar"]if theres enough kids to split into comp and limited, theres enough to grade into a and b
at least with a and b common sense can prevail, and everyone gets to ride, no matter what bike they bring, and the kids are graded on how fast they ride, not how fast the bike can go

Absolutelty excellent idea
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[scooby]

triple"A" wrote:

scooby wrote: 90cc Classes Stock (CVT Only) - Y 10 + compliant bikes only. Ages 7 - 12 Production (CVT Only) - Race Ready OEM Bikes. Ages 7 - 12 Open - Modified production/stock bikes and Shifter bikes. Ages 9 -12 Just a thought as similar to the GNCC and WORCS Rules and as soon as there are enough numbers to do this it would be welcomed. the apex/pro-shark shifter bikes should make this possible , when they boost the numbers of shifter quads, but will that just move the issue as kids currently on cvt's leave that class to ride shifter??

It might. But hopefully as the shifter numbers increase they can then split the shifter class into its own class as the WORCS Series has done in the USA. Check out the WORCS website that has been previously mentioned.

[Mrs_Gaitar]

Huskygoat wrote:

Do the rules allow a 7yr to race with 10yrs?? I would think not?

as with many sets of sup regs to do with juniors, this is added

"More than 4 years age difference maybe permitted"
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[yogie]

can a 10 (nearly 11) year old ride a stock 90 raptor ??

and can a 7 (nearly ride a stock 90 raptor ???

and if a kid can ride proshark OEM and beat my kids every time, GOOD LUCK to him/her, as long as my kids can have a go, thats good enough for us.
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

OEM Raptor 90cc can be ridden by a 7 or 10 yr old
(But not a nearly 7 yr old, the 6 yr old has to ride a 50cc )

From what weve been told all pro sharks are in comp class

but then again DRR now appears on the list from Barry French
so I guess an OEM DRR can now compete in the limited class,
not as previously advised.
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