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[fossil800R]

nrp77 wrote:

You should look on ebay in the US if your bro is over there and get the gear sent to his house. There is so much stuff for quads on ebay over there at extremely good prices that its not even funny. MY next door neighbour is from the US and he is going home for Xmas and to bring the rest of his stuff over an he is grabbing me a tonne of parts for my raptor and packing it with his stuff.

Got to agree with you guys here. I would love to be able to give my cash to those local sponsors supporting not only the forum but also the quad scene here in Oz. But unfortunately the prices of gear from the states at the moment is way too good to pass up, especially the stuff on E bay. Yesterday I picked up a full HMF pipe, Dobeck fuel controller and proflow with KN filter for $715 AUD, tag bumper for $80 AUD, and a set of Zeta bark buster/hand guards for $85 AUD. Although I ultimately paid more freight by seperating my purchases to keep them under $1000 (thanks for the tip marty), my total outlay was still only just under $1100 AUD.
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[yogie]

fossil700R wrote:

[ Got to agree with you guys here. I would love to be able to give my cash to those local sponsors supporting not only the forum but also the quad scene here in Oz. But unfortunately the prices of gear from the states at the moment is way too good to pass up, especially the stuff on E bay. Yesterday I picked up a full HMF pipe, Dobeck fuel controller and proflow with KN filter for $715 AUD, tag bumper for $80 AUD, and a set of Zeta bark buster/hand guards for $85 AUD. Although I ultimately paid more freight by seperating my purchases to keep them under $1000 (thanks for the tip marty), my total outlay was still only just under $1100 AUD.

most of these places will put down as a gift... no sales tax. Just ask them.
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[marty_yfz]

i think you have to be careful that you arent getting these things sent all on the same day otherwise they add them all together and hit you with the tax.atleast thats what it says on the cuctoms website.

[OZ_450]

fossil700R wrote:

nrp77 wrote: You should look on ebay in the US if your bro is over there and get the gear sent to his house. There is so much stuff for quads on ebay over there at extremely good prices that its not even funny. MY next door neighbour is from the US and he is going home for Xmas and to bring the rest of his stuff over an he is grabbing me a tonne of parts for my raptor and packing it with his stuff. Got to agree with you guys here. I would love to be able to give my cash to those local sponsors supporting not only the forum but also the quad scene here in Oz. But unfortunately the prices of gear from the states at the moment is way too good to pass up, especially the stuff on E bay. Yesterday I picked up a full HMF pipe, Dobeck fuel controller and proflow with KN filter for $715 AUD, tag bumper for $80 AUD, and a set of Zeta bark buster/hand guards for $85 AUD. Although I ultimately paid more freight by seperating my purchases to keep them under $1000 (thanks for the tip marty), my total outlay was still only just under $1100 AUD.

and how is the back up service? i think last time i rang Adam with a prob i had replacement part next day or 2 at most
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[nrp77]

Once again, what dollar value do you put on back up service? Most of the time, I can buy 3 parts from the US cheaper than I can buy one over here, considering the ATV seen is huge in the US (partly I think due to the availability and cost of parts), you would expect the parts to be of a reasonable standard. Look on their forums and see what those guys are buying and recommending.

I am all for supporting Australian retailers, but buying smart on the expensive items, leaves me alot of cash in the bank to spend in other areas.
You only have to look at a full GYTR graphics kit with gripper seat cover from Yamaha of Troy in the US, $AU117 delivered in 5 days, compare that with $129 just for a gripper seat cover over here.

You can't tell me if the ATV suppliers in Australia teamed together and formed a buyers group, that they couldn't bring ATV parts to Australia at a fraction of the cost they do now. It's all about team work and utilising buying power to bring a competitively priced product to the market place.
This will intern create a larger end user group, effectively increasing interest in the sport and revenue for the businesses involved

It is better to make 30% on a large customer base than 100% on a small one.

[fossil800R]

OZ_450 wrote:

and how is the back up service? i think last time i rang Adam with a prob i had replacement part next day or 2 at most

I hear what your saying, but to date I have had no issues with any of the overseas purchases I have made, atv or other wise, and have found most suppliers to be honest and willing to help. The same cannot be said for some of the local suppliers I have dealt with, especially in remote areas where I have lived. The local Yamaha dealer here is so frustrating to deal with that I ended up buying my nerf bars while I was on holiday in Queensland, and driving two and a half hours to Karratha to have a Honda dealer fit tyres to my bike. After having purchased a $30,000 boat as well as my rappy from this mob, I would have thought I'd have been afforded better service than I've been getting. However from reading the guy's feedback I am sure that this type of service is not indicative of that which our forum members receive from the likes of LB, JMC, Hustler etc. In fact, I pulled into Southern Quads the last time I was down in Vic, and even though it was a weekend and he was loading up for an event, Pete took time out to have a chat with me and show me around. He will definitely be looking after my ride when we move back down.

Sorry for the vent, and I have moved off my point a little. At the end of the day, even with the great service taken into account, there is no way I would pass up a saving of over $900.00.
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[OZ_450]

nrp77 wrote:

Once again, what dollar value do you put on back up service? Most of the time, I can buy 3 parts from the US cheaper than I can buy one over here, considering the ATV seen is huge in the US (partly I think due to the availability and cost of parts), you would expect the parts to be of a reasonable standard. Look on their forums and see what those guys are buying and recommending. I am all for supporting Australian retailers, but buying smart on the expensive items, leaves me alot of cash in the bank to spend in other areas. You only have to look at a full GYTR graphics kit with gripper seat cover from Yamaha of Troy in the US, $AU117 delivered in 5 days, compare that with $129 just for a gripper seat cover over here. You can't tell me if the ATV suppliers in Australia teamed together and formed a buyers group, that they couldn't bring ATV parts to Australia at a fraction of the cost they do now. It's all about team work and utilising buying power to bring a competitively priced product to the market place. This will intern create a larger end user group, effectively increasing interest in the sport and revenue for the businesses involved It is better to make 30% on a large customer base than 100% on a small one.

lol not being a "profanity removed" but why not go use the overseas forums then if they know more then the riders on this forum
just IMO if ya dont want to support local bussiness why use a aussie based forum lmao bit backward if ya ask me

but thats my 5cents i support locals

just one day hope karma dont come and bite ya back as it ussually does

a small note to remember when the $ does drop do you all expect local bissiness to look after you well and give ya good deals ????
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[nrp77]

Can you please point out to me where I said the riders on overseas forums know more than the guys on this one?

I was saying that when buying from the US, that buyers should look at the US forums as they would be a good source of product and supplier information. Makes sense to me, maybe you see it a different way

Though, your probably right. I should go use the Raptor forum in the US.
But what would be easier is probably just selling my Raptor and going back to 2 wheels. It seems that with attitudes like yours, this sport will remain an over priced niche market with no room for growth.

Just my 5 cents.

[OZ_450]

nrp as i said whatever floats ya boat but i will stick to locals and 2 wheeler stuff as you put it is also alot cheaper in USA so no different if you look at it that way but all good as i said buying local i can ring 2 or 3 suppliers now and get stuff and pay for it later as i am now a trusted customer cant do that with US they would laugh at me lmao haha
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[BENT]

When you look at it, it all comes down to money. Ok, lets agree that everybody has valid points.
Buying local = helps out local dealers so that if you have a drama that you can't fix then you have access to a local shop that can help you out.
Buying USA = spend half the price of local shops and get it just as fast.

But both have also have negative points
Buying local = costs you more and waiting time can sometimes be longer than getting it direct
Buying USA = No local dealer support, which means that if you have a problem part then you have to either buy the same part again or ship broken part to USA to be fixed at your cost.

At the end of the day it is up to the individual. Personally I support local because I came of my quad a couple of month ago and I got a local shop to check the quad over so I didn't miss any broken parts. Don't want to come off again cause I missed something. If there was no one in Queensland then I would have to ship the quad down to a southern shop, have them check it out. Then ship it back cause a shop won't want a quad sitting in there way for a couple of months. Then when I have the cash ship it again and get the quad fixed.
You could always try your luck with a motorcycle chain store, but they are focused on two wheelers and I would rather a quad specialist
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[Prokiwi]

as i said buying local i can ring 2 or 3 suppliers now and get stuff and pay for it later as i am now a trusted customer cant do that with US they would laugh at me lmao haha[/quote]


That part above was really funny ......... is that how we support the local dealers....use their finance arrangements to support our habit. "get it now and pay for it later" .

And we wonder why their prices are so dear .............

Obviously Americans are the bright ones if they 'would laugh at you" if u asked for credit. So would I !.
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[OZ_450]

hmmm read between the lines i am talking if it is a need the part now thing i can get it sent straight away and pay for it next week

but i cant be bothered explaining anymore
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[fossil800R]

OZ_450 wrote:

a small note to remember when the $ does drop do you all expect local bissiness to look after you well and give ya good deals ????

Yes, like everybody else I probably will. Unfortunately for most of us, a lot of the decisions we make these days are based on cost instead of things like loyalty and personal service. While forum members such as yourself have become personally involved with sponsors through club affiliation, racing etc, there are others such as myself who are new to the sport and currently utilise our rides only for weekend pleasure. So paying higher costs for the larger bolt on parts at this stage, for myself anyway, is a no brainer. However, I expect this to change in some part at least as I become more involved in the sport through QRCV membership next year, and utilise either Pete or Adam for my bike servicing. If I am still buying all of my parts O/S after twelve months of their help and advice, then I will be expecting you to come and knock some sense into me. It's good to see loyal and passionate people in any growing sport, it certainly indicates that the sport has every chance of succeeding.
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[yogie]

this same debate is going on at DBW at the moment. I will buy bolt on stuff from the USA anyday, but in case where I've needed "tech" advice, from a local supplier, I've bought from them. I would have to say there only one real local that comes close to giving a fair price against the US sellers IMO, and for that reason I at least say what can you do with this price, then as a consumer I get to make the final descion on how I spend my dollars. MY partner got a full O'neal boots, helmet, pants, top and gloves set for $370 aus on her door from the states in 7 days, cant beat that here... sorry.

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37613
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Shorty Shifter
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rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[nrp77]

Well let us all just be thankful that in this day & age, we all have the advantage of personal choice, and the net only makes it easier.

With the prime mortgage market the way it is in the US and Australia's strong growth, I can't see the dollar going down any time soon, and would not be suprised if it surpassed the US dollar by this time next year.

[OZ_450]

i highly doubt it and good luck with getting ya 2 wheel parts in aussie for same price as the US guys get theres

as seems you already had plans to before ya posted the above statement that it would be easier you already were by your ebay ad
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[nrp77]

I can get my 2 wheel parts cheap, yes. Maybe not as cheap as the US guys, but cheap enough not to bother going to the US for them.

And yes, I had been getting the shitz trying to get parts for my quad so i had been thinking of selling it and decided to stop thinking about it and start doing something about it.

As I said, we all have choices and mine was to sell my quad.

[OZ_450]

all good and good luck with future bikes but remember one thing it is motorsport and no motorsport is cheap whatever way ya look at it
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[nrp77]

thanks for the well wishes, I didnt expect it to be cheap, just more affordable.

[PeteW]

nrp77 wrote:

I don't know why these local suppliers don't use ebay, if only for the exposure. I had so much trouble trying to locate good retailers for ATV parts in the beginning that I almost sold my raptor and went back to 2 wheels. Ebay is an excellent selling tool and should be utilized alot more in the pleasure/recreational type industries like ATV, MX, Skiing etc. I often wonder how many people just say f*ck it and go find something else to spend their money on as I all most did. You only have to look at the responses to this topic to see that people have no idea where to buy from, and thats only the people who have found this forum. Some serious food for thought guys. Look what ebay done for all those "profanity removed" house china bikes. They are every bloody where now!

I agree that ebay here is under utilised but, there is also the fact that posting the majority of your stock on ebay is time consuming when you are also running a workshop, retail frontage and a website already. I know a couple of other ATV shops that are using ebay a little but the thing is that everyone expects to pay less on ebay than if they went to the shop which just doesn't work for ATV businesses here as they are all so small to begin with, we are only 1% of the world market so of course it is harder to sell and keep the stock needed here, also harder to get good buy prices on quality gear for the distributors as there is not the volume of sales generated here to get bulk discounts like the distributors in the US get.

In relation to local businesses, if the local places get no support who will pay for advertising in ATV Action (which is the reason it exists really), who will sponsor all the ATV related events and riders. Without the local ATV businesses here the wouldn't be much going on that was affordable in the way of racing nor would any of the ATV clubs be of any substantial size.
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[nrp77]

I hear ya. Maybe its about time local dealers (kawasaki, yamaha, honda etc), started giving something back. Without dealer backing, I am suprised the sport has progressed this far.

[OZ_450]

yamaha is supporting the nationals this year and i think honda did last year in wa????? not sure on that though
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[PeteW]

Yamaha, Honda and Polaris have all given a fair bit to the sport but the others like Suzuki, Kawasaki and Can-Am could all do with getting involved a bit more. Especially at a local dealer level when it comes to helping support events.
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[OZ_450]

PeteW wrote:

Yamaha, Honda and Polaris have all given a fair bit to the sport but the others like Suzuki, Kawasaki and Can-Am could all do with getting involved a bit more. Especially at a local dealer level when it comes to helping support events.

lol pete dont even go there

i seen how suzuki are giving a pit tent away with every rm 125 , rm250 , rmz250 and rmz450 so i rang said local dealer (you know who) and asked since i bought 2 lt-rs could i get one he said na suzuki wont do it so rang suzuki and asked and they said contact ya dealer cant see why not contacted him again and no go

said cant even get one for smitty

what a joke spend $8000 can have one spend $20000 and ya cant lol wonder if a do a adam change my plastics color will anyone tell what it is
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[nrp77]

Maybe I was a little out of line, and didn't really think the consequences through before creating this thread. I suppose at the time, I had the shits with the near impossibility of finding parts at the right price for my Raptor. Initially, it felt as though everyone was out to rip you off on parts when you own a quad, but I guess as has been stated, it is all based on market demand.

I apologise for my dummy spit, so I hope you guys can forgive.
On another note, I have decided to keep my quad and try to support local businesses (if I can afford it) as I really do enjoy riding the raptor.

Cheers