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[thebigdog]

Gee Danny, with a signature like the one you have, do people mistakenly call you Lenny
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[jumbo danny]

yeah your sort of halve right Lennie wins races and he is a legend me iam just a old fart that's having fun win or loose all the same .
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[triple"A"]

scottydig wrote:

Correct me if I 'm wrong but don't 85cc 2t race against 150cc 4t in the two wheelers !!!!!!!!![Fig.12.16.0.3b] Now that would be a fair class 90 cc 2t / 150cc 4t junior quad class. thanks scotty.

yep and this rule was brought in to suit honda's new 150cc about 3 or 4 years ago

[jumbo danny]

yep and this rule was brought in to suit honda's new 150cc about 3 or 4 years ago[/quote]
and who would police it and then just add 5% dont forget to max it out
yeah right i know where this is going ! LOL

in the most popular 90/110cc so called pro shark class they run CVT / AUTO'S { not a rekluse in a cobra }for those that don't know and some persist to push for full blown geared mx developed engines to be allowed good way to go if you want to make it totally unaffordable and wreck to junior side of the sport and yes cobra's came close to spoiling it

this is my opinion and as for the rule maker how many are non bias to wards brands hey

[michaelh]

Does anyone here have a problem with allowing 125cc 4-stroke to compete in the Junior Class? (besides the rule makers).

We must not all forget that the reason we have Quads in the first place is because of the U.S.A. They have the bigest market by far and therefore dictate what types of Quads are manufactured.

As for affordability, opening up the Junior class to accept 125cc 4-strokes will allow for a broader spread of makes/models and a reduced entry cost, hopefully adding to grid numbers in the process.
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[jumbo danny]

today 125 limit tomorrow 125 plus 5 % then the next day 140 cause they are cheap then the next thing is 155cc cause that all pister pro bring in where does it stop Micheal ?

50cc are to expensive my kid @ 3year old rides a 90 why cant he race it my 12y old rides a 650 and he's good and safe why cant he ride that and so on it goes , i pity the people that have to listen to this, that are on committees such as the NQAC they cop so much grief but at least they have been trying to get some changes passed { not sucking up bullet just facts }stuff above is only fiction does not relate to any one okay no lawyer required its just an example of what goes on hang on lennie rides in vets and he's a pro lets send him packing back to pro's

they already stroke 90cc 2stroke out to 100cc and 120 cc over in the wild west and even here in SA, so called so that they can give a cobra a run where does it stop .
MA don't seem to monitor it its up to the individuals that care Ive first hand seen the cheating and I don't want any part of it, we have rules in place for the safety and insurance reasons people need to stand up and be held accountable safety and fun b4 winning that's what counts for kids as far as iam concerned .

and an other example is like last year a young man was just 3 weeks off of being old enough to ride finke and he probably could of one it if he had ridden it not to take it away from LB or the others that rode ,
rule are there just because we don't like them doesn't me they need changing keep smilling guys the season just about to start lets have some fun first

[triple"A"]

michaelh wrote:

Does anyone here have a problem with allowing 125cc 4-stroke to compete in the Junior Class? (besides the rule makers). We must not all forget that the reason we have Quads in the first place is because of the U.S.A. They have the bigest market by far and therefore dictate what types of Quads are manufactured. As for affordability, opening up the Junior class to accept 125cc 4-strokes will allow for a broader spread of makes/models and a reduced entry cost, hopefully adding to grid numbers in the process.

no i have no problem with it,

[triple"A"]

jumbo danny wrote:

yep and this rule was brought in to suit honda's new 150cc about 3 or 4 years ago

and who would police it and then just add 5% dont forget to max it out
yeah right i know where this is going ! LOL

in the most popular 90/110cc so called pro shark class they run CVT / AUTO'S { not a rekluse in a cobra }for those that don't know and some persist to push for full blown geared mx developed engines to be allowed good way to go if you want to make it totally unaffordable and wreck to junior side of the sport and yes cobra's came close to spoiling it

this is my opinion and as for the rule maker how many are non bias to wards brands hey[/quote]

you know where what is going???????

my statement is correct, the rule change was to accomodate the new honda 150 and coincided with it's release ................. i have no problem with that.

is your reference to cobras directed at me?????
you can rest easy, coz the young fella that's riding it is taking things nice and easy, and if and when he decides he wants to race, he has been instructed to ride at his own comfort level, rear of field if necessary. i don't imagine him to be a mid pack rider till he's in blaster class and maybe not even then.
maybe if you're so concerned for the future of this class, you should lobby for it to be a cvt only class and block cobras out all together, then it could be aptly named the pro shark class, and then have a seperate cobra class, pending numbers. and to accomodate kids that have stock polaris and eton bikes , there could be a non performance enhanced oem class????? no wonder i don't do the junior stuff anymore. come to think of it no wonder i don't do any stuff anymore. it's no longer fun

i remember when the junior classes were run what you brung so long as the cc's mods and age group requirements were adhered to. it used to be fun, and affordable

[michaelh]

Danny, it’s about evolution, not revolution. Let’s not focus on Pitster Pros…………after all, this thread was created with regards to Yamaha’s new 125cc Raptor.

Any cheats will get washed out in the end. If someone was trying to get away with riding a 175cc “whatever� your going to be able to tell the difference on the track……….
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[jumbo danny]

is your reference to cobras directed at me?????

well Kev you asked and the answer is yes you and any other cobra owner that wants to know i have seen it first hand and it not pretty having traded one and seen them in action there is nothing more destructible for kids racing than a cobra in the oem /7 to 9y/o class these quads are in a league of there own, look at side winder your ex partner got OEM pro sharks put into modified 9 to 12 y/o cause they where too quick .

your right about a few things
1 there should be a cvt class that's what they run in the states , ha no one pushed for that here

2 "there could be a non performance enhanced oem class" they tried that then they wanted them wider , lowered , take off the oil injection,stud extensions for the rear wheels , flip over the front wheels, drill the muffler,cut the guards, different handle bars , hi comp head ,total loss stator, different gearing,bigger carby/ if not bore it those --- cant see it ,change internal gear box ratio,different pipe cause the old one rusted out its cheaper ,taller steering stem cause my boy/girl is tall, hi rev CDI AND TO TOP IT OFF LETS BIG BORE IT. stock polaris /eton/proshark my asss Ive seen and heard it all ,its only kids racing bull.

3 affordable talk to me after a season of racing the cobra just the fuel alone is is going to be a killer 100plus octane got spare pistons on order?

Kev one thing i have nothing against your boy coming out more is better for every one and the club
there are more cobras coming and we need to make people aware that they might have to race a class of there own once the geared pro shark get released bet you then all hell will break loose.

how many people bought 125 four stroke quad cause the rules where going to be changed even side winder where told about the new changes that didn't happen.
lesson check it out first .

[jumbo danny]

michaelh wrote:

Danny, it’s about evolution, not revolution. Let’s not focus on Pitster Pros…………after all, this thread was created with regards to Yamaha’s new 125cc Raptor. Any cheats will get washed out in the end. If someone was trying to get away with riding a 175cc “whatever� your going to be able to tell the difference on the track……….

Micheal MA and all the states do not police cheating they simply don't care you can't check some one else bike you can protest and that gets you no where ,no measuring in SA .no license have been handed out to do this i believe clubs should have some one that is capable of sealing engines once measured
fuel testing is a joke they don't allow it to be done at club level members kick up a stink if your not cheating who cares i say.
but directly to the point 125 are out this year again MA need to change the ruling this can be done straight away threw MA if they wanted to .

[triple"A"]

as you say danny, rick tried to have pro sharks as a seperate class coz they smoked the other kids on stock bikes. pro shark rider's parents didnt like that coz they wanted to smoke the less fortunate or wealthy, whichever the case may be, for trophy glory

now that there is a chance that cobras could come along and ruin that parade, you're suggesting there should be a cobra class. hypochrisy at it's finest

when junior numbers were low we stretched a few rules to get kids a ride, to grow the sport by including everyone possible, and we did it under the guise of "demonstration" using the term as loosely as possible.
once numbers were up, and it would have been possible to run more classes, and create a level playing field, the parents of the riders of race ready oem bikes arced up, and made life a misery for volunteers, officials and the controlling body. these people are so intent on living their lives through their kids and in some instances, their allies kids, it's made the whole scene an acidic pit of competitive nonsense. you always state let the kids have fun, but it's only the fortunate ones having optimal pleasure.

when you and the proshark fraternity were faced with the proposition of a pro shark class your comment about the stock eton and polaris riders was that famous comment that they were racing and if they didnt like it they could take up chess. with the shoe on the other foot now, and a cobra may be about to race alongside prosharks, you've changed your tune. perhaps the pro sharkers need to rewind the tape now and take your advise of taking up board games

as for non biased contributions to the potential to improve the rules for juniors, you have a very transparent agenda. and along with your willingness to assume that a reference by me about a two wheeler rule, is the precedent for a push toward cobra glory, you couldnt be further from the truth. the actions and attitudes of the parents involved in juniors , and their associated personel, will be the deciding force as to whether i take Reece and his cobra racing,not whether i think he's gunna smoke the competition. and as i already stated , he's not likely to be a top contender for a while yet, cobra or no cobra

[triple"A"]

i also find it interesting that you've assumed that we will be entering oem class, without knowing the age of the rider. as per your advice lesson to be learned, check it out first lol

[JRE]

Come on guys play nice kids can read too, cheating is poor form no matter what the agenda, and doesnt further the sport. Lets get kids out racing and let them do the battling. Maybe we need to push MA a little harder to enforce the rules they already have ie, fuel, noise, capacity, behaviour, etc. then these issues wont arise.

[triple"A"]

JRE wrote:

Come on guys play nice kids can read too, cheating is poor form no matter what the agenda, and doesnt further the sport. Lets get kids out racing and let them do the battling. Maybe we need to push MA a little harder to enforce the rules they already have ie, fuel, noise, capacity, behaviour, etc. then these issues wont arise.

yeah i'll be in that, fuel noise, capacity, behaviour, lowered shocks ..........

[Drea62]

Hey Danny
What class is your [kid/kids]running in this year ?

[Huskygoat]

Hmmm We are running a Coaching school tomorrow .. After adds in the paper , posters on notice boards and in bike shops (thanks to Sandie for putting them up) and Kev Thomas at WE Sell Fun for some free memberships.......

WE HAVE 16 new kids .. never raced ... Completely green .. Wonder how many of these KIDS can we convert to racers after THE RULES are explained to their Mums and Dads ...

Husky
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[thebigdog]

Gee, I'm so happy there were no juniors when our son started to race. He had to wait till he was 16. There is a lot of bickering in senior racing, but nothing like we see at the Junior levels.
Why can't parents let their kids enjoy what they do, and if they show some talent, great! Let them develop it with riding skills and not horse power. When they become seniors, if they still have talent, they will shine, but if they don't shine, should the enjoyment be taken away because Mum and Dad want their child to WIN. Think about it.
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[ddingo]

Well done Huskygoat for getting that many new rider to a Coaching school.Hope that you can convert some of them.The sport needs new blood.
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[michaelh]

how many people bought 125 four stroke quad cause the rules where going to be changed even side winder where told about the new changes that didn't happen.
lesson check it out first . [/quote]


Danny, in reference to the above, I did not purchase another Quad for my son in the vain hope that the rules would be changed to allow for 125cc’s. After we decided to sell the Pro Shark he needed a replacement Quad, pure and simple. Of course it would have been nice to see the rules modified to allow for a bit of parity in the class though…………

I like the idea of waiting until he’s 16 if that’s what it takes. A lot less petty bickering involved and more affordable too boot. If he’s still into it then I’ll do my best to back him. Enough said.
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[jumbo danny]

Drea62 wrote:

Hey Danny What class is your [kid/kids]running in this year ?

i hope that my grandson will come out on his eton 50

as you said kev " hypochrisy at it's finest"
" CVT verse gear box only in australia "
not a cobra class read what i said or just wait for the geared pro shark then get the rules changed that what seems to be the go.