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[HoleshotQR#24]

Dazz wrote:

Why should the MA be involved with Our sport.... (THEY PROVIDE THE RULES AND PUBLIC LIABILITY INSURANCE TO RUN A COMPETITIVE EVENT... MA IS NEEDED BECAUSE SOCIETY IS FULL OF TOOLS WHO WILL LOOK TO SUE ANYONE, NAMELY AN EVENT ORGANISER, IF THEY INJURE THEMSELVES DURING AN EVENT.) there not involved with 4x4s or buggies .... (MOST EVENTS RACE UNDER CAMS - MA'S EQUIVALENT IN THE CAR RACING SCENE FOR THE SAME REASON) so why should they be involved with quads (INSURANCE AND CONSISTENCY IN RULES FOR COMPETITION - EXCEPT FOR SOCIAL EVENTS RUN BY AFFILIATED CLUBS WHO USE AN MA PERMIT FOR INSURANCE) somthing says we might be better off to distance from them and at the same time keep them on our side (MA ARE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE AND ACCOMMODATING FOR QUADS... YOUR BEEF FOR LACK OF RIDING AREAS LIES WITH YOUR STATES' MOTOR REGISTRAR WHO, IN MOST STATES, WON'T ALLOW QUADS TO BE CONDITIONALLY REGISTERED FOR RECREATION SO THEY HAVE COMPULSORY 3RD PARTY INSURANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE LEGALLY RIDDEN ON PUBLIC LAND.) a national quad associaton should be its own identity with its own set of rules and demands ... not a second thought poor cuz to motorbike club (MAKE SOME CALLS AND FIND OUT JUST HOW EXPENSIVE PUBLIC LIABILITY INSURANCE IS FOR A MOTORSPORT EVENT. THERE IS A LOT MORE TO PUTTING THE GCRS TOGETHER THAN JUST GETTING THEM PRINTED EACH YEAR) i dont care if its got a bloody motobike motor its a quad not a bike......

BEING CRITICAL OF MRS GAITAR WON'T GET YOU FAR... SHE'S DONE MORE FOR PROGRESSING THE SPORT THAN MOST ON THIS FORUM. SHE WAS JUST STATING THE FACTS OF THE ROLE MA PLAYS IN RACING AND WHY WE NEED THEM AS FROM YOUR EARLIER POSTS YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THEIR ROLE
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[47industries]

I think you may be losing sight of just what MA can do for trail riders too.
Not sure if you saw our DVD "Quads Across The Simpson Desert".
That was one hell of a trail ride, that could not have been done without MA. They provided the insurance cover when we could not get rego. MA may seem like an unneccasary evil, but beleive me, they can be very handy if you come into an obstacle when trying to arrange a big organised trail ride like we did. 47industries is affiliated with MA and without this conection we could not do half of what we do. If you can find a better insurance cover, I'm all ears!
Mick@47
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[Huskygoat]

If MA is so great why don't stand up for riders????? Running Juniors in NSW?????

Letting 90cc 2 stroke race against 110 4stoke in the same race... Bit of a joke Mrs G you must admit that.

Some of the biggest clubs in Australia are NOT MA.

Why does MA swing into action and fix the rec rego thing like 2 wheelers???? Don't we as quads pay the same as a bike????

MA boast 350 clubs with ? members???

I think a National body would be a step in the right direction to stand up for quad riders what ever the issue.

Maybe look a US and copy some of their lobby groups

I only Know how NT works and their is 50 rec riders to 1 racer. and they have no voice.

Their is a lot of things I don't like about MA but I'm still a supporter and the Pres of a MA club.

Mrs G says "don't wreck it for us" didn't Don Bradman say that to Kerry Packer about World series Cricket.
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[Mrs_Gaitar]

www.rtra.asn.au

Recreational Trailbike association

Check out this website, they are a new association in WA affiliated with MWA

this is a little bit about them

Other Recreational Trailbike Riders Association Information
The Recreational Trailbike Riders Association of WA (RTRA) has been formed to represent your interests as a responsible recreational trail bike rider. Membership is open to riders of registered or unregistered trail or motocross bikes or quads, regardless of age. RTRA is a not-for-profit Association incorporated in Western Australia under the Associations Incorporation Act. All proceeds and revenues raised by the Association go towards the pursuit of the Association's objectives. Until now, recreational riders – those who prefer to just get out and enjoy riding rather than competing in organised activities – have not had an association through which their interests can be effectively represented. Without this representation we do not have a strong voice in government. And without a strong voice in government we can’t hope to achieve positive change. The Recreational Trailbike Riders Association of WA (RTRA) has been formed to represent your interests as a trail bike rider
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[OUTCAST]

hey husky i think you need to get a life, a tad over opinionated on this forum, what do you do for quads apart from off other people ? i think that goat stands for got old and tired so move on.

[shan660]

i think they may have struck a few nerves. i ride with dazz and understand his frustrations, he has involved his whole family in quad riding and i have 2 , at the moment we do have places we ride, but these are kept secret so we dont meet up with the police or whoever else has the power to move us on or fine us. bottom line is we love quads and we love riding them and we love to challenge our skills on different terrains. it would just be nice to pull up somewhere knowing you are able to enjoy riding tracks in either a state forrest or allocated land. if not for us do it for our kids.

[Huskygoat]

Mrs G that might be what were looking for . thank you

OUTCAST I would like to talk to you.... My number is 0437 294 499
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[shan660]

this could be done an easier way maybe someone or somepeople get in touch with the recreational riders association in wa, and find out how they got to become what they are and what hurdles were put in front of them and how they managed to keep the politics side of things in check so everyone is happy.
or maybe see if they would be interested in becoming the voice for all states of australia. and as dazz has suggested make a national rec riders association. surly if w. a. have done it there is nothing to say that the others states wont. and having w.a. rec riders established already, it surly worth considering.

[Mrs_Gaitar]

Letting 90cc 2 stroke race against 110 4stoke in the same race... Bit of a joke Mrs G you must admit that.

hmm ok.... when here was just suzuki 80s and honda 90's the rule used to be 80cc/90cc then when the 2 strokes went to 90cc.... it was 90cc 2/4 stroke

then it was made fairer by making it 90cc /110cc but obviously times and bikes have changed and no one has asked MA to relook at the sizes and change them.... NQAC before May of each year is a good idea.
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[Huskygoat]

ok I will write a rule change but remember I'm a (really nice person)
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[vjcrose]

You are demonstrating why we need a united front to reforce good things and kick the crap out of the way - so every one has a chance to enjoy our sport in all the ways possible.

A united body will have more influence in correcting what you don't like.
There is no reason that a united front would slap MA for all the good things they have enabled. Perhaps a united front would help you all.

The other day I was told I had a crap attitiude because I could not see any positive in someones suggestion who said fate had a reason for what my family has been through this year. This thread is demostrating that I am not the only person in that "crap attitude" club. congratulations
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[Dazz]

From now on I dont ride QUAD BIKES instead i ride ATV"S there im unified and joined as 1 now in my world ATV racers are ok so are shooters on atvs 4 x 4 atvs and any one else on an ATV ..

Now i am asking all of you to help form a national ATV association that will put forward the needs /wants of us the ATV riders of australia

im sure alot of you are in a position that you can help the cause instead of flapping off statistical nonsense

its about time all these assocations were invited to sit down at the same table and kick this plan into gear

perhaps they could enter a java chat room or simular for a live conferance that would be a real easy way to get the ball rolling....

As for the rest of you that want to kiss ass with any thing else than a dedicated ATV assocation or just stomp your own self importance well you can crawl off back to your bike club or under your rock cause theres just no time for that BS

hows that for appauling.......

[Hudson]

Dazz I'm sorry mate but you really have no idea. You are bagging the people that have made it still possible for you to have somewhere to go to with your idea. Pull your head out of your backside and listen to the answers people are giving you even if they are not the ones you want to hear. You're the one who started the poll aren't you? What's the point if you only want to have people tell you what a great idea you have? Believe it or not but people that are simple minded have kept "ATV's" from having a fair go
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[Linc]

This issue needs to be addressed and I can see why people are getting uptight or even down right aggressive when they see no action in what is their chosen sport.

MA do good........but they are a bigger organisation than most people percieve. They are not the MX and Enduro governing body; they also represent road racing, speedway, trails and rally in all their different forms. They are also the organisation the Federal Government turns too when they need advice. It's my understanding the Fed's underwrite MA's insurance, there is a strong connection between the Fed's and MA. This is not something we want to get rid of.

So whats the problem? at the moment "ATV's" do not have full representation at the national board level of MA. The National Quad Advisory Commitee (NQAC) is a body that is not recognised by MA and only has the ability to recommend changes to the appropriate discipline eg....if we want a change in the rules for ATV's for MX we have to go to the "board of management for MX" and ask them to recommend the change to MA.

The NQAC are a toothless tiger but they are all we have untill we have our own "board of management for ATV's". This board of managment if setup within MA would effectively be a "National Quad Assocation". This of course will lead to many other difficult issues that need addressing.

eg: MX bikes race MX and speedway bikes race speedway; MX and Speedway have their own seperate boards of management. We as ATV riders race both MX and Speedway so what do we do there?.

I suppose I'm just saying that stamping your feet will get us nowhere and only when we have the full story will we be in a possition to make the changes we want for our sport.

Linc

[Huskygoat]

Hudson you been a racer probaly don't see the other side of the fence. Rec rider hunters are not able to take their quad off the dirt road in the hunting reserves now. Not that anybody gives a "profanity removed" but I think this rec rego is a serious problem riding on crown land.

A 4x4 vehicle can go just about anywhere as 2 wheeler as long as they got rego. Mrs G has a good susgustion on group that maybe we could follow. Polictial power comes with numbers Rec Riders are where the numbers are not racers. UTVs like it or are here to stay......

Hang on I gota get a life.
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[shan660]

well now we are getting some where and people are starting to state the facts instead of jumping down peoples throats, now we have a fair idea about how people are feeling, its time we let the powers that be know we are serious about this and we want something done about it . so now its down to who will get the ball rolling and that should be someone respected and influential. i do have one person in mind and i think you all know what he has done for quad racing and riding in australia, so i feel it would be only fair to mention Luke Beechey, i think he fits all these requirements and feel with his contacts in the sport , he would be the one. but this is only a suggestion, you may have someone else in mind, we are all ears.

[mickbundy]

quad boy wrote:

well now we are getting some where and people are starting to state the facts instead of jumping down peoples throats, now we have a fair idea about how people are feeling, its time we let the powers that be know we are serious about this and we want something done about it . so now its down to who will get the ball rolling and that should be someone respected and influential. i do have one person in mind and i think you all know what he has done for quad racing and riding in australia, so i feel it would be only fair to mention Luke Beechey, i think he fits all these requirements and feel with his contacts in the sport , he would be the one. but this is only a suggestion, you may have someone else in mind, we are all ears.

Luke is a great sportsman but remember the starter of the thread doesn't want anyone with racing involved. It was for recreational riders remember
How about the people that brought this subject up and support it put their hands up. Instead of nominating other people to do the work. The way it normally is aye Cheers

[yogie]

its not up to one person but those that join and support this cause, and personally LB would be a great idea for the Qld branch, and you Husky could possibly run the Nt side of..... nah being silly now.



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[shan660]

hey mick you raise a valid point and i for one would love to see this happen . i have spoken to dazz and he is already on to it, basically what i meant by nominating someone influential was to just get a foot in the door of the people that are to be approached over this matter.i woud love to see this happen as i hope many others do , but if no one else is willing to help get this ball rolling then its going to be a lost cause.

[yogie]

Okay dazz what is your plan ??

here's my thoughts.

two reps per state
its a rego system that the assoc is after
one day eventually a natioanl scheme
A licencing system
reconised training of ATV's by reconised trainers ???
targeting and support of sitting member of parliment per state for a Voice.

and the list could go onand on for ever, so what other ideas do we to throw around. and what will your assoc mission statement be ??
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elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[Dazz]

you have thought about this allot yogie... that’s obvious
can you elaborate a little more on your idea
how would you see the revenue from rego / licensing system being used?

if a licensing / rego system is going to be used as a barging chip or to raise money then its got to be CHILD friendly perhaps the idea of a Sub licenses attached to the Parents/Guardians license so kids can enjoy the benefit of a license and 3rd party insurance

We are going to need a committee formed of members from each state dedicated to the pursuit of getting more of our state forests & crown lands opened for atvs to ride
To develop, improve and educate all involved in the sport ...obviously this sits with your idea of targeting and support of sitting Member of Parliament per state for a Voice.
i was told a while ago there is a poli on the sunshine coast that rides trails and has some good ideas i have no idea who he is....
yes the ideas can go on and on ... we need to keep it all simple with a goal of adding the most basic wants of atv riders to get the ball rolling then move on to bigger and better pursuits
but before anything I feel. We need to elect a President - Treasurer - Vice President from the selected reps from each state so someone can start calling the shots....
We are going to need a fund raising committee ... this isn’t going anywhere without cash...
Good reps from each state would be someone from the ATV riders association representing Rec Riders - from Quad industry - Austraco- Hardiman - Can Am ect.... a racer like Husky / Bullet/Beechly ...
i think the 3 are needed to cover all the current disciplines of atv
The mission statement is a hard one so much to choose from but for me the goal is to Develop and Improve the sport for all ATV users....

even those without a reverse ...

[Huskygoat]

As explained to me the other day . and a lot of what he said went over my head .. If we had proper rego for our quads, all our problems would be solved. agreed . Like as in cars and 2wheelers rego means everything. It was also explained to me how this was achieved in europe. Where they drive quads on the road. I think this is where we should have our push and the manufactures would get behind us for sure with funds. Our lobby group as my friend says needs to be 3 people Lawyer Barrister and a checkbook.

Ithink my friend has taken off to Aus safari for a few days but will explain when he gets back.

My view only.. carry on.

Some one like Barry should be part of this with his contacts. and experience.
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[HoleshotQR#24]

It would be worth you guys speaking to Daryl Petch at FOHVA (Federation for Off Highway Vehicles Assocation) as he has already setup the model you are proposing and was implemental in getting Recreational Conditional Rego established in Queensland.

You will have more hope partnering with an organisation like this than starting out from scratch.

July 7, 2005
FOHVA joins forces with MA
http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=July_2005&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=5842

With future access to off-road riding areas under continual threat from government regulation and the locking up of state and private land, an announcement that the Federation of Off Highway Vehicles Australia (FOHVA) had merged with Australia’s premier motorcycling organisation, Motorcycling Australia (MA), will provide some hope for more than half a million off-road motorcyclists.

FOHVA’s strengths in ensuring ongoing access to off-road riding areas and the promotion of off-road tourism will be matched by its bigger partner’s substantial professional and financial clout.

Moreover, the recent unprecedented growth in sales of trail bikes and ATVs has necessitated the need for a united approach in the best interests of all user groups. The alliance between FOHVA and MA aims to achieve better outcomes for recreational motorcyclists across Australia.

The merger was consummated on July 1, 2005, with the Executive Officer of FOHVA, Daryl Petch, agreeing to join MA to manage the non-competitive off-road arm.

“I am very optimistic that Daryl will be able to resolve some of the issues that have recently reduced the number of recreational motorcycle events offered,� said David White, the CEO of MA.

The first event under the recreational off-road banner will be October’s Yamaha Wild Boar ride - http://tribe.yamaha-motor.com.au/

Petch acknowledged those who had supported FOHVA since its inauguration in 2001. He added that existing FOHVA members would have their membership transferred over to a recreational MA membership.
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[yogie]

there' a lot of things that can be done with out $$$ mainly infomation gathering, eg Down here in Vic the push for rec rego has been going on for years, even I trot out a new letter to Vic roads and put different spin but to no avail, and that brings me to my first point on a national rego scheme, ALL STATES REGO BRANCHES must be on board. In Vic the only way a quad gets rego is through certain instances, not hard but a pain all the same. where as in Tsssie, NSW, Qld they actually reconise quads in some form of an other. So there's the first hurdle, Down here I have heard a DSE rep say they would love to get rid of rec rego, because its so cheap and so many bikes running with it, where as full rego bikes make up less than half of the trail bikes rego'd in Vic.
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2005 KFX700
With a few bells and whistles
and the twin yoshi's
American Star A-arms, tie rods
elka stickers
Shorty Shifter
I have a Waco
rossco gave me a flexx sticker
honda thumb
Great at climbing trees
durablue stickers

[Dazz]

well why dont we start taking nominations ... and get the ball rolling

i suggest as presedent yogie as vice president Huskygoat