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[jimmy14]

i would like to congratulate the quad commission on destroying South Australian speedway. First with denying the jnr. 350cc class that was starting to come alive again and for the fantastic 1300mm wide ruling that has now seen numbers deminish down to 4 or 5 riders. You should be real proud of yourselfs cause you have done what you set out to do
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yeah mate nah

[triple"A"]

I've had four attempts at posting a reply here jimmy and had to delete them all, coz i'll get banned from here if I go ahead

[jimmy14]

i know what u mean kev. its a shame that you cant tell the truth on a public forum and not get banned. people need to know that the quad commission is all about themselves and not about the people who enjoy the sport.
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yeah mate nah

[Prokiwi]

Sounds familiar..... heard this all before with Quads in Australia....

Hopefully these guys at MA don't ever go on to any other sports...
Most of them couldn't run a pissup in a brewery !!
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[BARN-6]

i dont know much about jnrs doing speedway but quads at 1300 wide i dont see a problem ,all in nsw follow the ruling and we havent had any problems

[jimmy14]

I've seen a lot of pictures around this big brown land barn of quads racing speedway over 1300mm. And the thing is u should be aloud to race your bike with what u feel comfortable with. I'm sure if you had been racing for over 8 years at Gillman it might be a different story.
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yeah mate nah

[jimmy14]

And also barn on the N.S.W facebook page there is a photo of a fella named Ben on his yfz450r . +2 a arms, lowered and front rims turned around. Pretty sure that's over 1300mm.
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yeah mate nah

[yogie]

Just a reminder that all personal attacks against members here will not be tolerated, and that means if you name a person or group or organisation, that post, or thread will be fixed or removed. I suggest you take this up with MA and leave this forum out of it. I have deleted one post where a member here was named, but the rest will need to cleaned up or the thread will be removed in 24 hours. play nice, and take the crap else where.
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[jimmy14]

hey just speaking the truth on a forum. not a personal attack yogie, just the truth. and lets be real the truth hurts sometimes but that's life. people stuff up something that people are having fun with, they should be held responsible.
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yeah mate nah

[Linc]

With respect all I am seeing from you is personal attack. You may or may not have a valid point but it gets lost when you just vent.

While I see that you disagree with the rule change I personally think there needs to be a rule in place. Run as wide as you want is silly. So the issue is with 1300mm......what width do you think would be adequate with out being overboard?

Make a case and present it.

As far as the Quad Commission goes I have had heated debates with members on this very forum and have made my case without resorting to abuse, you can do it too.

Moving on........why cant you just run super wide on one side and be done with it?

Linc

[jimmy14]

all the guys and girls that quit in S.A this year ran between 1305mm and 1350mm and myself personly ran 1340mm. now most would say that's not much over but consider that we were running a lot of the times 3 wide into corners, awesome close racing and being the only quad speedway riders getting points money for riding, putting on a awesome show for paying spectators. the riders felt comfortable with there quads and that's all we asked for.we where not hurting anyone or taking away from new riders. we where just having fun riding our quads as we have been doing for over 8 years.i love going so sideways that im full opposite lock. I won a state title with my quad 1340mm wide and its the most comfortable way I ride speedway. I don't wont to race with riders who are not comfortable with their quads.its a dangerous sport. try riding in a stadium every week where one wrong decision ends up in carnage.
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yeah mate nah

[armco]

I see nothing wrong with what Jimmy wrote at all, this is a forum and exactly that a forum , this is a democratic country and every one has a right to voice their concerns without been ridiculed for speaking the truth .

[Bake]

The said rule change from a maximum width of 1400mm to 1300mm was to uniform all classes therefore making the sport of quad riding more accessible to all quad riders in any discipline.
However I have not seen any growth in any decipline of quad riding in Aust other than people leaving competive racing and going on there own campaways on private land.
I think M.A should have a good look at where quad riding is heading if they are serious about what quad riders want in Aust.
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[triple"A"]

If you own a harley and are an enthusiast you like to accessorise and bling it up. As with almost all motor enthusiasts quad riders and owners are similar. Restrictions need to exist for racing but stock standard specs are no funat all. Also there's no way aussie accept a dictatoral governance whether it be in politics or sport. And in particular amateur sport

[Tracks]

Seriously some people are acting like children, I don't know many of you, but I've been around quads for awhile.
Can anyone please show me the rule that states their is no quads to be ridden at speedway? As far as I can tell it's only a rule change, get over it people, you can still ride. As for someone stating they used 1340 last year but now can't ride because it's now only 1300 wide max and it's not safe. Are you seriously saying 40mm is the difference between being safe and unsafe.
So I guess no newcomers can come and ride until the shell out for wider a arms and axles because it is unsafe.

As for the other comparison to Harley's, yes you can bling out a harley, but you still have to conform to the road rules whether you like it or not, is that dictatorial? I'd hardly call 1300mm a stock spec, mines been widened from stock and I'm only around the 1200mm mark.

I'm guessing most of the people complaining probably don't actually contribute to quad riding in Aus, they just expect to roll up and ride. I can't imagine the quad commission is a fun job and they can't please everyone.
Do people just need to get over it and deal wih the rule, from a far i don't see it as major issue, if it is well how about giving up your time and go on the commission yourselves and change the rule, but then you would be doing what your accusing people already on the commission of and pushing your agenda.

[snoozin]

Been reading alot of negative things on here and it seems most of it is because of the supposedly powers to be thinking that they know better than the guys at the coalface.
Over the past 6 months I have been slowly getting my sh*t together as in getting a quad, clothes and other bits and pieces to join a club and go racing/riding in a controlled environment instead of mixing with some of the (I'll leave this wording up to the individual) you find at motorcross/outdoor parks.
It seems to me by the conversations here and other social media sites that i have been reading through, that the governing body isnt taking riders/organisers/and others into consideration, which is a little concerning. It seems that they only want certain disciplines of the sport or are hoping that it is a passing phase and will die out. As far as I'm aware Australians love their motorsport whichever discipline and believe that it should be encouraged. I remember when I was a kid, we would all go out on weekends and after school and have a bit of a rev around the local track or on a friendly farmers block and it never did us any harm, now what do kids do? play racing games on platstation, XBox etc, come on!!!.
On the 1300mm wide thing, I dont know much about the differences on dynamics of having it wider or narrower but by my reckoning doesnt it make a machine more stable if it is wider?? so therefore safer. I do understand the need to control classes to try and make it more competitive but shouldn't that be kept for engine modifications. I would really like to see the reasoning behind making a maximum width ruling because I for one can not see whats wrong with a bit of extra width on a quad (of course without going to extremes)
If riders, organisers, track owners, etc are not happy with the nominated governing body, why not form and register a new one, its been done before. Get people that are passionate, understand and have experience about the sport to sit on the panel.
I think i could safely say that I'm not the only person out here thinking about joining a club and going out and having some fun but with all the hype going on is thinking "do I bother". Well I for one am going to bother and still join next year just not sure which form of quad racing, I would like to do both motocross and speedway but finances will probably restrict me from that what with all the different setup gear for each.

Well that my rant and rave done and if you have got this far down then you must be passionate about the sport so dont just sit there, voice your opinion, there is power in voice.

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[muzzgit]

Rules need to be there, you can't avoid it.

Rules change from time to time, you can't avoid it.

Your efforts would be more productive if you became involved with MA directly and see what it takes to put up with people who won't listen, don't care, I just want it my way.

Change your quad to 1300mm and get with the program.

Maybe the rule was changed to inhibit people making mods which may have very negative effects on steering geometry, therefore putting themselves, AND others, at greater risk.
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[jimmy14]

get with the program good on ya muzz. so u dont care about safety?
try racing real speedway and then u can say get with the program
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yeah mate nah

[muzzgit]

Well when you say you won a state title running at 1340mm I figure you'd be good enough to take off 3% of the width of the quad and still be OK.

Lets face it, taking 40mm off and still having 1300mm is three fifths of five eights of stuff all.

If that's the entire basis of your rant then I think you've wasted everyones time.
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[jimmy14]

coming from a person who hasnt raced speedway i just laugh at u.u have no idea about safety in speedway. come down a try it at gillman, u will be suprised. u want people to be confident with there quads cause when u go 3 wide into a corner with a wall pretty close by traveling at speeds aroung 75 to 85 kph everything counts.
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yeah mate nah

[Linc]

jimmy14 wrote:

coming from a person who hasnt raced speedway i just laugh at u.u have no idea about safety in speedway. come down a try it at gillman, u will be suprised. u want people to be confident with there quads cause when u go 3 wide into a corner with a wall pretty close by traveling at speeds aroung 75 to 85 kph everything counts.

So can I assume that your nerfs are out at 1340mm as well...........that's what their there for you know.

Safety, good one.

I ask again, why cant you just run really wide on one side like the rest of the speedway world.

[jimmy14]

well linc sometimes u have to depending on what the track surface is like, is it slick, is it grippy. most of us at gillman are always changing our setups during the race meeting as the night goes on to meet the track surface. you would only understand what we do if u had seen us race, with sometimes 8 quads on the track at once, doing handicapped starts or rolling starts, man u would of been impressed.a lot of quads trying to get to that one spot in 4 laps in average 65 secs. the best sidecars go around with there 1000cc motors in 60-64 secs so we are not going slow.but it was just fun, put on a show for the crowd with a great bunch of guys. if u havent done it u wouldnt know
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yeah mate nah

[Linc]

jimmy14 wrote:

if u havent done it u wouldnt know

What makes you think I haven't done it?........I'm no superstar but I have raced before. Yes 8 quads on a speedway track is sketchy but all racing is.

At the same time there could be an argument that says because there are 8 quads on the track at one time we need to restrict width.

[jimmy14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQCacdtCD9M

everyone has different riding styles but thats what makes it so great. im a 135kg rider, not a superstar either but i love my speedway and i will not change the way i ride. i shouldnt have to. im more pissed off cause it was a personal vendatta against us south australian riders thats all.[/youtube][/url]
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yeah mate nah

[Linc]

jimmy14 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQCacdtCD9M everyone has different riding styles but thats what makes it so great. im a 135kg rider, not a superstar either but i love my speedway and i will not change the way i ride. i shouldnt have to. im more pissed off cause it was a personal vendatta against us south australian riders thats all.[/youtube][/url]

OK, so we are getting somewhere. While the 1300mm rule is an imposition you could live with it if the Quad Commission adopted a more consultative practice........there was no notice just a sort of "here's the new rules, deal with it" kind of attitude......?

I really don't think there was any vendetta.

Do you know that the original rule the Commission recommended was 1270mm?........riders lobbied to have it changed to 1300mm and it was.