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[jumbo danny]

it has started up again here's a list of what i see as a threat to the sport and quading in general it also affects drag racing quads read it and see its from last year and got put in the too hard basket now its started up again with out every body being filled in on how it could effect the future of the sport

the last time this was talked about was 22/07/2010

Response to Quad Advisory Committee Recommendations
Dated 26th and 27th June 2010
From Daniel Penraat Currant MA Licence holder no; 116919
Concern competitor and assistant junior development coach

Item QC015 Rule 22.3.0.4 Current rule, Reducing the capacity of larger Machines to suit the class capacity is not permitted.
QAC recommend removal of this rule.
I am against this recommendation for the following reasons.
- There is no precedent to show this is required, currently there are juniors over 6’ tall riding the currently available machines without any problems.
- The cost of modifying a machine to the reduced capacity in most cases is high. We do not need to increase the cost for junior participation
- How will an official know if the machine is or is not reduced in capacity?
- The addition volunteers needed to police this rule..... Engine measurers each meeting?
- When 10 x 200/300cc machines are on the start line and a reduced capacity 450 turns up next to them and wins, next round there will be 5 x 450 machines on the start line which may or may not be reduced in capacity or reduced sufficiently. This rule is unnecessary and too hard to police without extra volunteers which are hard enough to get now.
- This will allow a junior (within the age range of the class) of any height and weight to ride a larger heavier machine.
Item QC017 Rule 22.4.1 Current Rule, When in junior competition, the words OEM Standard are used, all machines must be OEM machines with no modifications.
QAC recommend alterations to this rule. When in junior competition the words OEM, Standard or Rec are used, all quads must be OEM machines with no modifications. OEM type engine replacement accepted (or other standard parts). Any engine or part must be a direct bolt in replacement utilising standard engine mounts.
I am against this rule for the following reasons,
- There is no precedent showing this will advance or improve the sport.
- This will make it even harder for an official to recognise an OEM machine. It allows a different engine to be installed as well as “other standard parts� I could install a reduced capacity 450 engine into a 90cc OEM machine utilising the standard engine mounts and it will still be classed as an OEM machine?
- The OEM machines frame is designed and approved for that machines engine only.
- Having a 90cc machine fitted with a 125cc engine and/or “other parts� is not an OEM machine, again too hard to police, How will an official know what is OEM or modified?
- This is an OEM class and should be left as an OEM class.
- The min entry level 2 wheeler is no longer an Yamaha PEE WEE 50cc the sport has evolved and after the lems ,husky boys and the KTM’S people in the sport have excepted them and we all have moved on for the better of the sport and it has become much better.




- This proposed rule change also contradicts the proposed rule change QC019 where it state a “Rec machine modified for competition� this proposed rule QC017 states “Where the word Rec is used all quads must be OEM machines with No modifications. Proposal 019 says a Rec machine can be modified Proposed rule 017 says it can’t?


Item QC018 and QC019, Rule 22.4.1, QAV recommend new rule 22.4.1.5 Where in junior competition the word “Rec� is used all machines must comply with or equivalent to SVIA standard category 10+ ATV where the maximum unrestricted speed must be 30 mph (48km/hr) or less. All quads must be standard quads built and marketed for recreational riding and strictly be in OEM specification as per 22.4.1.4
And new rule 22.4.1.6 Where in junior competition “comp� is used modifications are allowed Quads can be either OEM race ready type machines or Rec machines modified for competition.

I am against both these new rules for the following reasons
- as stated above at the age of 4 a child on a 50cc KTM WOULD BE FASTER
This is allowed under the current rules
- There have been no known major incidents involving juniors.
- Juniors abilities have increased with the times and with the safer better handling machines EG; race proven APEX Pro Sharks the biggest field of quads out there to date !
- Rec bikes are in the minority due to their instability and high cost to make them equal to what is out there to date .
- Rec machines are just that, made for recreational riding. They are nowhere near as safe, stable and hardy as a machine designed for the task.
- Most Rec bike manufacturers clearly state the machines are not to be raced nor ridden by anyone under 12 years of age. This should not be promoted as safe. A child or a parent come out and watch an event and see a recreational machine being raced, jumped etc and then go home and expect their Rec machine to be able to do the same.
- The proposed rule, amongst other things, states a speed restriction, this will again require additional trained volunteers and equipment to police this proposed rule. There is no explanation on how this will be measured or policed. There for it shouldn't’t happen
- These 2 proposed rules fails to cater for modified race ready machines
- Cost factor is not an issue, the cost of a reasonable recreational machine fitted with the necessary safety requirements such as Nerf bars, kill switch, wheel spacers etc all just to make them ride able compared to the cost of a race ready machine which are designed and fitted with this equipment is almost comparable.
- Example, Honda TRX90 New $4600.00, Nerf Bars - fitted, Kill switch $60 fitted, wheel spacers $250.00, MX tyres (machine comes fitted with balloon tyres from new) $400.00 Minimum total $5310.00 this is still a recreational single A arm basic machine. A new MXR Pro Shark $5750.00. Nerf Bars - Fitted, Kill Switch - fitted, wheel spacers - not required, MX tyres - fitted. Dual A arms - fitted. Total $5750.00. For less than $500 you would have a far safer, better handling machine for a junior to ride and learn. Cost should not be a factor when it comes to safety.
- Why should cost be a factor over the junior’s safety? Safety should be number one and race ready machines are safer. Juniors should be trained on safe race ready machines.
- there are more than one brand of race ready quads out there however the APEX Pro Shark seems to be the most complete package on the market and safest quad that I ever ridden
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Item QC020, QRC proposed new rule 22.6.6.1 (c) No person when standing on the machine has less then 100mm clearance between the machine seat and the seat of their pants may compete in any junior competition.

I disagree with this proposal for the following reasons.

- This is discriminatory to shorter people.
- A person or juniors height has nothing to do with their ability to ride a machine.
- Another item which is difficult to both measure accurately and to police
- There is no definition of “the seat of their pants�
- There would be easy ways for anyone to overcome this, undercutting the seat, raising foot pegs, larger soles on boots, all have nothing to do with ability to ride/handle a machine.
- If the concept is that smaller people cannot handle the machine this is not the way to measure it, ability has nothing to do with ones stature.
- What about ones physical strength to handle the machine, height has nothing to do with ones physical strength.

Item QC024, Rule 22.6.4 current rule, Junior 12 – 16y/o 350cc 4 stroke and 200cc 2 stroke race together,

QRC proposed, Junior 12 – 16y/o 350cc 4 stroke and 200cc 2 stroke race together, 350cc 4 stroke under MA study

I disagree with this rule for the following reasons
- 350cc 4 strokes have now been under MA study for 12 months this should be long enough to assess the viability.
- There is to bigger performance difference between a 200cc 2 stroke and a 350cc 4 stoke.
- The 350cc 4 stoke machine is considerably heavier than the smaller machines and for a 12y/o that generally is too heavy to handle safely.
- There are very few 350cc machines currently in use and therefore should be stopped before people purchase these machines and find they may not be able to use them in the future.
- These machines are already being modified to go faster and are being wide beyond the spec in other word I believe they are out of control.

Item QC026, Rule 22.6.6 Classes.

I disagree with the proposed classes for the 5y/o to under 13y/o for the following reasons,

- There have been no known major incidents involving juniors.
- Juniors abilities have increased with the times and with the safer better handling machines
- Rec bikes are in the minority due to their instability.
- Rec machines are just that, made for recreational riding. They are nowhere near as safe, stable and hardy as a machine designed for the task.
- Most Rec bike manufacturers clearly state the machines are not to be raced nor ridden by anyone under 12 years of age. This should not be promoted as safe. A child or a parent come out and watch an event and see a recreational machine being raced, jumped etc and then go home and expect their Rec machine to be able to do the same.
- The proposed rule, amongst other things, states a speed restriction, this will again require additional trained volunteers and equipment to police this proposed rule. There is no explanation on how this will be measured or policed.
- These proposed rules fails to cater for modified race ready machines
- Cost factor is not an issue, the cost of a reasonable recreational machine fitted with the necessary safety requirements such as Nerf bars, kill switch, wheel spacers etc all just to make them ride able compared to the cost of a race ready machine which are designed and fitted with this equipment is almost comparable.
- Example, Honda TRX90 New $4600.00, Nerf Bars - fitted, Kill switch $60 fitted, wheel spacers $250.00, MX tyres (as machine comes fitted with balloon tyres from new) $400.00 Minimum total $5310.00 this is still a recreational single a arm basic machine. A new MXR$ Pro Shark $5750.00 Nerf Bars - Fitted, Kill Switch - fitted, wheel spacers - not required, MX tyres - fitted. Dual A arms - fitted. Total $5750.00. For less than $500 you would have a far safer, better handling machine for a Junior to ride and learn. Cost should not be a factor when it comes to safety.
- Why should cost be a factor over the juniors’ safety? Safety should be number one and race ready machines are safer. Juniors should be trained on safe race ready machines.

I agree with the part rule relating to water cooled 200cc 2 stroke/300cc 4 stroke being deleted

Item QC030, Rule 22.5.1 Classes.

I disagree with the 50cc and 90cc class alterations for the following reasons,

- There have been no known major incidents involving juniors.
- Juniors abilities have increased with the times and with the safer better handling machines
- Rec bikes are in the minority due to their instability.
- Rec machines are just that, made for recreational riding. They are nowhere near as safe, stable and hardy as a machine designed for the task.
- Most Rec bike manufacturers clearly state the machines are not to be raced nor ridden by anyone under 12 years of age. This should not be promoted as safe. A child or a parent come out and watch an event and see a recreational machine being raced, jumped etc and then go home and expect their Rec machine to be able to do the same.
- The proposed rule, amongst other things, states a speed restriction, this will again require additional trained volunteers and equipment to police this proposed rule. There is no explanation on how this will be measured or policed.
- These proposed rules fails to cater for modified race ready machines
- Cost factor is not an issue, the cost of a reasonable recreational machine fitted with the necessary safety requirements such as Nerf bars, kill switch, wheel spacers etc all just to make them ride able compared to the cost of a race ready machine which are designed and fitted with this equipment is almost comparable.
- Example, Honda TRX90 New $4600.00, Nerf Bars - fitted, Kill switch $60 fitted, wheel spacers $250.00, MX tyres (as machine comes fitted with balloon tyres from new) $400.00 Minimum total $5310.00 this is still a recreational single a arm basic machine. A new MXR$ Pro Shark $5750.00 Nerf Bars - Fitted, Kill Switch - fitted, wheel spacers - not required, MX tyres - fitted. Dual A arms - fitted. Total $5750.00. For less than $500 you would have a far safer, better handling machine for a Junior to ride and learn. Cost should not be a factor when it comes to safety.
- Why should cost be a factor over the juniors’ safety? Safety should be number one and race ready machines are safer. Juniors should be trained on safe race ready machines.
- The proposed new rules allow for a 125cc 4 stroke machine, this will give too much performance difference between the 2 stroke and the 4 stroke, there is no power performance curves provided to prove the increase in cc for a 4 stroke is required for power compatibility.

Item QC031, Rule, new section,

I disagree with parts of the proposed rule in relation to the Jumbo’s class for the following reasons,

- Engine cases to be OEM or OEM type, this is a fun class it should remain as such, allowing different engine’s and cases will only increase cost and reliability.
- Again by allowing different engines and cases will require additional engine measurers put additional strain on existing officials trying to determine machine eligibility.
- OEM should remain as OEM. Mixing engine parts is difficult to police, allows opportunity for breaking rules.
- The proposed new rules allow for a 125cc 4 stroke machine, this will give too much performance difference between the 2 stroke and the 4 stroke, there is no power performance curves provided to prove the increase in cc for a 4 stroke is required for power compatibility.

Item QC034 and item QC039, Rule 22.6.4 and 22.6.6 respectively Revised classes.

I disagree with parts of this proposed rule for the following reasons.

- There have been no known major incidents involving juniors.
- Juniors abilities have increased with the times and with the safer better handling machines
- Rec bikes are in the minority due to their instability.
- Rec machines are just that, made for recreational riding. They are nowhere near as safe, stable and hardy as a machine designed for the task.
- Most Rec bike manufacturers clearly state the machines are not to be raced nor ridden by anyone under 12 years of age. This should not be promoted as safe. A child or a parent come out and watch an event and see a recreational machine being raced, jumped etc and then go home and expect their Rec machine to be able to do the same.
- The proposed rule, amongst other things, states a speed restriction, this will again require additional trained volunteers and equipment to police this proposed rule. There is no explanation on how this will be measured or policed.
- These proposed rules fails to cater for modified race ready machines
- Cost factor is not an issue, the cost of a reasonable recreational machine fitted with the necessary safety requirements such as Nerf bars, kill switch, wheel spacers etc all just to make them rideable compared to the cost of a race ready machine which are designed and fitted with this equipment is almost comparable.
- Example, Honda TRX90 New $4600.00, Nerf Bars - fitted, Kill switch $60 fitted, wheel spacers $250.00, MX tyres (as machine comes fitted with balloon tyres from new) $400.00 Minimum total $5310.00 this is still a recreational single a arm basic machine. A new MXR$ Pro Shark $5750.00 Nerf Bars - Fitted, Kill Switch - fitted, wheel spacers - not required, MX tyres - fitted. Dual A arms - fitted. Total $5750.00. For less than $500 you would have a far safer, better handling machine for a Junior to ride and learn. Cost should not be a factor when it comes to safety.
- Why should cost be a factor over the juniors’ safety? Safety should be number one and race ready machines are safer. Juniors should be trained on safe race ready machines.
- The proposed new rules allow for a 125cc 4 stroke machine, this will give too much performance difference between the 2 stroke and the 4 stroke, there is no power performance curves provided to prove the increase in cc for a 4 stroke is required for power compatibility.
- In relation to class Junior 12 -15y/o 300cc 4 stroke – 200cc 2 stroke comp.
- A) 350cc 4 strokes have now been under MA study for 12 months this should be long enough to assess the viability.
- B) There is to bigger performance difference between a 200cc 2 stroke and a 350cc 4 stoke.
- C) The 350cc 4 stoke machine is considerably heavier than the smaller machines and for a 12y/o that generally is too heavy to handle safely.
- D) There are very few 350cc machines currently in use and therefore should be stopped before people purchase these machines and find they may not be able to use them in the future.
- E) The section on OEM carburettor to header pipe, there is no explanation as to why this restriction, there are no known reasons why this would be restricted for speedway events?
- Classes 12 to under 16 agreed.



sorry about this being so long but it need more consoltation and nutting out , way too many changes and no policing now how much more worce will it get
my thoughts only , sit back and let it happen well at least i can say told you so cheers danny

[bullet]

Danny you can not sit back and say "i told you so"

From reading your post above, it is clear that you have based most of your incorrect statements and assumptions on poor or outdated information.
All of the issues that you have touched on have been considered along with many other 'real' concerns from all over the country.
I can see that you have simply cut and paste old inaccurate information that is now out of date and even more incorrect.
You appear to have misinterpereted much of the original early consultation and in many cases you are expanding and promoting your incorrect view of that information, with poor or unrelated examples.
All you are achieving here is deliberately publically mis-informing a section of our quad community with nonsense.

You should remove this post, or at least delete the majority of it and only leave the skerrick that might reasonably be relevent.

If you have any real questions, please ask your State NQAC Delegate directly, and your concerns will be answered to the best of their ability.

If you are not happy with the response you get, you should contact MA's Communications Manager, Ross Martin directly on (03) 9684 0504 or email ross@ma.org.au
Ross will be pre-informed of this post.

MA's Operations Manager is finalising any work on the Quad section of the GCR's for the Board of MA. There is no public statement available on this topic to date.
Amongst the many other ways this type of information would be appropriately distributed, any such statement will also be announced on this forum as soon as it is available.
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[Barney]

I think to cut and paste such a long winded statement is not bringing your point across at all, , i second bullet on his remarks call the relevant body and discuss it with them
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[jumbo danny]

if the information is out dated so tell me what has been put forward by the NQAC then?
also why haven't the clubs ,riding community been asked for input , or even consulted on this matter of proposed rule changes
by the way who's on the NQAC and representing the quad community then?

as you stated real concerns from all over the country ?

the above post is related to the proposed changes that the NQAC put forward back in July last year and that my response to it sent back then to Ross Martin .
I will not sit back and wait and see new rules being put forward and passed, just like the 350cc ruling for junior speedway quads ,even the water cooled issue still hangs around .

rules need to be clear and not open for interpretation and should be able to be clarified by some one in the know. not just the NQAC , MA make and police rules the NQAC only advise .
regards Danny

[bullet]

Seeing as you have posted a few relevent questions instead of a mountain of cr@p...
Now i can have a go at answering them.

Firstly, the areas of concern you have mentioned are both recommended changes.
1. the 350cc Junior class is recommended to go back to 300cc.
2. the Junior water cooled / air cooled split is also recommended to be removed.

In the first half of 2010, the NQAC recieved suggestions for rule changes from all over the country and consolidated them into 43 recommendations on the 27th June 2010. Carry over problem areas from 2009 were our obvious starting point.
MA released these minutes on the 9th July for comment by the 23rd of July.
The last comments that i saw accepted, went through on the 30th July.
Really, input from all over the country was discussed right up until the NQAC's next MA facilitated meeting on the 30th August. Many late comments were taken, and rightly so. If the process is essentially still open, why not grab the latest information just because you can. You might remember the Yamaha 125 was born in the middle there somewhere.

This consultation round saw the 43 recomendations significantly change with modifications and a few removed down to 41 in total. Of course not all of those are rule changes and there are much bigger issues like National Quad Registration, Venue standards, etc etc.

MA finalised minutes of this meeting on the 2nd Sept. The board recieved the previous minutes for information in August, and now needed to act on the latest recommendations.
Their meeting schedule had been hectic and Quads were left off the radar until December.
Minutes of that December meeting deferred the Quad rules to the first meeting in 2011; February.

of the 41 recommendations, MA staff have been primarily focussed on those that effect the GCR's. From that, i deduce that is what the Board will be looking at this month.

All of the minutes of any MA meeting are available on their website http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=125

NQAC delegates are:

Darrell Knight (Chair) SA
Craig Schneider. Qld
Len Pipiciello. NSW
Dean Merrylees. WA
Martin Stone. NT
Adam Siemensma. Vic
Isaac Lawrence. Tas.

"MA make and police rules the NQAC only advise"... I'm glad you understand. NQAC has the word 'Advisory' in the middle of it Danny. We already knew that.

I think we all agree with your point on making the rules as clear as possible. Keeping them simple would be nice too, but it is very hard to achieve both.

To pop up now, your original post is plain old Daniel Pennrat misleading rubbish.
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[just doin it]

thanks bullet , fair- dinkum jumbo
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[Huskygoat]

Bullet can you post the rule changes and recomemded changes... Just being searhing that site and its not clear what NQAC has advised?

Husky
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[bullet]

I just went and had a look to see if i could find the latest recommendations on the MA site Husky. And i could not find them either. MA are not supposed to operate like a secret society and this information should certainly be publically available.
I asked the question, can we get them put up, and it apears that none of the minutes of any of the second meetings of the board are ever put up. I guess it is normally not such a problem because the Board usually process the relevent advisory groups second lot of minutes relatively quickly, and the following Board Report would cover the information.

In our case, we didn't exactly receive paramount attention.
In the meantime, i will try and place a pdf version i have up here.
Just gotta work out how to do it.
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[topender]

so the way jumbo danny reads it could be right ??

[Rotax46]

There will be a copy of the latest proposals on the SA web site www.dualroost.com.au have a read, print it out, you can then decide for yourself if you agree or disagree. Do read it, as it is in the interest of the sport.

If you feel strongly about any of the proposals send your comments into your MA board member, its the only way you will know the board will see and hear your comments. Otherwise it will just sit on someone's desk or in the too hard basket and the board will not see it or know your comments.

If you want to comment on these proposed rule changes do it now. The Board meet next week and can change the direction of our rules if you dont speak up.
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[pyjamas]

will post on Dual Roost tomorrow
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Link to NQAC Recommendations to Board of MA (finalised Sept 2)
Please note, that not all of these are being presented at the Feb meeting.

http://www.dualroost.com.au/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=157&view=viewdownload&catid=1&cid=11

Thanks to Pyjamas for throwing them on QRASA site.
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[jumbo danny]

well from my point of view junior quad racing is going to be taken back wards well done NQAC !

that's only my opinion time t call it quits with junior development for me
too hard

[Todd 127]

SO...... can i stick a yz250f or any 250 four stroke engine in a raptor 250 ??

[cammoquad]

the new rules are going to make junior racing very interesting
my Interpretation of new rules for junior comp
get a honda trx90 (yes i do own 1)fit a 125cc barrel piston head (same mounting as stock barrel)
then modify engine increase valves etc
fit elka shocks all round
a-arms ,swing arm +?
basically modify it however i choose build a rocket which some parents will and launch there child into orbit

i dont understand how this makes it safer for my child

love to know who is going to police all the new rules
This is only my interpretation maybe i have mis understood the new rules but im sure this will be clarified if im wrong
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[pro shark]

Todd, i hope this was a typo , as you can do that , as the new rules have eliminated jnr oem frame and cases in what undermines the hole purpose of the intended rules. seems as you can put whatever you like into the frame as long as it complies with the cc category .
thanks darell well done

[badngood]

so a full blown yz 250 taken out to 310 stroker motor from the usa to fit into say a 300 ex frame is now legal to race here????????????

[Todd 127]

badngood wrote:

so a full blown yz 250 taken out to 310 stroker motor from the usa to fit into say a 300 ex frame is now legal to race here????????????

Looks like it, get yourself a nice chromoly trx250 frame or any adult quad and jam in any 250 engine.

No different to the pro shark that's coming out.

[Rotax46]

This has just put Junior Quad racing back 4 + years.

Put the young kids out on recreational farm bikes which are unsuited for racing and dangerous, make it into a rocket after throwing tons of money at it and away you go.

Also now added another few thousand dollars to the 200/300 class to compete.

Well done NQAC. Why didnt you just ban anyone under 16 from riding it would have achieved the same result.

Good to see the Pro class receive nearly 2 years grace period with minimal changes to comply and the kids get nil.

What do those racing on Sunday have to say now many of thier machines are no longer suitable for the class they competed in only a few weeks ago at round one?.

Totally *Profanity Removed* it up guys.

If anyone has an issue with these rules contact your club President and ensure the club contacts MA urgently to get this latest changes withdrawn. We need a united front to show MA we do not agree with the NQAC ideas.
If the President doesnt, do it direct. The more people that complain the more chance of someting happening. PM me if you have any issues.
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[pro shark]

the apex motor 250 is very different to , as you say banging a motor in a trx 250 frame. complete atv other than the motor is apex . no different to a Polaris with a ktm or fuji motor .

[ddingo]

Well I am after a yzf250f motor for my rapator.This is going tobee interesting
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200119 MANUAL OF MOTORCYCLE SPORT 22 quads
22.1 Protective Clothing – QUADS
22.1.0.1 Protective clothing and requirements
are as provided in the discipline specific
sections of the GCRs, clothing for Hill
Climb, Motokhana, Drifting and non
speed related bitumen events must
be as per specified in GCR 20.1. In
addition all quad competitors must
wear commercially manufactured
body armour.
22.2. FOOTWEAR IN PITS
22.2.0.1 Closed footwear must be worn in the pit
area at all times.
22.3 Frames and Parts - Quads
22.3.0.1 A quad must have:
a) 4 wheels,
b) A wheel at each corner of the machine,
c) The front wheels must be used for
steering and the rear wheels for
driving,
d) A maximum overall width, including
the rear tyres of 1400mm 1270mm
(50 inch),
e) A maximum wheel base of 1500mm,
f) There must be a seat for 1 person,
g) The rider must straddle the seat,
h) A chain guard as per GCR 12.8.8,
i) A frame [Nerf Bar] between the front
and rear wheels which must:
i) Be of closed loop design,
ii) Not extend beyond a point
of the widest dimensions of
the vehicle, measured with
a straight edge touching the
outside of the front and rear
tyres,
iii) Constructed to prevent the
riders feet from going below
the bars (material webbing is
acceptable),
iv) Be bolted or welded to the
frame,
v) Be close enough to the front
and rear wheels to prevent
locking together of competitors’
machines,
vi) Have no sharp, protruding
tubing either open ended or
capped or open end tubing.
j) A self closing throttle,
k) An engine cut-out switch, of lanyard
type attached to the body,
l) Effective brakes on all wheels,
m) Handlebars, rubber hand grips,
handlebar levers and number plates,
n) Noise emissions of no more than
94/96 dB(A) as measured in GCR
12.10. depending on the discipline,
o) No sharp or protruding extremities,
p) Glass, mirrors and headlights
removed.
22 QUADS
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22.3.0.2 Mudguards which:
a) Must be fitted over the rear wheels,
b) May be fitted over the front wheels.
22.3.0.3 All Junior quads must retain OEM engine
cases and frames.22.3.0.4 Reducing the capacity of larger machines
to suit the class capacity is not permitted:22.3.1 T yres- Quads
22.3.1.1 Rear tyres may be prescribed in the SR.
22.4 E ngines - quads
22.4.1 C apacities - Quads
Note: From January 1, 2013 the
Senior Pro Class/s will be titled
Pro450 where capacity will be limited
to 450cc 4 stroke or 350cc 2 stroke
with no oversizing tolerance. Where
the class name ‘Pro450’ is used, these
capacities and no oversizing tolerance
apply.
22.4.1.1 The maximum engine capacity for a
2-stroke engined quad shall not exceed
550cc, and be no more than 2 cylinders.
22.4.1.2 The maximum capacity for a 4-stroke
engined quad shall not exceed 700cc
and be no more than 2 cylinders.
22.4.1.3 The actual engine capacity of a machine
competing in a capacity class is not
to exceed the prescribed capacity for
that class by more than 5% with the
exception of the 450cc 4 strocke class
and the 350cc 2 stroke class where
no engine displacement increase
tolerance is allowed.
22.4.1.4 Where in Junior competition, the words
OEM standard or Limited are used,
all quads must be OEM machines with
no modifications. OEM type engine
replacement accepted (or other
standard parts). Any engine or part
must be a direct bolt in replacement
with identical engine mounting points
and using standard OEM frame engine
mounts.
22.4.1.5 Where in Junior competition
“Limited� is used, all machines must
comply with, or be equivalent to SIVA
standard, category Y-10+ATV where
the maximum unrestricted speed
must be 48kph (30mph) or less. All
quads must be standard quads built
and strictly be in OEM specification
as per 22.4.1.4.
22.4.1.6 Where in junior competition “Comp�
is used, modifications are allowed.
Quads can be either OEM “race ready�
type machines or Limited machines
modified for competition use.
22.4.2 RI DER AND MACHINE IDENTIFICATION
- QUADS
22.4.2.1 Number plates are to:
a) Comply with GCR 12.6 To display
numbers in contrasting Black on
White colours with a minimum
size of 125mm height and 20mm
width of stroke,
b) Be mounted centrally at the front
and rear of the machine.
c) Not necessary for racing such as
Speedway where helmet colours
are worn.
22.4.2.2 For all MX competitions and any
other event that the Supplimentry
Regulations specifically select this
rule, no competitor may compete unless
wearing the machine identification
number on his or her back in contrasting
colours and with a minimum size of
125mm height and 20mm width of stroke.
22.5 Fuel - quads
22.5.0.1 Fuel for all machines must:
a) Be Unleaded, and
b) Be no more than 100 RON, and
c) Contain no additives other than
those added at the point of
manufacture except for lubricating
oil for 2-stroke engines, and
d) Be readily available from retail petrol
pumps within Australia, or
e) Be a brand of fuel homologated by
MA that is compatible with the “Fuel
Quality Standards Act 2000�
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22.6 C lass es and age groups -
quads
22.6.1 Quads - Motocross and Club Level
Racing
JUNIOR CLASS(ES) RACING
50cc STD Limited No suspension
50cc STD Limited With suspension
90cc 2-stroke Limited
Standard.
110cc 4-stroke Limited
Standard.
Race Together
90cc 2-stroke Comp
Modified
110cc 125cc 4-stroke
Comp Modified
Race Together
200cc 2-stroke Comp
Modified Air Cooled
300cc 4-stroke Comp
Modified Air Cooled
Race Together
200cc 2-stroke Modified
Water Cooled
300cc 4-stroke Modified
Water Cooled
Race Together
Open 2-stroke Modified,
(max capacity 550cc)
Open 4-stroke Modified,
(max capacity 700cc)
Race Together
SENIOR CLASS(ES) RACING
Pro Skill Based
Open
Intermediate Skill Based
Clubman Skill Based
Woman
Production
Vets 35+
Masters 45+
Jumbos
22.6.1.1 Pro
Australian Championship Class.
Championship status can only be
awarded if 8 or more riders start
in the event. Race duration for
Championships - 15 minutes plus 1
lap. Riders cannot enter any other
race class at the same event. Event
promoters can only offer either Pro or
Open (either one class per event).
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22.6.1.2 O pen
R iders cannot enter any other race
class at the same event. Race duration
for Championships 12 minutes plus
1 lap. Event promoters can only offer
either Pro or Open (either one class per
event).
22.6.1.3 I ntermediate
Australian Championship Class.
Championship status can only be
awarded if 8 or more riders start in the
event. This is a skill based class for
experienced riders. Race duration for
Championships - 12 minutes plus 1 lap.
22.6.1.4 C lubman
T his is a skill based class for beginner
riders. Recommended race duration - 4
laps.
22.6.1.5 Woman’s
Australian Championship Class.
Championship status can only be
awarded if 8 or more riders start
in the event. Race duration for
Championships - 10 minutes plus 1 lap.
22.6.1.6 Production
Standard, OEM as available through
Australian Dealer network. Machines
must satisfy 22.3.0.1
R iders choice of:
a) Tyres to same specified
dimensions as OEM fitment.
b) Handle bar grip replacements to
OEM style.
c) Lubricants and fluids
d) Decals and sign writing
e) Drive chain and gearing changes
allowed
f) No other modifications allowed.
R ecommended race duration - 5 laps.
22.6.1.7 V ets
Australian Championship Class.
Championship status can only be
awarded if 8 or more riders start
in the event. Age group 35+ years.
Race duration for Championships
either 4 laps or over 8 minutes in
time.
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22.6.1.8 Masters
Australian Championship Class.
Championship status can only be
awarded if 8 or more riders start
in the event. Age group 45+ years.
Entrants can only enter either Vets or
Masters in any event. Race duration for
Championships either 3 laps or over 6
minutes in time.
22.6.1.9 Jumbos.
90cc 2 stroke and 125cc 4 stroke
Sub-Classes:
a) Jumbo:
i) Frame OEM
ii) Engine cases OEM or OEM
type (must be direct bolt on in
replacement utilising standard
engine mounts)
b) Outlaw
i) Sub class not scored
ii) Change of engine type allowed
iii) Jumbo class engine capacity
limit only.
Sub classes run together and may be
scored separatly if minimum of 3 riders
in each class.
R ecommended race duration - 3 laps.
22.6.2 Quads - Stadium Classes (Arena
Cross)
O pen engine capacities as per 22.4.1.1
and 22.4.1.2
CLASS(ES) RACING
Open 2-stroke Modified,
(max capacity 550cc) Race Together Open 4-stroke Modified,
(max capacity 700cc)
22.6.3 Quads- Dirt Track Classes
O pen engine capacity as per 22.4.1.1
and 22.4.1.2
CLASS(ES) RACING
Open 2-stroke modified
(max. capacity 550cc)
Open 4-stroke modified Race together
(max. capacity 700cc)
450cc single cylinder
4-stroke Race together 300cc single cylinder
2-stroke.
22.6.4 Quads- Speedway
CLASS(ES) RACING
Open Outlaw Senior
451cc to 700cc 4-stroke
Open Outlaw Senior Race together
351cc to 550cc 2-stroke
Pro Senior
450cc 4-stroke Race together* Pro Senior
350cc 2-stroke
Junior 12 to 15 years
350cc 4-stroke Race together Junior 12 to 15 years
200cc 2-stroke
Junior 9 to U13 years
110cc 4-stroke modified Race together* Junior 9 to U13 years
90cc 2-stroke modified
Junior 7 to 10 years
110cc 4-stroke OEM Race together Junior 7 to 10 years
90cc 2-stroke OEM
Junior 9 to 12 years
110cc 4-stroke OEM Race together* Junior 9 to 12 years
90cc 2-stroke OEM
Junior 7 to 9 years
50cc Auto and Semi Auto OEM (Competitive class)
Junior 5 to U9 years
50cc Auto and Semi Auto OEM (Non Competitive
class)
Open (Senior)
451cc to 700cc 4 stroke
351cc to 550cc 2 stroke
Race together
Pro450 (Senior)
450cc 4 stroke
350cc 2 stroke
Race together
Junior 12 to 15 years
300cc 4 stroke Comp
200cc 2 stroke Comp
Race together
Junior 9 to U13 years
125cc 4 stroke Comp
90cc 2 stroke Comp
Race together
Junior 7 to 10 years
110cc 4 stroke Limited
90cc 2 stroke Limited
Race together
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Junior 9 to 12 years
110cc 4 stroke Limited
90cc 2 stroke Limited
Race together
Junior 7 to 9 years
50cc auto & semi auto
Limited
Competition class
Junior 5 to U9 years
50cc auto & semi auto
Limited
Non competition class
*Zero Tolerance
22.6.5 Quads- Enduro/Cross Country, Desert
Classes
ENDURO/CROSS COUNTRY. DESERT ONLY
Up to 850cc 2WD/4WD
Womans Up to 850cc 2WD/4WD
22.6.6 Junior Age Groups
22.6.6.1 Subject to the next sub rule and GCR
12.16.0.1, no person who:
a) Has attained the age of 16 years, or
b) Is unable to right their machine may
compete in any junior competition.
c) No person who: When standing
on the machine has less than
75mm clearance between the
machine seat and the seat of their
pants may compete in any junior
competition. Raised footboards or
footrests are allowed in “Limited�
junior classes.
22.6.6.2 No junior who has attained the age of 9
years may participate on a 50cc machine.
22.6.6.3 Junior competitors in the following age
groups may compete in the corresponding
classes:
AGE RANGE CLASS(ES)
5 to under 9 years 50cc non-competition mini-
Limited Standard
7 to under 9 years 50cc Auto or Semi Auto
Limited Standard.
7 to under 10 yrs
up to 90cc 2-stroke or and
110cc 4-stroke Limited
Standard.
9 to under 13 yrs
up to 90cc 2-stroke or and
110cc 4-stroke Limited
Standard.
9 to under 13 yrs
up to 90cc 2-stroke or and
110cc 125cc 4-stroke - Comp
Modified.
12 to under 16 yrs
up to 200cc 2-stroke or and
300cc 4-stroke.- Comp
Modified
15 to under 16 yrs
up to 200cc water cooled
2-stroke Modified or 300cc
water cooled 4-stroke Modified
22.6.7 Quads - Sand Drags classes (off road)
Pro450
Up to 850cc
Outlaw (see specifications)
Note: Pro450 and Up to 850cc may be
run and scored together
Outlaw (experimental) specs.
Displacement not limited but machine
must be fitted with a motorcycle based
engine. Nerf bars should be fitted to
cover any exposed foot pegs. They
should be able to catch the foot from
hitting the ground if it slips forward
or back, and surround the end of the
foot peg to protect the racer from a
potentual puncture injury in the event
of a roll over. A closed loop design with
no open ended tubing must be used.
T rack Standards
Track length 91.5m (300ft or 100yds)
with minimum 200m straight line
distance of clear run down, not
immediately further disadvantaged by
solid objects such as large trees, etc.
(Safety fence, undergrowth or Sand
mounds permitted). Only 2 racers can
be raced together and they must be
separated by a minimum distance of
4 meters at the start. Spectators must
view from behind a marked line 5m
from the nearest racing lane at the
start end, tapering to 10m at the finish
end. Spectators must only view from
one side of the track that must be on
the opposite side to the seperate track
return chute. This return chute must
be minimum 10m from the nearest
racing lane.
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22.6.8 Quads - Hill Climb classes
Pro450
Up to 850cc
22.7 C ompetition Rules - quads
22.7.1 Starting
22.7.1.1 Unless otherwise determined in the SR,
massed starts must be used.
22.7.1.2 The order and position of each competitor
will be at the discretion of the Promoter and
will be determined on the day of the event.
22.7.1.3 The starting grid for all events will:
a) Have not less than 2 metre space for
each quad,
b) Be in a straight line,
c) Allow for no more than 20
competitors.
22.7.1.4 The maximum number of starters must be
specified in SR.
22.7.1.5 Unless otherwise determined in the SR:
a) All competitors must be called to the
start line at least 2 minutes before
each start,
b) At the end of the 2 minutes, and
when the starter is ready, the starter
will hold up a 30 second sign for a
full 30 seconds,
c) At the end of 30 seconds a 5 second
sign will be displayed,
d) The gate will drop between 5 and 10
seconds after the 5 second sign is
shown.
22.7.2 Finishing
22.7.2.1 The finish line must be:
a) Marked with a flexible post at each
side of the track,

what is in red has been deleted
what is in green?
b) Clearly visible to the judge.
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Suzuki 450 LTR
Ktm 505
Thanks to
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Piston Energy Drinks
Queensland Quad Riders Association

Last edited by ddingo on Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:16 pm; edited 1 time in total

[scottydig]

Hi,
Finally our junior riders will be able to ride quads with some real performance.
Instead of taking a stock engine and spending a small fortune to get a little bit of performance which in turn can create reliability issues.
They can now take a stock factory built engine [yz250f] that has 35 + horsepower and get unbelievable performance with reliability as well.
In the 90-125cc "comp" class you can now fit a 125cc thumpster motor with roller cams and 4valve heads to a trx90 .These engines put out 16hp.The same as a stock raptor 250. Or a ktm 85cc 2 stroke.
For those people who think that this is bad ;there are still OEM classes to race in.
thanks scotty
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[Todd 127]

My heads spinning on all the different ideas I've come up with already !

I can only see advantages myself, unless you sell pro sharks, then you would be kinda of pissed.

[ddingo]

a wr 250 for my rapator or a yzf tough question?
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LIFE SHORT PLAY HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suzuki 450 LTR
Ktm 505
Thanks to
East Coast Power Sport
Piston Energy Drinks
Queensland Quad Riders Association