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[Dino]

I just chanced upon this document while checking out other stuff...

http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p02073aa.pdf

But the relevant bits are.......

Proposed regulations under the Recreation Areas Management Act 2006: Consultation document
Available from Price
Online (PDF, 863 kB)* Free

Date published:
1 March 2007


Last updated: 15 February 2010


Please note the following
Page 5 section 5
Page 8 sections 13-16
Page 9 section 17
Page 13 sections 40-42 ( Section 235 of the new act refers to where...)

Proposed fees.................... Appendix A
Proposed Penalties............. Appendix B

The sad bit is page..... 2. Submissions closed today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm guessing but....
Next is final EPA amendments, if any followed by introduction to parliment to get made into law.

We may, FINALLY, have some clear direction about what, where and how quad bikes AND trikes can be ridden within the EPA's considerable control in Qld.
Unfortunately I saw no mention of buggies..........
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[Dazz]

racers dont care about this stuff .......

[scottydig]

Hey Dazz,

Racers do care about this stuff as racers are riders too. Availabilty of track time is very limited and getting on your bike and going for a ride in the bush is the perfect way to hone you skills and to get abit of fresh air.And if its "legal" then all the better.
Your continued segregation and for want of a better word "slagging" of riders who like to race is starting to wear a little thin to the point of almost becoming offensive.
Currently places to ride legally are limited and even more so for our kids.
Getting our kids onto a motocross track will only broaden their skills and open up riding oportunities closer to city for them.
The "R" in QQRA stands for riders not racers and most of the members are there for the social riding.Racing is just one aspect of the club.
We are all on the same page i.e. we all ride quads !!!
Going out and having a ride is what its all about ;no matter what discipline of quad riding you persue.

thanks scotty.
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[Dazz]

Yer i see where your coming from scotty .. but someone must stir the pot too ... i would love to see more racing mouths having a say in matters like this so would the government ,councils and the planning departments

you say your sick of me slagging you guys off like saying stuff like racers don’t care most of the time the truth is they just don’t and its people like us that actually get "profanity removed" happening in actual fact ive only seen you and maybe 1 or 2 others that have actually had something to say in these matters and on both occasions it was because of intimidation from the members of the public forum level im sorry but thats what ive seen maybe i have blinkers on or tunnel vision i dont know what ii do know is i call it how i see it.

We cant see what others have privately posted or emailed to the powers that be and we are not physic enough to read minds so if you don’t post somewhere like here for all to see then we don’t know what the hell has been done ,said or intend to do in other words how the hell can you have the greatest backing from the quad riders community if you’re not letting the left hand know what right hand is doing .....

Sorry to offend you scotty and anyone else who feels the same as scotty but.... if you speak up a bit more on matters that concern all of us you will find people like me will take the back seat a lot more until then thanks dino for bringing this to light of us unenlightened ones you’re a champion of the community.

I know you do a lot for the quad industry on a personal level scotty but In the end we are all on the same team mate its just some of us have bigger mouths than others and you know how it works with matters like this the squeaky wheel always gets the grease .

By the way the same group driving the bus for the new public ride park are the same ones controlling the actual rail trails how many have asked for assistance to secure some of those trails nationally for us quad riders why would anyone bother with all the hassle just let someone else do the work right kick back and dream about the air under the quad "profanity removed" did I raise a few more hairs on the back of some ones neck?

any way if you get sick of running round in circles come for a ride with us ....

Last edited by Dazz on Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:35 am; edited 2 times in total

[Dazz]

jud a suggestion ....

would be good to have a AQRA Forum where all the quad riders associations gather to mention stuff they might or might not be doing .....

oz atv might just do that for us hey....

[shan660]

vote 1 dazz for PM,

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Good one yer Dino. Love your work mate.
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[NeKeleC]

Yea lets vote for the one who claims he supports the voice of all quad riders for riding around the south east qld area all hail Dazz

It because of people like Dazz that go riding down near the coomara train station on weekends NEAR HOUSES that we are loosing more and more riding areas it's because of peolpe like Dazz that annoy people in these houses that they complain and one complaint from these people in the houses is all it takes to have a track shut down look at reedy creek it's one old man that lives across the road that causes all the grief that they get. Yea lets hail good ol Dazz who wants to spend dollars on his 700cc quad so it got more power so he can ride illegally on trails but won't take his kids to a track so they can gain valuable knowledge and meet other kids you know the thing they call socialising with other kids cause it costs money, bet your still not a member of the qqra are ya Dazz but yea you support quad riding.

I sorry Dazz "i'm just stirring the pot" we're getting sick of you sayig everyone is doing nothing unless they post it on a forum. some people have better things to do than post on forums and it's because of the idiots that ride down streets, in areas around houses and generally places they shouldn't that's right "illegally" that we are all losing our riding areas.

Maybe I've got you all wrong Dazz maybe you've got your bikes conditionally registered and you only go riding in areas legally and you are a member of a the qqra???

And yea i race and i do give a stuff about these issues.

Also i would like to thank Dino as well for getting the knowledge out there
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Dazz wrote:

Yer i see where your coming from scotty .. but someone must stir the pot too ... i would love to see more racing mouths having a say in matters like this so would the government ,councils and the planning departments you say your sick of me slagging you guys off like saying stuff like racers don’t care most of the time the truth is they just don’t and its people like us that actually get "profanity removed" happening in actual fact ive only seen you and maybe 1 or 2 others that have actually had something to say in these matters and on both occasions it was because of intimidation from the members of the public forum level im sorry but thats what ive seen maybe i have blinkers on or tunnel vision i dont know what ii do know is i call it how i see it. We cant see what others have privately posted or emailed to the powers that be and we are not physic enough to read minds so if you don’t post somewhere like here for all to see then we don’t know what the hell has been done ,said or intend to do in other words how the hell can you have the greatest backing from the quad riders community if you’re not letting the left hand know what right hand is doing ..... Sorry to offend you scotty and anyone else who feels the same as scotty but.... if you speak up a bit more on matters that concern all of us you will find people like me will take the back seat a lot more until then thanks dino for bringing this to light of us unenlightened ones you’re a champion of the community. I know you do a lot for the quad industry on a personal level scotty but In the end we are all on the same team mate its just some of us have bigger mouths than others and you know how it works with matters like this the squeaky wheel always gets the grease . By the way the same group driving the bus for the new public ride park are the same ones controlling the actual rail trails how many have asked for assistance to secure some of those trails nationally for us quad riders why would anyone bother with all the hassle just let someone else do the work right kick back and dream about the air under the quad "profanity removed" did I raise a few more hairs on the back of some ones neck? any way if you get sick of running round in circles come for a ride with us ....

I agree squeak squeak most of the time you have to do what you have just done in-order to get a decent response from any one on the forum
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[Dazz]

NeKeleC wrote:

Yea lets vote for the one who claims he supports the voice of all quad riders for riding around the south east qld area all hail Dazz It because of people like Dazz that go riding down near the coomara train station on weekends NEAR HOUSES that we are loosing more and more riding areas it's because of peolpe like Dazz that annoy people in these houses that they complain and one complaint from these people in the houses is all it takes to have a track shut down look at reedy creek it's one old man that lives across the road that causes all the grief that they get. Yea lets hail good ol Dazz who wants to spend dollars on his 700cc quad so it got more power so he can ride illegally on trails but won't take his kids to a track so they can gain valuable knowledge and meet other kids you know the thing they call socialising with other kids cause it costs money, bet your still not a member of the qqra are ya Dazz but yea you support quad riding. I sorry Dazz "i'm just stirring the pot" we're getting sick of you sayig everyone is doing nothing unless they post it on a forum. some people have better things to do than post on forums and it's because of the idiots that ride down streets, in areas around houses and generally places they shouldn't that's right "illegally" that we are all losing our riding areas. Maybe I've got you all wrong Dazz maybe you've got your bikes conditionally registered and you only go riding in areas legally and you are a member of a the qqra??? And yea i race and i do give a stuff about these issues. Also i would like to thank Dino as well for getting the knowledge out there

good stuff now get off that soap box and then there will be 2 of you that give a rats ass at this rate there will be a club of you, then we will see some action hey for legal trails to ride on i bet..

also i just want to point out .... My children dont like motorcross and im pretty sure there was a good turn out of kids on quads on sunday for them to socialise with ... so can you realy see 3-4 year olds ripping arround a mx track and taking direction ?

and as for coomera its a bloody great spot for the kids it dosent cost us $300 a week..there are no idiots trying to run them over on a track . and no one trying to convice them that racing is the better choice over exploring the bush .. dont be thinking i have it in for racing or racers you have your place we have ours.

infact at coomera last weekend it was almost like the gold coast quad riders assocation as there was so many quads there they could have used your insight into things if you had spoken up that is . i cant see how your trying to help the qqra here or get new members up i allways tell people its a great thing is that how your trying to voice yourself ?

so who you been talking to or have you just been sitting on ya fingas keepinmg them warm for the beer, keyboard and me?

Just one more thing what the hell does my quad and what i spend on it have to do with any of this, are you jealous of it or somthing you know its just a stock quad with some nice stickers it so is my wifes although she has a bit more stuff on it but those are no where near as much cost as the 3 kids quads that have been replaced pretty much each year with the money we have saved ... i dont get it where are you trying to come from ?

sorry to hijack your post dino ....

[shan660]

NeKeleC wrote:

Yea lets vote for the one who claims he supports the voice of all quad riders for riding around the south east qld area all hail Dazz It because of people like Dazz that go riding down near the coomara train station on weekends NEAR HOUSES that we are loosing more and more riding areas it's because of peolpe like Dazz that annoy people in these houses that they complain and one complaint from these people in the houses is all it takes to have a track shut down look at reedy creek it's one old man that lives across the road that causes all the grief that they get. Yea lets hail good ol Dazz who wants to spend dollars on his 700cc quad so it got more power so he can ride illegally on trails but won't take his kids to a track so they can gain valuable knowledge and meet other kids you know the thing they call socialising with other kids cause it costs money, bet your still not a member of the qqra are ya Dazz but yea you support quad riding. I sorry Dazz "i'm just stirring the pot" we're getting sick of you sayig everyone is doing nothing unless they post it on a forum. some people have better things to do than post on forums and it's because of the idiots that ride down streets, in areas around houses and generally places they shouldn't that's right "illegally" that we are all losing our riding areas. Maybe I've got you all wrong Dazz maybe you've got your bikes conditionally registered and you only go riding in areas legally and you are a member of a the qqra??? And yea i race and i do give a stuff about these issues. Also i would like to thank Dino as well for getting the knowledge out there

sorry dino for stealing your thread but i feel it was already done by some one elses opinion of a decent family bloke looking out for his family.
this forum shits me in the way , that people can come on and argue about something other than the topic at hand, this had nothing to do with dazz as a person, but as us quad riders as a whole , instead of arguing we should be backing each other up and get these issues sorted for all quad riders.
as for the go about coomera, mate the only ones that have wrecked it for us, isnt us riding the quads ( already have spoken to the police, who have no problem being there) is the idiots that ride up and down on the roads, on unregistered bikes wearing no helmets or safety gear, drinking and making a complete fool of them selves.
we have been riding here for years and will continue to do so.
our kids are young and do not liked to be dragged all around the country side to ride there quads.
our lives dont revolve around quads we have a life during the week as well. our riding is a way we as a family can relax and enjoy riding trails in the bush, all our kids are very smart riders and know what they cant do , or cant go. all our kids have all the safety gear that we can buy for them to protect them from the elements, and they are always supervised.
also i dont think you should single dazz out because recently we have been by other members of this forum also, Sean, gazman and preditor, are these guys to blame as well.
as for the tracks getting closed down , speak to the council, they will tell you that there is such a thing as urbanisation. you build houses near a track you get complaints, and this is what has happened at all these places, not our fault at all.
the reason dazz wanted to ruffle a few feathers was to get you guys thinking like us and as a group try and get this wyralong park to happen for all to enjoy, but he cant do it on his own and you guys seem to have a bit more influence being such a big group as you are.
i too have thought about becoming a member ( through my mate dan who is also the qqra president ) but i dont think i could attend any events, so therefor cant see how this would beneift me , i work 66 hour weeks and my time on the weekends with my family is very important, hence why we ride as a family at coomera, its 15 mins down the road the kids dont get tired travelling so therefore they enjoy it more, isnt this whats its all about.
feel free to meet us in person at coomera, come and see what we are about.

[lukeb]

Pretty sure the QQRA guys and girls run more family ride days ( Manar Park ) a year than what they do MX races which is about 5 to 1 or something like that, i must say personally i prefer riding with friends in the bush or at a ride park ( manar/blackduck ) than racing all the time, there is some people out there that wouldnt care if it was MX, Trail or a free quad being given away they wouldnt turn up just because thats the way they are which is fine ( not pointing at anyone just meaning its the same in all hobbys/sports ) we are all different people and have different thoughts its just the way it is but we should at least keep the personal insults to a more appropiate time and maybe try helping each other with getting quads accepted and growing the sport ( not racing just quad riding in general ) anyway im going back to having fun now spending to much time on this computer thing can be bad for your health
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[Dazz]

Nicely put luke....

[NeKeleC]

Well said also Luke people are very different which is why i reacted to Dazz's comments "racers don't care about this stuff" is like saying all kids are trouble makers, some are most aren't!!!

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already have spoken to the police, who have no problem being there) is the idiots that ride up and down on the roads, on unregistered bikes wearing no helmets or safety gear, drinking and making a complete fool of them selves. we have been riding here for years and will continue to do so

this may be so but have the police given you a letter saying this is the case as from what i understand of the law is if you ride on public property unregistered you are breaking the law, whether a coppa turns a blind eye or not it is still illegal!!!
As for me attacking a decent family man i didn't attack his way of life or what he does with his family i just disagreed with the way he was tarnishing all us racers with the same brush and judging what we were or were not doing.
Shan660 everyone is busy in life you say you don't see the benifit in supporting the quad club well gov looks at demographics including club membership numbers of various clubs in an area if a quad club doesn't exist or only has a handfull of numbers they won't take the needs of that club into consideration if a club is strong and it has a voice then it will be heard when it comes to these types of issues you guys need the club as much as we need people like Dazz for our voice to be heard.
Yes thats right i did say we need people like Dazz but we need people like Dazz to be smarter with his words so people like me who are just as passionate about the sport will stand beside him and support him like I did with sending an email to the minister when Dazz and Dino brought these issues up and this is where people such as yourselves should support the local clubs so they can support you, without the clubs there will be no riding areas!!! $100 a year for a family for qqra is not much to help to protect a sport you love so much!

Dazz as for where i'm coming from i get angry at idiots who ride where they shoudn't which results in where i can ride legally is getting less and less!!! i support the sport at all levels and have done all my life whether it's trail riding or racing, your comments about racers and comments about clubs being overpriced is where you fail to see the big picture!!! Whether or not you want to or can't spend the money doing the club stuff is up to you just don't be bagging out the clubs or people that help protect the sport that you say you love and support!!

And yes sorry dino for hijacking your thread a little bit well maybe a lot i'll get off the soap box now!

As for the original pole/topic it is only going to get worse if you read the document the main points are getting money out of people for riding in these areas and making people wear safety gear.
I fail to understand why people would put their lives at risk by not wearing a helmet at all times while riding a motorbike/quad anyway, and the gov is only going ask for more and more money where they get a chance for everything not just motorbike riding! Take a look at the recent issues with the jet ski's same thing they are looking at enforcing helmets there too and yearly testing for boat/ski licenses it turns over a buck and keeps people enployed. It only takes a few idiots to spoil it for everyone (this also means the idiots in parliment). "stepping down off the soap box again"
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[Dino]

Hey Guys, don't worry about hijacking the thread. .........

Some things have been said that probably needed to be said.
And a bit of it got personal or got taken that way. Done and dusted.

I'm not taking sides, but there was obvious agreement on a couple of points...
We all need to apply pressure to the right people in Govt.
And we need to behave appropiately, both in public and on the net.

Whether as QQRA club members or a bunch of mates having a social trail ride, if we can share the knowledge we can share the battle.

This forum is a easy way of passing that knowlege around. And I do mean knowledge, not hearsay and rumours.

What started this thread was a chance find by me. It goes a long way to balancing the results of the legislation that was introduced in Oct. last year. And typically of our Govt, it's very much a user pays system.


It's also damned easy to say or show a "attitude" on this forum that puts us all in a bad light. Maybe keep that in mind. There is a lot of great photo's and footage NOT posted because people don't need the "attitude police" scrutinising our past-time. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones is the saying........
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[Dazz]

just got a call from the ministers dept for sport rec and child saftey

they say my ideas were well recived for a "family ride park" how totaly thrilling for me seems they musta heard me squeeking ...

squeek squeek

[shan660]

i didnt explain the police thing to well as i had a bit to get off my chest, lol
basically we were riding as a family in coomera on a vacant land at the end of the estate which backs on to bush land which we ride reguarly. some idiots started riding up and down the streets with no helmets and so forth.
the police arrived gave them a court note (they were seriously in the "profanity removed")
while the cops were doing this pannic stations set in we couldnt load our bikes quick enough.
we were then approached by the two police officers (this is when we were shitting ourselves, basically they said, where we were riding , it was private property and unless we ride on the road , they have no problem with us being there, they only act on complaints, and the only thing they could do if this happened , was tell us to move on , there are no signs up saying no riding so there was no problem for us to be there.
hence which is why we ride here.

[gazman]

If the guvment listen to clubs etc,can we see what the clubs have submitted to the guvment.i have sent 5 emails.not making trouble or anything ,but i still see nothing on the qqra website about writing to mr reeves. has qqra used it numbers of club members to approach the guvment and advise them of their members needs?
gazman

[gazman]

QQRA? squeak ,squeak

[NeKeleC]

where's your seqqra squeak, squeak i think we're all sick of hearing the squeaks thinking about buying a cat
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[Dino]

In one corner there is the QldQRA.
In the other is the break out crew calling themselves the SEQQR.
Hey BOTH GROUPS!........and all the people "sandbagging".....

If your active members want a social club, that's what they'll support.
If your expectations go beyond that to a union or a political lobby group, maybe put your efforts into forming one,
OR become a ACTIVE member of group that has the tools IN PLACE to provide those things.
If you guys really want change, maybe do it yourselves.
You'll be waiting a lomg time for someone else to do it for you.......
ANY group has a very small percentage of workers who organise and push stuff along.
The rest are along for the ride..........
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[gazman]

I'm over it.Thats the end of it for me.
gazman

[NeKeleC]

geez gazman you gave up pretty easy

This is where people need to stop pointing fingers just because it isn't posted all over this forum, any other forum or a main title heading on the qqra website doesn't mean nothing is getting done. Things are being done it's just that people don't need to "report back" to a few people on this forum that demand to be notified.
At the end of the day these changes to the riding and camping areas (as per original post) were done without public consultation and will continue to be done this way whether we like it or not as it all comes down to money. They charge more for people to use areas and put rules in place so they can fine you if you break them making more money the gov will never change this way of thinking people just need to get used to the fact that they are goig to pay more and more for everything forever!!!

Cheer up your electricity bill goes up next quarter they announed it on the radio this morning!!! Have a nice day
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[Dingo555]

Hardly fair picking on the QQRA in this situation. Why should a club that supports all of Queensland spend it resources concentrating on lobbying for 1 venue in 1 small area just to satisfy people who are not even interested in being part of the club. The club currently supports riding in all forms (moto-x, flat track, 4 x 4, trails, recreational and has an upcoming enduro event) at current available legal venues. Larger numbers are the key to pushing our cause. A handful of people fighting for 1 tiny portion of riding area in our massive state is never going to happen. The QQRA is about promoting all riding in ALL Queensland. People travel up to 1000km to attend their organised social rides so that must say something about the people involved. As for the expense....this is motorsport it's expensive, I have 3 race quads for my family and we are by no means well off and we make a lot of sacrifices to be involved in our chosen sport (my daughter paid for her own quad with her after school job).
Do you know that by being part of the club the resources you then have available at your disposal for organising your own legal events. Like any club the achievments are only limited by the amount of people willing to help. Dan and the team focus their energies on bringing as many quad riders from as far as possible to 1 spot for a few days, some of which have been absolute highlights of my familys riding time together.
Sure, I realise this can't happen every weekend, I only get to a couple of their events each year due to distance, but these weekends are essential to build our numbers and our voice. Here in Central Queensland 4 years ago we had 1 race available for the year and excluded from practically all riding areas. This year we have a bare minimum of 12 moto-x races (within a 400km radius) and that doesn't include club days, have clubs such as Speedway and off road car clubs insisting on our involvement. Here in Moranbah a group of us got together, chipped in and leased a block of land for $1000/year which now 40-50 quads use on a regular basis. Yes I hear you say "I don't want to race" however the racing numbers are very important, again for that united voice. This didn't happen without lots of behind the scene work and supporting the grids as well (last race in Middlemount this year we had 28 quads to the grid and already they are talking about expanding the classes for next year).
So instead of bagging the QQRA how about joining for a year, get involved and I think you could be pleasantly surprised on just how much people are willing to help.
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[NeKeleC]

Dingo i couldn't have put it better myself well said.

These guys are ok though they have their own club the seqqra and they organise rides in illegal spots nearly every weekend you can join their club costs nothing and they stick together until the police turn up then it's every man for himself.
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