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[Huskygoat]

These are the best to what we can come up with some common sense Mods. Personally I like bone stock but we do break and bend stuff all the time and aim is low cost racing.

I asked the other state bodies to consider and accept these rules as a National format so we can build a new entrant class . I will email a letter to each body asking for consensus.

Huskygoat

Graham Murray

President TQA

PRODUCTION
Factory standard championship class, modifications as listed below only.
Choice of tyre in OEM size (all dimensions).
Choice of all fluids (fuel to 98ron pulp)
Choice of spring rates to suit rider body weight in same design as factory standard spring with same number of parts.
Choice of handle grips and conversion to twist grip if necessary (otherwise original thumb throttle must be used).
Strictly no modification that might be seen to alter engine power output or noise levels (eg. exhaust baffles in, airbox lid on).
In cases where the following standard equipment on the bike is rendered unservicable during use:
Allowance for non standard rim replacement with commonly commercially available closest to identical to OEM fitment and material. No reversing of rims is permitted.
Allowance for non-standard handle bar replacement with commonly commercially available closest to identical OEM fitment.
(all other GCR limitations apply)
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[bullet]

i'll race to that
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[Hudson]

Good work Husky I hope it all goes great and brings some new guys into the club up there
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[hustleratv.com.au]

Hi Husky,

good work so far, just few questions.


1) this new production class is to entice the first timer (new rider) that would not normaly race due to the costs and there mx experience ?


2) If yes above ,then experienced riders would not be able to entre this class?

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[Huskygoat]

Q1 yes that is where I'm coming from.


Q2 Pro' A B what ever you want to call them would not be in the spirit of this class. I suppose if a experienced rider wanted to pull back on the amount of money he puts into racing this would be for him as well . Instead of him dropping out completely. That was something we though about is next year with economic forecast . The Aussie dollar down. I think its just alot easier to buy a stock quad and have some fun racing.
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[hustleratv.com.au]

Thanks husky
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[OZ_450]

everything is standard why have the shocks allowed to mod ? ( u have choice of spring rates ) make it stock springs and no revalving i raced all year on sotck shocks with factory settings ( never changed em at all ) and if i anyone should be able to
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[HoleshotQR#24]

the poll in another thread on this is 60/40 in favour of allowing a slip-on or de-restricted exhaust over bone stock. I wonder why we'd ignore what most people (at least on this forum) are telling us they'd favour??? I'm assuming the votes have come mostly from people interested in entering such a class
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[Huskygoat]

OZ just looking out for the fat guy . nothing else

Holeshot just the cost of exhausts and keeping the speed and noise down a bit. still plenty of fun to be had.
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HoleshotQR#24 wrote:

the poll in another thread on this is 60/40 in favour of allowing a slip-on or de-restricted exhaust over bone stock. I wonder why we'd ignore what most people (at least on this forum) are telling us they'd favour??? I'm assuming the votes have come mostly from people interested in entering such a class

Howdy Holeshot,

53 people voted in the poll to give us the 60 / 40 split.
A lot of really good points came up and made consideration.
the fact is only 5 people in the country race this class.
I've spoken to Husky and he has very cleverly not aimed this class at existing riders and racers of other existing classes.
Its all about attracting all the people not on this forum.
People who have little experience but buy a new quad and have a look over the fence at racing.
To be honest we are hoping the fast guys get bored with stock quads and move out to pump up numbers in other classes.
Even if they don't we should be able to use the 'manufacturer' competition to maybe attract new factory support and money to the sport.

Remember your first MX race... Did it go something like...

The 5 second board popped up at all of a sudden I could not hear my bike running because of the bikes either side of me.
I though great, i'm crapping myself and the gates have not dropped yet.
I can't remember if I selected 1st or 2nd gear now.
Bang, dam, the've all gone.
Coming into the holeshot corner and the pack in front back off.
For the first time i hear my own engine to discover I'm still bouncing off the rev limiter in second gear
(actually that was pretty much how my second MX race went, I think I stalled it on the line in my first one )

This new production class should at least sound a bit different.
That alone will add a point of interest to what we do.
And I hope it helps out the new guys.
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[cowchaser]

Your all still totaly ignoring that fact the the new guys will most likely have a 2nd hand quad with the basics that will exclude him from your class, thats why we origanaly allowed slip ons. If you tell him he has to go and buy a stocky (and jet it for the pipe and lid) he will most likely tell you to get stuffed and head back to the bush. It's not like its a rule that you have to have a slip on
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[bullet]

None of these bushies enter the current Production class because it is faster than Clubman and Expert.
Most production guys have at least one newish bike if not two.

We're trying to change all that, and bring a whole new range of positives too
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[PeteW]

and once again we start the argument of who the production class is for.....

if it's supposed to be for new comers where is the incentive for any of the manufacturers to back it? also for new guys smittys argument is pretty sound, how many are likley to be an a 2nd hand quad, probably brought from a racer when they've updated and it already has bars and a slip on and been jetted.....
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[OZ_450]

pretty simple why production class was faster at nats and vics then clubman and experts .......... roycroft races pro class and the guy who got 2nd races experts

thats like putting smitty or cam wade on mine in clubmen and
wondering why clubmen times would be faster then expert

just for record bullet we had popey and keegs race with clubmen at bluerock popey was in front for 1.5 laps of last race then got passed


the guys who raced production this year were all either expert class riders or from pro class with the exception of keegs

......... and husky i am not a small guy either and neither is rick beer i i dont think ricks has had much done to it well one he rode at warrny hadnt thats for sure
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[Huskygoat]

Pete W the Manufactures will support this class ..

There is no pressure for anyone to change there rules Smithy. If you guys want to keep your current rules keep them. I have been to the Shops Yesterday and TQA is doing up a starter pack for new quad owners. How did Vic Market production class? NSW SA NT WA all seem happy with this so far. QLD?? VIC by your comments not likely but thats fine.

OZ you could probably throw the spring rate away . New guys seem to bottom out more than the rest of us. 98% of riders wouldn't bother.
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[bullet]

You are only talking about opposition from 2 or 3 Vics Husky.
and that's 2 or 3 Vics that don't race the class anyway.
The only Vic that does race Prody will be on a brand new bike next year so the rules will suit.

Husky, I would not mind a copy of that 'new quad MX starter pack' concept.
I'm sure QRSA will support a starter pack idea, and I will drag it around SA shops as well as talk to Can-Am who I know are already interested in supporting it.
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[PeteW]

bullet wrote:

You are only talking about opposition from 2 or 3 Vics Husky.

thats 2 or 3 vic on the forum B, not the Committee of the QRCV.

given that this has not gone before the club officially then there is not much chance of an official answer for VIC.
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PeteW wrote:

bullet wrote: You are only talking about opposition from 2 or 3 Vics Husky. thats 2 or 3 vic on the forum B, not the Committee of the QRCV. given that this has not gone before the club officially then there is not much chance of an official answer for VIC.

I hope the QRCV committee considers the people who do race this class and the known ones who want to race this class next season, as well as what any other 'new' rider might see.
This proposed National rule will lower Production Class and they have always got Clubman if their old bike has cut plastics or +2 arms etc.
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[HSR]

May I say before this goes anyfurther that if anyone wants the the QRCV to change ,recomend or endorse these proposals for this Production Class then they must present their case to the committeee at a general meeting of the QRCV, where it will be debated and then VOTED on, if a majority rules in favor of the proposal it will be passed or adopted. There have been a number of threads on this subject and the QRCV have been both praised and critisized for having a set of rules under which WE ran the class in Victoria other states adopted these rules either because the only competitors were Victorians or because it was the only set of rules ever published that covered the class, they were written after much debate over their content with the views of all the vested interests of the TIME were taken under consideration not all were happy about the content at the time or the eventual rules as they were passed, but that is democracy and that is the spirit in which they were framed.
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[Huskygoat]

HSR that process goes without saying with all clubs.

I have recieved several Phone calls today about writing a new set of rules set on the basic points that I had originally proposed. I don't think there much point trying to re invent the wheel and I'm no lawyer. The VIC rules is what I will beautify with a NT slant as they do cover everything well. A job well done Thank you VIC. ( just some bits out and put a couple in) Each state can do the same if they like . I'll go first then you can pick on NT for a while
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[HSR]

As I have said before we at the QRCV are more than happy to run under a national set of rules for a Production class if they are in the MOM but until that happens we recognise that all the other states are entitled to be running their own set of rules in their supp regs ( even if they are the Victorian ones ) and that WE HAVE NEVER tried to impose our rules on any one other than competitors at VICTORIAN events ( adoption of the Victorian rules interstate have been done at the discretion of the promotors / SCB`s applicable at the time ) We wish the NT club all the best with their efforts to run this class and certainly have no desire to pick on them or critisize any one or any club for trying to further the cause of racing ATV`s in Australia. But we feel it must be said at this point during this disscussion we have been looked upon in an unfavorable light in the threads dealing with this subject because we HAD rules in place that clearly defined the Production classes that were/are being contested in VICTORIA.
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[Huskygoat]

You blokes are to serious.
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[HSR]

Unfortuately we have to take the rules seriously , but we are only as serious as the situation deems ( really we can be a lot of fun ) .
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[old55]

I find it strange that some people want a production class, yet not permit experienced riders from competing. How can it be given a bike class status, when you want it to be a rider class status. I can't see manufacturers supporting brand new riders. It would be nice if they did, but as all of us know, that doesn't happen.

Let's say, hyperthetically..... I'll just pick a name out of the hat..PAUL SMITH..Yeah he'll do, and he gets the lastest you beaut Fan-Am X, will he be able to compete in this event at your track(huskygoat), and as previously stated, at the 2009 Nationals in SA in the Production class(Mullet)?

BIG DOG

[Huskygoat]

At a club level I would encourage Paul Smith on his wam bang thankya mam X to leave it to the new guys as I have stated before .Not in the spirit of this class. Or any other talented riders. I wouldn't think too many New guys would travell to the Nationals but I would encourage them to do so. At the Nationals ( if I were running them) yes Paul Smith can go hard to support his production brand.on his production quad.
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