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[hammer686]

OK why do we pay 2-3 times more for OEM Jap parts Aus than they do in US?
I know a little about volume discounting etc but can't work out the maths here. even the small dealers in US charging rrp are at least 50% cheaper than here.
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[TasRaptor700]

It is the same with sign writing, at an average cost of say $7sqm, and the guide tells us to sell for $120sqm, add that up....

But have to agree, where does the money go for the parts here, not into customer relations that is for sure....
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[LC4]

What about vehicles, compare a Toyota Hilux (that come out of Thailand) with one in the US and we pay about 40% more.

[TasRaptor700]

I looked at getting stuff through Yamaha and then researched U.S stuff, the same brand, the same model, 3/4 the price, including postage...

Has to be something wrong somewhere, Greedy Government?
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[bigjon]

I posted this a couple of months ago.

bigjon wrote:

Someone is making a killing over here. For example: The SS Commodore will retail for $30k in the States. Over here you wont get any change for $45k. How can you export a car and sell it for less than what it cost in the country of origin. You would understand if they were exporting hundreds of thousands, but there only sending about 30k. We get screwed royally here sometimes. Truth is, were so use to inflated prices we don't think any different.

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[Ozzy450]

because usa has a different taxing system to australia.
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[hammer686]

Ozzy450 wrote:

because usa has a different taxing system to australia.

so the Oz government gets the money? or is US gov subsidizing Jap imports - either way ya gotta feel ripped off.
eg 700r frame in US from 850-1250aud no sales tax if sold out of state
2800-3300 in Oz - someone gets the extra 2k.
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[Oldrodder]

Why can I buy parts for my HD from the states and have them delivered to my door for almost half the price I pay at the local HD dealer and a lot quicker..
Something wrong somewhere?

[HoleshotQR#24]

re the car prices its because we have local car manufacturing which is subsidized to buggery to keep it alive. If we want cheaper cars we're far better not to build them here as we can't do it competitively (because of our higher wage rates), ie mitsubishi. Cars in NZ are much cheaper than here coz there is no local car industry being propped up by govt.

Not sure about the bike parts, but taxes and low volumes would account for a lot of the difference. America is a big market 300mill compared to our 21mill. Certainly not exchange rates at the moment.
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[priesty]

Who gets the money ?

The same mob that take 53c out of every litre of petrol, that's who...
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[John Mags]

Australian min wage? About $15 hour? Free dole money, free health care.

USA min wage. About $6 hour. 20,000 Mexicans crossing the border DAILY to get $4 hour. No Dole, Crap health system and plenty of people sleeping in the streets.

So we pay a little more. I know where I would rather live.
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[4stroker]

yeah i agree with john mags, the stuff is cheaper over there but they dont make as much money as us.

i believe the high prices are two-fold

there is a distributor/importer in each country. the vehicles dont go to the dealers straight from the factory in japan, they come into the country through the importer, eg Yamaha Australia

Yamaha factory sell 40,000 vehicles a year to yamaha USA for $4000 a vehicle (made up numbers) but they sell to yamaha australia for $6000 a vehicle because australia only sells 20,000 a year. also yamaha australia is probably making more profit per vehicle than yamaha USA.
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[BC250R]

Well here is a spanner for your works!

I tried to organize a 10 Buy of PWR radiators for 86 ATC250R. 100% Ozzy made in QLD. Spoke to the man at the factory himself. Said they do have quantity buys and 10 would get the max. Organized it through a mate who is a dealer who was doing it for cost as PWR wouldnt go direct.

The 10 buy dealer cost per radiator in Australia was over $300 dearer than buying 1 out of the US at their retail and having it freighted to my door.

Made in Oz, freighted to US with a mark up. Sold to me with another mark up and freighted back again = $300 cheaper..........................................

Where does that money go?

Out of principal i think PWR can stick it, i"m organising with Aussie Desert Coolers to have a batch made instead.
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http://www.ozatv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4425

[hustleratv.com.au]

bc250r like i said on that fourm be 4, pwr only send the radiators cores to the usa and they get the $4 HR MEXICANS to put them together, pwr here in oz would have to pay a qualified welder to put them together i cant quote what a aussie weilder gets but it would be about $60 hr at least.

i have never been to the usa so i cant comment on there way of life. but john mags has.
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[ashnery]

Imagine how the shop owners feel knowing the products they sell can be bought cheaper on ebay then they can buy it ?
And you think your getting ripped by your local dealer.
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[gammie61]

For example:
The SS Commodore will retail for $30k in the States.
Over here you wont get any change for $45k.
How can you export a car and sell it for less than what it cost in the country of origin. You would understand if they were exporting hundreds of thousands, but there only sending about 30k. We get screwed royally here sometimes. Truth is, were so use to inflated prices we don't think any different.[/quote][/quote]
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[hammer686]

so its becoming clearer now
we pay more so jap motor companies can sell the same product into US
cheaper so all those border jumping Mexicans can afford a quad
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[bigjon]

John Mags wrote:

Australian min wage? About $15 hour? Free dole money, free health care. USA min wage. About $6 hour. 20,000 Mexicans crossing the border DAILY to get $4 hour. No Dole, Crap health system and plenty of people sleeping in the streets. So we pay a little more. I know where I would rather live.

Apart from fast food and hospitality industries I don't know anyone over in the States making $6/hr. I made $10/hr working as a farm hand during uni in the early 90's. The equivalent pay in the US for my occupation is exactly the same.
Mexicans aren't building quads or quad related parts.
No Dole in USA but a huge welfare system. Just as many bludgers there as here. The welfare system in both countries is ridiculous, it only encourages dependency on the government and laziness.
USA spends more per capita on welfare than any other nation.
Health system contrary to Michael More and media is better than most countries.
Plenty of people sleeping on the streets all over this country.

A LITTLE MORE!!!!! We pay ALOT more.

Those excuses aren't valid on why we pay more for everything. I'm not talking about quads specific, I'm talking about everything. Everybody seems to be getting a piece of bigjon's pie and 'I don't like it.'

They say the dollars will be at parity in a couple of months, lets see if it makes any difference. I bet you $1US equivalent it doesn't.

P.S. 20,000 screaming Mexicans daily can't be wrong.
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[Predatory]

If I can buy an item for $150 delivered to my door and my dealer is saying he is getting screwed, then I say this. I want the item, he has two choices. Order direct like I did and make less of a margin but still keep me as a customer or make a bulk order and tell me that its going to take 3 weeks or 3 months( because he is trying to make big margin by consolodating everybody's orders into one shipment) and loose me as a customer. The reality is that he will probably get a better price than me anyway because he is a dealer, so he will still make a better margin. I find many companies will try and force you to use UPS when USPS is just as good, a lot cheaper and only takes 3 days longer to get to me. i wont deal with those companies unless they use USPS and if you press them they relent anyway. They are just to damn lazy to go to the Post Office to post your stuff.
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[yogie]

Here's my 2 bobs worth, need wheel bearings, no biggie. Kwaka have a ccertain type of rear dust seal on them, 3 weeks to have "shipped out here" buy in the states direct, one week, price not that much cheaper, but the service stinks here. And the quicker some of these manufacters wake up to that, the more we will spend our $$ OS.
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[gazman]

I think we pay more because people are prepared to pay more and credit is so easy to get!! I have told guys I can get products for bikes etc made in same factory as brand name(same product without name on)but oohh noo,I'm not buying cheap junk!! They have to brag,feel bigger, that they paid a lot!! go figure.

[hammer686]

bigjon wrote:

A LITTLE MORE!!!!! We pay ALOT more. Those excuses aren't valid on why we pay more for everything. I'm not talking about quads specific, I'm talking about everything. Everybody seems to be getting a piece of bigjon's pie and 'I don't like it.'

+1 bigjon

The Jap manufacturer makes X product & ships to Oz or US subsidury (owned by manufacturer) to distribute. Only difference up to that point can be freight cost, diff tax treatment & overheads of subsidury to distribute.
Now X product comes out Oz subsidury/distributors door 100% dearer than it comes out US distributor door.
Don't think volume discounting to the dealers can explain that difference or that would show between small & big US dealers more.
Does anyone know what Oz/US import tarrifs are?

If ya don't ask questions sometimes crazy things happen like the price of fuel goes up before long weekends & we accept it's because of the normal "discount cycle" - we know who gets that money.
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