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[Roycroft]

700quad wrote:

howde u go from big rock toyota to selln peps must be more people that listen to u about the shocks than the toyotas so that would make one person listening to you now then

len will have a comeback for this, we are waiting len.
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[Roycroft]

just doin it wrote:

Q; Are fox shocks able to be adjusted to suite 2 different riders [weight] For example me at 100kg and then my wife at 60 kg, unlike other shocks they have the spring set-up for a particular weight ?

a more simple answer to your question would be that Fox use air as there spring so you can adjust your spring weight by putting more air in your shock.
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[Todd 127]

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Todd 127 wrote: just doin it wrote: Thanks guys, cleared that up for us. I believe that was the end of the thread Lenny. Look out boys the thread police is in town . Sorry maybe it's just another sponsored racer from Fox city

I always wanted to be a cop !

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Todd 127 wrote:

ATV NRG wrote: Todd 127 wrote: just doin it wrote: Thanks guys, cleared that up for us. I believe that was the end of the thread Lenny. Look out boys the thread police is in town . Sorry maybe it's just another sponsored racer from Fox city I always wanted to be a cop !

Hee hee
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[HST Powersports]

I can feel love in the air roycroft stop drinking them rumbos, Lenny boy u and roycroft should just sleep together and stop meeting like this and make up lol
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[froggy]

HST Powersports wrote:

I can feel love in the air roycroft stop drinking them rumbos, Lenny boy u and roycroft should just sleep together and stop meeting like this and make up lol

Would the bed be inner spring or an air mattress?

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HST Powersports wrote:

I can feel love in the air roycroft stop drinking them rumbos, Lenny boy u and roycroft should just sleep together and stop meeting like this and make up lol

Hey Thomas it's all good , I'll be getting a RZR and we can fight it out on the race track, I'll be changing the shocks tho , bet you can't guess to what ? Hee hee.
It's time for a harness and roll cage I reckon
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[HST Powersports]

Lol a RZR Lenny u changing brands again now u gonna ride Polaris lol I recon u gonna run elkas for sure Lenny boy. What bike u riding this year
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[Roycroft]

rzr best SXS on the planet
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froggy wrote:

HST Powersports wrote: I can feel love in the air roycroft stop drinking them rumbos, Lenny boy u and roycroft should just sleep together and stop meeting like this and make up lol Would the bed be inner spring or an air mattress?

Hahahaha Gold !
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HST Powersports wrote:

Lol a RZR Lenny u changing brands again now u gonna ride Polaris lol I recon u gonna run elkas for sure Lenny boy. What bike u riding this year

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HST Powersports wrote:

Lol a RZR Lenny u changing brands again now u gonna ride Polaris lol I recon u gonna run elkas for sure Lenny boy. What bike u riding this year

I wont be racing quads anymore ( I dont think so anyway)
I feel 27 years is enough! I will support and sponsor Ryan Lancaster, Chris Bosnakis and Shay Walkie in MX and a two Enduro racers to be announced. I am getting Pumped for a bit of SxS action, in a few months. From the spec sheet Polaris look like they have the best SXS on the planet
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[Roycroft]

spot on lenny, we agree for once, from what i have been told about the RSR XP, its in a league of its own for high speed stuff.
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LEN,
YOU ARE ACCURATE IN YOUR EXPLANATION.
PEOPLE JUST DO NOT GRASP THE FUNCTION OF THE ''EXTRA VOLUME'' ( EVOL )
CHAMBER. SOME PEOPLE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE FACTS NO MATTER THE REALITY.
AS FOR DAMPING. AIR IS USED AS SPRING FORCE. ALL AIR SHOCKS CAN BE VARIED
LIKE A COIL SPRING IN RATE BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO MATCH DAMPING VALENCES
TO CONTROL THE SPRING. THERE IS A SWEET SPOT FOR DAMPING TO SPRING.
AN ADJUSTABLE SHOCK HAS AN OPTIMUM NARROW RANGE OF CONTROL. PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE ONE SIZE FITS ALL ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING OF THIS. TRY PUTTING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE SHOCK ON THE ATV OR VICE VERSA AND THEY WILL FIND OUT THAT , YES THEY GET THE AIR PRESSURE TO SIT RIGHT BUT THE DAMPING FEEL IS UNUSABLE. FOX OFFERS THREE DIFFERENT RIDER WEIGHT TO PRESSURE SETTINGS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC WITH 50 POUND ( 22.7 KG ) RANGES.
WE FOUND WITH ANY SHOCK, AIR OR SPRING, THAT FOR OPTIMUM DAMPING PERFORMANCE THE TUNING MUST BE MUCH FINER THAN THAT. THIS WHY WE WE HAVE PLUS OR MINUS 10 POUNDS ( 4.5 KG ) TUNING RANGES FROM THE SPECIFIC RIDER WEIGHT THEY ARE BUILT FOR.
EXAMPLE: A 185 POUND RIDER CAN DAMPING TUNE FROM 175 TO 195 POUNDS
                    (84 KG )                                                    (79.5 TO 88.6 KG )
THE TRIPLE RATE SPRINGS HAVE A PLUS OR MINUS 20 POUND RANGE BUT COME
WITH DETAILED SET-UP TUNING SHEETS FOR EACH SPECIFIC BUILD STATING THE RANGE OF CROSSOVER TUNING. THERE IS SPACE TO GO BEYOND THE CROSSOVER
SETTINGS THEY COME BUILT FOR BUT YOU WILL BE OUT OF OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE RANGE.
WHEN ANY TYPE OF DAMPER IS ADJUSTED, IT IS FOR FINE TUNING WITHIN THAT NARROW RANGE. ADVERSE AFFECTS SUCH AS LOSS OF FORWARD AND TURNING TRACTION AND RIDE QUALITY IF PACKING OR BOTTOMING FROM BLOWING THROUGH OCCURS WHEN ADJUSTED TOO FAR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THIS IS WHY WE ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS ON OUR ORDER BUILD SHEETS.
ALWAYS BE FACTUAL AND ACCURATE. PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT FROM EXPERIENCE.
GOOD JOB LEN!
WAYNE
Managing Director
PEP Suspension
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[Roycroft]

it took you 6 days to get an answer out of PEP, is this what a so called suspension expert has to do everytime he gets bullied, get a note from his dad to explain how life works, and where to put it, great service.

now i guess we have 2 companies doing sales pitches, do you want me to get the CEO of Fox Racing to send me an email so i can have evidence to show that what ever we are talking about works?, i wouldn't be able anyway, as fox have 1000s of people on hand to answer these questions on a daily basis, even in Australia there a a lot of people throughout the dealer network that would be happy to answer a question a customer has and quicker than 6 days i bet.

how about the weekend Len, AMA 1 and 2 rode on fox, PEP 3rd not bad for a set of whoopie cushions hey. bet you they did some pumping to get it right though. (welcome to the technology)
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Roycroft wrote:

it took you 6 days to get an answer out of PEP, is this what a so called suspension expert has to do everytime he gets bullied, get a note from his dad to explain how life works, and where to put it, great service. now i guess we have 2 companies doing sales pitches, do you want me to get the CEO of Fox Racing to send me an email so i can have evidence to show that what ever we are talking about works?, i wouldn't be able anyway, as fox have 1000s of people on hand to answer these questions on a daily basis, even in Australia there a a lot of people throughout the dealer network that would be happy to answer a question a customer has and quicker than 6 days i bet. how about the weekend Len, AMA 1 and 2 rode on fox, PEP 3rd not bad for a set of whoopie cushions hey. bet you they did some pumping to get it right though. (welcome to the technology)

Mick,

Are you serious ?

Too many onions in those Hamburgers will give you Gas and it seems to be coming out the wrong end Mick

You get real answers to a question from the best suspension builder/manufacturer in the world that even Fox appointed to develop their products and then all you complain about is response time to an answer on this forum ?

I don't see any real answers from any Fox experts, apart from Wayne ?

I would suggest you didn't even know people can get offered various rates of Fox Shocks to fine tune dampening ? No because its easier to order something in the middle and spin doctor your way into the market .

I wouldn't expect the FOX CEO to be able to answer these questions because like you he would employ expert Hamburger makers rather than build them himself. Its all about the dollar.

USA : These are factory racers, Canam and Fox pay the big bucks to pay the best racers to ride the products .The Fox shocks are modified Air shocks with internally fitted springs to help them from pitching into corners, something the Evol chamber just cant do by itself an something not offered to you and me .

The third place racer Josh Upperman on PEP is a privateer and whilst PEP supply his suspension through Baldwin he doesn't get Paid to run Honda or PEP.Their is a big difference.

Pump it up Techno Boi


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[Roycroft]

Lol
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Mmmmmmmm, Hamburgers ( Drool Drool)
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[Dingo555]

Mick, serious questions, Lenny is not the only person I have heard mention the dive in corners with fox shocks and nobody on here seems to be denying or defending that statement. As an old fart who will never be able to ride to the limits of my shocks I would probably never notice much difference difference between PEP's and fox. Is the dive thing really an issue? Why are the pro's running springs in their shocks? Is this not an issue in Oz because we don't have the same elite level of riders who can push their shocks to that extreme?
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[Todd 127]

ATV NRG wrote:

Roycroft wrote: it took you 6 days to get an answer out of PEP, is this what a so called suspension expert has to do everytime he gets bullied, get a note from his dad to explain how life works, and where to put it, great service. now i guess we have 2 companies doing sales pitches, do you want me to get the CEO of Fox Racing to send me an email so i can have evidence to show that what ever we are talking about works?, i wouldn't be able anyway, as fox have 1000s of people on hand to answer these questions on a daily basis, even in Australia there a a lot of people throughout the dealer network that would be happy to answer a question a customer has and quicker than 6 days i bet. how about the weekend Len, AMA 1 and 2 rode on fox, PEP 3rd not bad for a set of whoopie cushions hey. bet you they did some pumping to get it right though. (welcome to the technology) Mick, Are you serious ? Too many onions in those Hamburgers will give you Gas and it seems to be coming out the wrong end Mick You get real answers to a question from the best suspension builder/manufacturer in the world that even Fox appointed to develop their products and then all you complain about is response time to an answer on this forum ? I don't see any real answers from any Fox experts, apart from Wayne ? I would suggest you didn't even know people can get offered various rates of Fox Shocks to fine tune dampening ? No because its easier to order something in the middle and spin doctor your way into the market . I wouldn't expect the FOX CEO to be able to answer these questions because like you he would employ expert Hamburger makers rather than build them himself. Its all about the dollar. USA : These are factory racers, Canam and Fox pay the big bucks to pay the best racers to ride the products .The Fox shocks are modified Air shocks with internally fitted springs to help them from pitching into corners, something the Evol chamber just cant do by itself an something not offered to you and me . The third place racer Josh Upperman on PEP is a privateer and whilst PEP supply his suspension through Baldwin he doesn't get Paid to run Honda or PEP.Their is a big difference. Pump it up Techno Boi

I'm amazed on level on bullsh!t, you are prepared to come up with to bag FOX.

I dont claim they are the best and like Dingo said, i'd be lucky to outride standard shocks..... Why would anyone from FOX bother coming onto this site to back up your crap, they would read it and be pi1ssing themselves laughing, they say any publicity is good publicity. I wouldnt buy PEP just the way you go about your business.

I might have a go at your style Len......



I heard Josh Upperman, would win championships as he gets every single holeshot, but he says he's PEP's fade throughout the race and he's quad doesnt respond like it does at the end of the race, as the FOX SHOX seem to work great the for the whole moto, but i'm sponsored by Baldwin, so i cant change brands.

We can all talk bullsh1t, but hey i still speak to a few pro riders, and i know the truth

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Just run the stock shocks and ride slower!
There, problem solved.
You're welcome
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[Roycroft]

Dingo555 wrote:

Mick, serious questions, Lenny is not the only person I have heard mention the dive in corners with fox shocks and nobody on here seems to be denying or defending that statement. As an old fart who will never be able to ride to the limits of my shocks I would probably never notice much difference difference between PEP's and fox. Is the dive thing really an issue? Why are the pro's running springs in their shocks? Is this not an issue in Oz because we don't have the same elite level of riders who can push their shocks to that extreme?

hey dingo, good question. i don't notice it as i can correctly setup the shocks to stop this. more evol psi, i run 160psi in my evol and it can go right up to 300psi so i can't imagine that i would not have enough adjustability in this to eliminate it. i had a dive problem once on a downhill under brakse, i added 4 psi to my evol and it fixed it. you could be correct in saying that in the USA pros might find that they push the limits of the standard off the shelf shocks, but this is why they are factory backed aand they use this data to then put into production. in the Gen 2 Fox evol, we have a bigger EVol air canister that takes more air to compensate for the increased build up.

Lens claim of that the pros in the USA use a 20mm spring in there shocks is correct, as all Fox evols even mine have a spring in there shock, i think it is something to do with toping out or something.

as for roll in the corners, you watch any rider on Fox, slow or fast, pro or sport rider, and you tell me where you see roll. if you see it, it is no differant to any other shock, or there shocks are not setup correctly. a few more PSI and as minimal as 2 psi makes a world of differance.
i would of made 10 guys day in the last few months just by adding 2 psi here and there. and this is no differant to what len would do if his customers could not setup there shocks correctly.
difference is that with Fox you add some PSI for ride height and spring rate. compared to others you change the spring and adjust the spring collar.

Len doesn't understand Fox, as he has never adjusted, or ridden on a set, thats why he has all negetive comments. i bet you if he owned a set he would be very pleased just like you are dingo with your PEP and just like i was with my PEP when i owned them.
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Todd 127 wrote:

ATV NRG wrote: Roycroft wrote: it took you 6 days to get an answer out of PEP, is this what a so called suspension expert has to do everytime he gets bullied, get a note from his dad to explain how life works, and where to put it, great service. now i guess we have 2 companies doing sales pitches, do you want me to get the CEO of Fox Racing to send me an email so i can have evidence to show that what ever we are talking about works?, i wouldn't be able anyway, as fox have 1000s of people on hand to answer these questions on a daily basis, even in Australia there a a lot of people throughout the dealer network that would be happy to answer a question a customer has and quicker than 6 days i bet. how about the weekend Len, AMA 1 and 2 rode on fox, PEP 3rd not bad for a set of whoopie cushions hey. bet you they did some pumping to get it right though. (welcome to the technology) Mick, Are you serious ? Too many onions in those Hamburgers will give you Gas and it seems to be coming out the wrong end Mick You get real answers to a question from the best suspension builder/manufacturer in the world that even Fox appointed to develop their products and then all you complain about is response time to an answer on this forum ? I don't see any real answers from any Fox experts, apart from Wayne ? I would suggest you didn't even know people can get offered various rates of Fox Shocks to fine tune dampening ? No because its easier to order something in the middle and spin doctor your way into the market . I wouldn't expect the FOX CEO to be able to answer these questions because like you he would employ expert Hamburger makers rather than build them himself. Its all about the dollar. USA : These are factory racers, Canam and Fox pay the big bucks to pay the best racers to ride the products .The Fox shocks are modified Air shocks with internally fitted springs to help them from pitching into corners, something the Evol chamber just cant do by itself an something not offered to you and me . The third place racer Josh Upperman on PEP is a privateer and whilst PEP supply his suspension through Baldwin he doesn't get Paid to run Honda or PEP.Their is a big difference. Pump it up Techno Boi I'm amazed on level on bullsh!t, you are prepared to come up with to bag FOX. I dont claim they are the best and like Dingo said, i'd be lucky to outride standard shocks..... Why would anyone from FOX bother coming onto this site to back up your crap, they would read it and be pi1ssing themselves laughing, they say any publicity is good publicity. I wouldnt buy PEP just the way you go about your business. I might have a go at your style Len...... I heard Josh Upperman, would win championships as he gets every single holeshot, but he says he's PEP's fade throughout the race and he's quad doesnt respond like it does at the end of the race, as the FOX SHOX seem to work great the for the whole moto, but i'm sponsored by Baldwin, so i cant change brands. We can all talk bullsh1t, but hey i still speak to a few pro riders, and i know the truth

Hey Todd.

Touchy Touchy !

You come on hear and get all personal to divert the attention from the discussion point at hand. Their is no real substance in what you are saying Todd.

I really cant speak for Dingo but the last time I spoke to him he loves his PEP suspension and the attention he got from the direct from PEP. I guess he wants some real answers to his questions ?

You know a few pro riders, so do I ,that wont fix the inherent problems of an air shock now will it ?

In Lamens terms you can pump them up or down to give a rate like a spring does, however as Wayne said its controlling that with Damping where it gets more complex.

I heard Josh Upperman loves his PEP Suspension and the fact that he is currently the most successful non factory backed Pro Racer in USA . I'm just not sure if he is better than Natalie on anything. It is what it is.

I also heard John Natalie put in expressions of interest to run PEP but PEP wont pay contingency.Fox do and they modify them to suit his ride.

In Europe where no one gets contingency $ to run suspension, PEP win most of the ATV Racing .

Its common knowledge Custom build PEP work better, especially in corners where the race is won. PEP / Fox Dealers will tell you that, just ask them.

My business ? Is my business.

I am not bagging Fox Suspension, they are OK. People are entitled to know a products strengths and weakness. Before I came to this thread 99% of the replies were from Fox owners or Fox Sponsored racers and Scott didn't really get his question answered properly.


No need to get your skirt caught in the chain, if you are happy with your suspension I am happy for you !
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47industries wrote:

Just run the stock shocks and ride slower! There, problem solved. You're welcome Mick@47

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[Dingo555]

47industries wrote:

Just run the stock shocks and ride slower! There, problem solved. You're welcome Mick@47

I run good shocks and ride slower anyway......it's even smoother
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